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Why Did God Create Gay Men?

Because not all woman have good taste?

Because the goddess of fashion needed a helping hand by her fellow man?

Because men would never stop killing their fellow man unless they were attracted to them?

Some people still think being gay is not, "natural," even though we were all conceived and made in the same flesh.

I don't think slurping diet Pepsi is, "natural," but that's a different subject altogether.

I swear to God Almighty I did not have a choice in the matter. If I could flip a switch and be straight, I'd do it in a heartbeat because being heterosexual is a hell of a lot easier than being gay.

I could get married, have kids, meet people in a normal way...and have a family of my own. I've known I was gay since I was 4 years old. When I meet an attractive guy, I can't simply hit on him and ask for his number in public. It's a far different world than anyone who has not lived in my shoes would ever know.

For every man who comes out of the closet, at least 3 stay in it because life's a lot easier today living a lie as many have shown, but I digress.

Why did God create gay men?

Why did God want men to be attracted to other men?

I think God did it to help preserve and foster life.

How is that so, when gay men don't procreate?

Because if one man is attracted to another, they are less likely to kill one another.

Simple preservation of life.

If a man thinks another man is beautiful and is attracted to him, he's a lot less likely to kill him.

And life goes on.

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Because we live in a fallen world, and humanity is corrupt.

Why did God create violent men? What about angry ones?

Why am I so bitter and cynical? I'd much rather be idealistic, like Walt Disney or Nikola Tesla. I'd like to be confident and hopeful. Why am I inclined to sarcasm and an unjustified sense of superiority? Why am I easily distracted by the senseless and silly, when other things, such as schoolwork, have much greater priority and I know it?

I'm not. We all - every single one of us - have vices that we must overcome. We don't get a say in what it is.

For the record, I upvoted you, because it's a valid question, and more people need to be willing to consider the hard answer.

Fight it, sir. Fight with everything you have. I don't believe "gayness" can be cured, because it is not in any sense a physical disease. Like my own bitterness, sarcasm, ego, and, uh, distracted-ness, it is a spiritual war that you must fight.

And let me tell you, it's impossible to fight it without the aid of God. Don't cave in!

what are you implying?

That gay men are morally on the same level as violent men? What is wrong with you? Have you no decency?

There is nothing wrong with gay men and nothing to be cured.

Homosexuality evolved in nature because it confers some kind of survival advantage to the group. I am not so sure about religion.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

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You are asking the wrong question.

Why did God create pedophilia within a church that was formed as a direct lineage from the teachings of Jesus?

Yes, I'm asking you to pretend that you are God for this decision. Make the judgement call as to which is worse? Worse is the wrong word. Which one IS the abomination? A sexual predator posing as being god-like while targeting innocents for debauchery OR two consenting adults who are harming no one?

Answer: ?

Holy strawman, Batman!

And an astoundingly bad one, at that.

Also a blatant red herring with no relation to the subject at hand.

Your argument is literally, "There are people doing this wrong thing, which means that THIS thing isn't wrong!"

This argument is best defined as "stupid." I'm sure I could find something you agree with a bad person on, but that wouldn't make your argument invalid - it would make mine -stupid-.

bonobos practice pedophilia!

I freaked when I saw that bonobo book on the list. Is that the next thing we're going to be pressed to accept as 'normal'?
I watched a nature program on bonobos and it said they were fiercely sexually driven in the morning. The little ones would huddle all together, scared, knowing what fate was about to befall them. I watched a male approach the group and they began screaming and were desperately clinging to each other. One poor thing was wrenched away from the others and the rape began, all the while the poor little thing was screaming and crying.
That was all I could watch. I was sickened! SICKENED! Don't try to convince me I'm anything like that brutal, deviant species.
I am a human being, capable of thought and determined to be as non-violent as possible. But when something I disagree with is being forced upon me, or when the obnoxious idea that God created someone 'gay', which utterly destroys the idea of self-determination, when we all know it's not in about genes but our minds - even if it's because the mind is being stimulated by chemicals - then I have every right to defend myself.
This argument has morphed into the realm of insanity.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

are you sure those were bonobos?

First, let me say that no one is saying we should model ourselves after either bonobos or chimps. That would be sheer insanity. I only brought up bonobos because someone was claiming there was no homosexuality among animals, which is completely incorrect.

Rape is common among chimps. Chimps even make "wife beating" equipment, which are big sticks prepared ahead of time to beat females into submission if they refuse to mate.

Bonobos, on the other hand, have female dominated communities. A lone male has no power, because the females will gang up on him. The girls stick together.

And what do you mean by pedophilia? Bonobos practice all kinds of sex, in all combinations, except for one. There is no mother and son intercourse, which probably evolved to prevent inbreeding. Mothers will massage their babies genitals, though. Is that what upset you?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus


I was reading the TV guide and had never heard of bonobos so decided to watch what I thought would be a pleasant nature program.
What upset me was watching a group of young bonobos clinging to each other and screaming because some male wanted to get off and was hunting the younger ones. You make it sound as if there's consent among the group, that every bonobo wants it up the rear end. That's NOT what I saw. I didn't watch the entire program and turned it off after seeing the male grab the juvenile and start mating with him. In this instance it did not look as if the younger one wanted it, or any of the young ones wanted the older male to mate with them. All I know is I didn't want to watch an older anything copulate with a young anything. Thankfully I don't know anyone who would like to watch that kind of thing.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Warning! Joke ahead. Do not read, without a sense of humus.

Because he ran out of places to put hamsters?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

here is a horrible song

for your horrible joke:


“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus



I guess it wasn't just to help my odds with the ladies.

EDIT: No offense intended, zoo. You are who you are. Perhaps this is god's/evolution's way of attempting to save us from destroying ourselves and our planet through overpopulation.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

God Didn't Create "Gay" men

He created men, giving them free will, they chose a lifestyle, they have refused to fight the evil that has convinced them that it is ok.

One thing I do know is that the greatest lie ever told is by Lucifer himself. He convinced people he doesn't exist. Therefore if people are convinced he doesn't exist then neither does God.

On top of that, the environment in the womb, how you are raised, nutritional deficiencies and other environmental factors can be what cause men and women to "think" they are "gay".

Gay use to mean happy. Are you happy?

Anyway, in the bible, homosexual was not the word used. The scripture Phil was quoting correctly is: {1 Cor.6:9} Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, {6:10} nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So the retarded minority special interest group, GLAAD, threw a tizzy fit. I guess a lot of "gay" men read GQ. They chose the gay part because Phil said words like "vagina" and "anus". Oh come on, we're all adults here. The interview was done in an adult magazine for men, GQ. Besides, it was more of an opinion that he prefers women. Simply put.

How come they didn't pick up on idol worshippers? American Idol comes to mind. Hollywood comes to mind. Government comes to mind (some people worship the government, we all know that) How about all the drunkards? Or extortionist? IRS and Fed come to mind. How about all the fornicators? Those who have sex outside of marriage? Or Adulterers? Married people having sex outside of their marriage. How about all those sinners? How many of us have committed those "sins"? Yet we weren't screaming from the rooftops about it.

And for crying out loud, Phil stated that he didn't judge anyone, he let God do that. He was simply pointing out how God looked at these sins.

Being "gay" isn't the sin, it's the acts performed with the same sex.

You'll have to come to terms with it sometime. You're already questioning it otherwise you wouldn't have made this post.

Interior designers?

I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is.

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant

Because one natural law of God is POLARITY

"Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled." — The Kybalion.

..."Heat and Cold are identical in nature, the differences being merely a matter of degrees"...

In this principle you can see heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual. They are all the same, they just vary in degree. More on the principle of polarity is here:


Bottom line is, you are normal in the universe. You are only a curse within the delusional, organized, money pimping religions of man.


When I meet an attractive gal, I can't simply hit on her and ask for her number in public...either. Well, I guess I could, but that would express a view of human relations which undermines the desire of most people (fantasy or not) to have a committed relationship with a single other person. Relationships are necessarily a delicate matter.

Maybe he just needs a shopping buddy?

Perhaps he needs a gay friend to help him get some new threads, I mean that white robe is so 0...

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Now that was gay. Come on

Now that was gay. Come on bro, man up. You can do better than that. Contrary to what most people think, I don't like to shop, don't dress in drag, love to watch NFL football, drink beer, chew Copenhagen, former Marine, and I even like Duck Dynasty. I'm a fan of those rednecks, I must admit. I'm a big ZZ Top fan as well, love cars, would never find me in a coffee shop, and my favorite thing to do on a Saturday is mow the lawn.

I can care less about what the Chief Duck said, I'm so used to it by now. I just wish that he, and many Christians realized that the words, "Gay," "Heterosexual," and, "Homosexual," are modern words...not Biblical.

The King James Bible FIRST used the word, "homosexual," in 1946!

C'mon Bro!

Gay weddings are not new...they're ancient, and history proves it.


"Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has evolved both as a concept and as a ritual. Prof Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings such as blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These ceremonies had all the contemporary symbols of a marriage: a community gathered in church, a blessing of the couple before the altar, their right hands joined as at heterosexual marriages, the participation of a priest, the taking of the Eucharist, a wedding banquet afterwards. All of which are shown in contemporary drawings of the same sex union of Byzantine Emperor Basil I (867-886) and his companion John. Such homosexual unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th/early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (Geraldus Cambrensis) has recorded."


History is a big fat bitch. No wonders why so many don't want to touch her.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Rewriting History to Serve

Rewriting History to Serve the Gay Agenda By Marian Therese Horvat, Ph.D. http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_002br_SameSex.htm

These absurds methods of “re-reading” History are not only being tolerated, but accepted and praised in mainstream academia....That is exactly what John Boswell did. The past chairman of Yale’s history department was gay and a convert to Catholicism. He resided in New Haven with his long-time companion, and died not too long ago (1994) at age 42 of an AIDS-related illness. Now, in “history according to Boswell,” homosexuality was tolerated in the first centuries of Christianity and homosexual marriages were celebrated liturgically in the Middle Ages.

“What Boswell is trying to do is change the Catholic Church. I think that was his whole purpose,” said Dr. Vern. L. Bullough, a professor emeritus of History at Buffalo Sate University of New York (2). I agree with Dr. Bullough. The interest of Boswell was first and foremost to find “facts” that could justify homosexuality as something normal and acceptable in order to further the gay rights agenda of our day.... In all his revised interpretations, Boswell unfairly keeps silent about the fact that according to the early and medieval Church, homosexual activity was scandalous and considered an abomination. For example, St. Augustine called sodomy and similar vices “sins against nature, which are abominable and deserve punishment whenever and wherever they are committed.” Speaking about the sin of sodomy, St. John Crysosthom said “there is nothing, absolutely nothing, more mad or damaging than this perversity.” St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas condemned homosexual acts as obscene, addictive and against nature (6). A ceremony of blessing would hardly sanction – in a subliminal contextual reading – what Popes and Saints forthrightly condemned.

I'm here Bro!

I used to work as an art director for a fashion magazine and my wife is a stylist. I know gay people and call many of them my friends.

I know how ridiculous this whole thing is as much as you do. I just tried to make light of this whole non-issue.

I really dig your historical references BTW. Good stuff.

PS I'm far better dressed these days too ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Both sides are stupid.

The knee jerk Gay is sin is over simplified and foolish.

But the "they were born that way, we should embrace their diversity" is just as wrong.

The former is wrong, because people deserve privacy, and to be left alone if they don't injure anyone.

The later is wrong, because it promotes a lack of responsibility for ones actions, and an effete culture of submissiveness, and victim-ology. Further, this community insists that we embrace alternative lifestyles as equivalent to more conventional lifestyles, and is willing to use violence (the power of the state) to do this.

I am not one for psychiatry

I am not one for psychiatry but here is a brief article on how homosexuality was removed from the original DSM.


Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

To believe homosexuality is a

To believe homosexuality is a choice means you believe you are capable of making that choice, and fear it. I believe those that use religion to antagonize homosexuality in this manner have had mind homosexual feelings and are fearful they may be gay.

Otherwise, I don't believe its a choice because I didn't choose to be straight. I didnt wake up one day and say @Ya know, I think im into girls!"

If it's not a choice in capable of making than i don't believe its a choice that anyone makes. Sexuality is part of who we are. It's your life, not mine, why should I care who you spend your time with?

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I am an Oath Keeper
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I am a father and I want my children to know true freedom in their lifetime.

Who will throw the first stone?

What the hell are you people doing to your religion?

The comments in this post

The comments in this post sadden me more than anything I've read in years. How depressing that there are, not just a few but MANY ignorant, insensitive and just plain mean so called Christians basing gays as sinners and that they are here, on the Daily PeaceAULove spewing their garbage and doing so DURING THIS SEASON!

If the comments in this post represent the DP community, and I guess they do, then, Michael my man, it might just be time to shut the site down because any truth seeker looking into libertarianism who comes across this will turn away from libertarianism for sure.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

I'm not speaking for Michael,

I'm not speaking for Michael, but I have the opposite reaction to your solution.

If there was ever a good reason to keep the Daily Paul running, and NOT shut it down, the comments in this post may serve as good reason.

When people disagree - that's a GOOD thing. Nobody here wants to continuously hear the echo of the choir. Diversity is the key to life itself, so we should welcome it instead of shun the challenge.

Freedom, love, and liberty are not exclusive to the majority.

The majority sucks. Democracy sucks. Mob rule sucks. One faction ruling over another sucks. A heard mentality wearing blinders sucks.
People failing to realize that the word, "homosexual," didn't exist until the 19th century sucks.

Thank God I don't live in Russia, or Uganda.

Thank God for the Daily Paul.

Thank God for the 10 Commandments, for those are the only things in the Bible that were literally written in stone.

I live my life according to the laws handed down by God and given to Moses, and that is my choice.

The most common sign of a good discussion is when the majority disagrees.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Diversity isn't the key to

Diversity isn't the key to life. Love, understanding, empathy and doing for others is the key to life. Accepting the opinions of ignorant fools like those posting anti gay garbage here isn't anything heroic or tolerant, it's a feeble attempt to reason with fools and it leads nowhere.

You have every right to be who you are and anybody who calls you a sinner is an ignorant, insensitive fool.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Being homosexual

is not a sin.

The sin is acting on it. Me being inclined towards vicious sarcasm and self-superiority is not a sin, but acting on it by insulting others and treating them as inferior -is- wrong.

Pardon me if I want to see as many people happy for eternity in the New Earth as possible.

I gave it a few seconds of

I gave it a few seconds of thought and that was all I needed to decide that no, I won't pardon you.

When you publicly declare that gay men acting on their sexual desires are sinners you're being hurtful, and in the Christian tradition in which I was raised, intolerant and decidedly unChristian.

And making this declaration in this forum is particularly galling to me because you are associating this bigoted opinion with libertarianism, and that is damaging to the cause.

So rest assured, every time I see you publicly express these thoughts here, until the site mods zap my account, I will counter you, because reasonable voices of tolerance must outnumber your voice if this movement is to be successful,

Peace and Love

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein


It is a role of the dice what will happen when you mix the DNA of two people to conceive a child. As a result, each person is unique.

You are who you are. That includes being both gay and spiritual.

- Peace

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

DNA is not destiny

And there is no evidence that being Gay is heritable. Gay parents do not have gay children.

There are congenital factors and epigenetic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics that effect hormones, cognition, and emotions, and probably predisposes some people to desire sexual encounters with others of the same sex.

Born with a code

We are all born with a code.

A gay person cannot make themselves straight anymore than a 5'-0" tall man can make himself 6'-0".

Zoo said it - he knew when he was 4 years old.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo