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First foreign-owned toll road hits Dallas!

Terri Hall, a homeschool mom of nine turned citizen activist, is the founder of the San Antonio Toll Party and Texans Uniting for Reform and Freedom.

http://www.reformandfreedom.org/
http://www.satollparty.com/

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/terrihall/2013/12/first-foreign...

The first foreign-operated toll lanes became fully operational in Dallas over the weekend. Interstate 635 known as the LBJ opened the first 3-mile stretch of the public private partnership toll project to the public on Saturday. The expensive price tag won’t hit commuters immediately, since it opened at a big discount for the first six months as drivers get used to the variable pricing. To use the 3.5-miles of phase one it will cost anywhere from 15 cents up to 95 cents depending on time of day. However, the regular toll rates will cost between 10 cents PER MILE up to 75 PER MILE in peak hours.

During the discounted period, Spain-based Cintra will review driver behavior and trouble spots and make adjustments. You may be asking: why on earth would it take six months for a trial period on a measly 3 miles of highway? Because these toll lanes are plunked into the middle of the freeway and navigating into and out of the lanes will be a tricky proposition.

Congestion tolling or variable pricing involves speed guarantees in the toll lanes. So the toll rates are dynamic and change in real time depending on how many cars are using the toll lanes and how fast those cars are driving. If the privately-operated toll lanes attract too many cars and the speed drops below 50 MPH, then Cintra jacks up the price to purposely knock drivers out of those lanes to guarantee the speed remains at least 50 MPH.

Full article here: http://blog.mysanantonio.com/terrihall/2013/12/first-foreign...

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meekandmild's picture

just don't use the toll road

problem solved

TTC the NWO north south Spainish toll road

That was stopped by fellow Texans. This appears to be the continuation of the NWO Bush TTC now that Bush stooge Perry.

sovereign

Not stopped

READ IT AGAIN then make a new witty response.

I stated that is has not stopped but you just didnt get it.

This appears to be the continuation of the NWO Bush TTC now that Bush stooge Perry.

PLEASE NOTE THE WORD "CONTINUATION? Would you understand that I was saying tha the TTC was never stopped but continued anyway.

BUt you corrected me RIGHT?

sovereign

Must you speak as if

someone pissed in your cheerios? Must suck being absolutely 100% infallible and most definitely beyond correction.

wow

Were you angry when you arrived?

I get it .... you never said, 'stopped'?

Nothing witty about my response. I simply added to yours.

+1 - Just renamed ....

and The Song Remains the Same.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Midtown

...is coming.

That's why they are attempting to mitigate congestion by charging tolls.

And yes, they subsidized midtown development too.

Charging tolls is one way to mitigate congestion, second best to increasing capacity of course, which would be a much better allocation of funds. Increasing capacity is costly and timely, but I-635 has been under construction since I was in the 5th grade. (1995) So, I fail to see what is so efficient about building toll roads in this particular instance.

Le sigh.

so taxpayers paid for the road

and now tax payers get to pay for it again, through tolls, and maintain it through taxes. If a private company buys land and builds its own road under its own dime good. When a private company buys a road the taxpayers paid for and charges the taxpayers for use of their road then somebody is skimming off the top.

I will hope

the owners of this property don't use the same tactic as other Corporations having their policies trump State laws and rights of the citizens.

NOSHEEPLE

Of course they did.

Rick Perry Scam:

http://www.dailypaul.com/307473/rick-perry-on-the-record

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Glenn Beck on the record?

Rick owes him for this term. I wish Alex Jones would make the 'Glenn Beck deception' movie like he was toying with.

Rat Poison

I would LOVE to do one on beck. But it would take pages upon pages:

____

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It is worth Googling the CEO

of this company on wikipedia, and then clicking onto the links within the article.
It is a HUGE tangle of multi national, Global companies.It sickens me.
This is how you are being herded as a nation, to keep you poor, to have no come back when things go wrong (and they will), and to be a profit making machine for the obscenely wealthy.
I wonder if Dallas is an ICLEI city, if it is, drive it out.
http://www.freedomadvocates.org
PS the thing with public private partnerships is, the public (you) carries all the debt, and the private (them), gets all the profit. When the Private crashes and burns, the public are left with the mess.

These Leases add transparency to the road system.

Indiana did this in the north in 2006. The joint venture between Cinta and Macquarie, financed by RBS got the bid. The governor was criticized for "selling off" one of Indiana's highways. With the economic downturn of 2009-2010 and nearly doubling of the toll rates, by 2011 the group was suffering losses.
http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/article_9f320f01-4eed...

If this road is not economically feasible, at least you can see the financial blunders in the losses of the operators rather than burying it in general state finances.

Peak usage premium is a great idea. My brother in Los Angeles, adjusted his work day from 8am-5pm to 10am-7pm to allow him to have an extra 2 hours per day not setting in the typical I-5 traffic.

I think they should change the fares to 16-97 cents...

that will get pennies flowing through the economy again. Increasing demand for pennies will stimulate the zinc mining industry, and the extra time it takes to count out the change will create jobs for the toll workers.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

I doubt on this...

system that you will be allowed to pay cash. Most likely TxTag users only.

I guess I'm not alone

I'll take a foreign owned private road

over a government owned road.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Who enforces the collection of these tolls? You got it,

the STATE does!!

Private corporations in partnership with the government. It is called Facism.

There are devices you can use to cover your plates, or make it impossible for the scanners to read. Use them, and use the toll roads.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

I agree with the beginning of

I agree with the beginning of your post... but advise against that last line... I once saw a vehicle get partially crushed under a giant concrete block which was dropped "automatically" when the driver sped through a toll-booth which was set-up to automatically read the state-issued tag. (I have no idea if the driver had the tag or not, or exactly why the block dropped on his/her vehicle... but I wouldn't want to take a chance with my vehicle or life.)

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

The State took away

money from your paycheck called "taxes" and used that money to build the roads.

Now, you will be taxed again but THIS TIME, "some" of the money goes to a private share holder.

How, in God's Name, is this right/legal/moral/Constitutional/fair?

I think TPTB really are trying to make us act out. And I gotta tell ya, some people are almost there.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

The globalist's endorsement of his running for the republican

nominee just goes to show....

"You can't polish a turd".

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Privately owned roads? I'm in

Privately owned roads? I'm in favor of it!

You're fighting against many statists here.

They want to keep it state operated with low fees, so that all Texans should subsidize the commute of the greater Dallas area dayshift workers.

I would have agreed with you ..............

about private ownership but my question before I agree is to ask who paid for the building of the road. In other words whoever fronted the money for the cost of the construction should be the owner, and the State as we all know never has money of its own to do this, and neither the private company in this "private-public" partnership.

Are you actually suggesting

Are you actually suggesting this company now "owns" the roadway? I sincerely doubt that is the case.

More likely they are splitting profits with the state while they collect the tolls and manage needed maintenance.

The private company does not need to .....

"own" it, all they care for is to control the property. It is better then ownership as they don't have to take responsibility for the road itself (ie. maintenance etc.) unless the state specifically implies it in their agreement of the "private-public partnership".

It would be worthwhile to see the contract agreement itself. One can probably do a FOIA request and find out. It might be very enlightening to see how the real owners are being screwed in this deal. After all it is our gas tax that builds these roads, and the repair/maintenance as far as I am aware comes from the same funds collected through the gas tax. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to my layman point of view that someone is collecting more money than what is allocated for this road; once through gas tax, the other through the toll road fees.

Control is the key, not ownership. Besides the many advantages it offers, one can use it as a leverage to make more money for oneself without risking ones own wealth. A typical statist approach of how to get rich in the public sector.