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Why Did God Create Gay Men?

Because not all woman have good taste?

Because the goddess of fashion needed a helping hand by her fellow man?

Because men would never stop killing their fellow man unless they were attracted to them?

Some people still think being gay is not, "natural," even though we were all conceived and made in the same flesh.

I don't think slurping diet Pepsi is, "natural," but that's a different subject altogether.

I swear to God Almighty I did not have a choice in the matter. If I could flip a switch and be straight, I'd do it in a heartbeat because being heterosexual is a hell of a lot easier than being gay.

I could get married, have kids, meet people in a normal way...and have a family of my own. I've known I was gay since I was 4 years old. When I meet an attractive guy, I can't simply hit on him and ask for his number in public. It's a far different world than anyone who has not lived in my shoes would ever know.

For every man who comes out of the closet, at least 3 stay in it because life's a lot easier today living a lie as many have shown, but I digress.

Why did God create gay men?

Why did God want men to be attracted to other men?

I think God did it to help preserve and foster life.

How is that so, when gay men don't procreate?

Because if one man is attracted to another, they are less likely to kill one another.

Simple preservation of life.

If a man thinks another man is beautiful and is attracted to him, he's a lot less likely to kill him.

And life goes on.

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Fact is,

we as animals are all bisexual by nature, our urges don't give a shit where they relieve themselves as long as they do. The difference between us humans and animals is that its our environment, morality (built on rationality), that dictates the best outlet for our urges.


Because apparently women aren't annoying enough.

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heh heh heh

that was too funny

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Using that logic you could

Using that logic you could say that god created murderers,child molestors, rapists, theives, and presidents.

I don't think so. He gave men free will. Adam and Eve decided to eat the apple, God did not make them do it.

the thing with your logic

is that it assumes there is a god, and that the whole adam and eve thing happened. Not everything is black and white. Some instances may be biological, some nurture, and some a combination. And yes some people are born with the biological makeup to be more violent than others that with a mental/emotional deficiency or even sufficiency could lead them to become murders/rapists. The good thing is that I think these types of people born like this are in the minority.

Jury Nullification is a power of the last resort against tyranny.

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And god looked

and said his creation was good
god made man in his image and likeness
god knew us in the womb.and knew what we were going to be before birth
God made man,dirt rocks,trees,grass ect ect,and called it all good
Why he even created them angels,the devil being one of them
SO,if them bible passages are correct,then he did create everything under the sun,including,the ones straight,gay,bi,and every other male/female on this planet,If he created bees to sting,and poison ivy to make you break out,then this is what they were created for,they serve his own function

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

He didn't.

He didn't.

good answer

Elementary Biology
Humans are heterosexual.
case closed

God never mentions a purpose for gay men.

In fact, upon creation he created the woman from the man in order to fulfill his purpose. Be fruitful and multiply. Instead, we are told that you shouldn't have children, they are a threat to the planet.

Without your dad and mom getting together and following Gods commandment, it would be pretty hard to be a gay man.

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if everyone was fruitful and multiplied...there would be not enough resource to care for the excess population.

Jury Nullification is a power of the last resort against tyranny.

A gay native friend once told me...

that in the Oneida culture gay men are viewed as contact points to the spiritual world. They are often made the tribes 'priests' and communicators with dead souls.

Going with this view it is easy to understand why the occult/hidden is popular among gays.

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He didn't create men to be gay

The Bible clearly says that men lying with men is an abomination to Him. However, He DOES NOT hate people who are gay. He loves them very much and came to this world to save them.

He has given us all the ability to choose what we do in this life. We condemn ourselves, but He alone saves.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


God has a sense of humor.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

Why did God create gay men?

Because female Marilyn Monroe impersonators are somehow never as convincing...

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Gay Men and God

Maybe God created gay men because he wanted to make it easier on the good people of this world to spot the closet bigots. The judges who have no place to judge. People are, by nature, subversive and deceptive. Perhaps Satan works in the hearts of so-called 'righteous men', and this is God's plan to deal with them.

I've Been Through This Debate A Lot

I have debated this issue for many years online. It was part of my "coming out" adventure. In fact, the debates helped me come to terms myself. I have no idea WHY people are born gay.

And I have little problems with an intelligent person who genuinely understands sexuality (not sex) and then tries to honestly apply it to their religious beliefs.

What I have a problem with is the vast amount of religious people who don't actually understand or study sexuality in any way shape or form and then use that ignorance to judge all "homosexuals to hell".

When someone says that people choose to be gay we can ask them - Then why do so many gay people mutilate their private parts or kill themselves because they can't become straight? These facts and realities should highly suggests it's not a choice, but it also reveals the ignorance of the one making the claim. It should also render the rest of their judgments on the subject completely null and void.

This is usually when they get angry and then begin regurgitate a bunch of scriptures, because, in the end they're nothing but a used-car salesman pitching someone else's writings. It's hard to be thoughtful or unique when you get to heaven by being a carbon-copy clone "for Christ".

When someone says that "homosexuals are going to hell" - This statement means that this person cannot distinguish (even in their own faith) the difference between a sexual act and a sexuality. Which once again illustrates their ignorance of the issue at hand - so why are they commenting at all?

As someone who's been through the actual process of being born gay in a religious family, I cannot write out what a personal hell that IS. There's no way that I can convey that to you in words. It's far too personal and unique to explain.

But when this issue comes up and we see these same lame judgments over and over again, the homophobes should know they're not going to change anything. There are gay people, and they are born gay and there will always be gay people. You're wasting your time. If years of praying to "change" did not change their sexuality. Or years of trying to commit suicide did not change their sexuality - what good do you think your little judgments or comments are going to do? Absolutely nothing. In fact, they make matters worse. Your ignorant words turn them against you, if not worse.

As a result today, gay people are only hostile toward YOU because YOU compare them to MURDERERS. It creates these contradictions based solely on ignorance that's hard to ignore.

Many christian's can watch thousands of movies featuring actual KILLERS but suggest they watch Brokeback Mountain and they'll have a heart attack! Why is that? Would they rather watch a KILLER? Yes they would. I guess I should tell them that one of the gay men get's murdered and perhaps they'll wanna watch it? This is what ignorance can actually do to your morality. Your beliefs become contradictory and insane, but when it comes to gay people - many of you then use YOUR ignorance and insanity as a judgement against THEM.

What I know is that individuals posses no magical control over our sexual attractions. How do I know this? Because I AM ACTUALLY GAY. Trust me - there never was a big button that had the word gay written on it that I had to press. I just always was and never chose it. we though, can CHOOSE to be ignorant.

The bottom line for me is that someone's sexuality is not an act of sex. Therefore, even in biblical terms, it's completely neutral and cannot be a sin. If this one truth were understood I think it could help end this cycle of ignorance within Christianity. But it requires THOUGHT, CONSIDERATION and UNDERSTANDING to get there.

REgarding homos and the id, ego and superego

I was looking for my little essay on the subject that I wrote a while back and couldn't find it so instead I found another one with similar views on the web:

Homosexuality, paedophilias and an inclination to sexual fetishes are a punishment of the SUPEREGO as a consequence of the EGO attempting to satisfy the ID demands.
The ID pulses with sexual drives.

EGO will try to satisfy the sexual desires with restrictions of superego.

SUPEREGO will try to repress the actions for satisfying sexual desires based on values.

This is a partly-conscious, partly-unconscious battle. The ID being unconscious, the SUPEREGO being conscious while the EGO is partly-conscious and partly-unconscious.

The ID continuously demands relations.

If the EGO will fail to build the relations required by the ID, the Superego will punish with frustration, anger, lonesomeness, looser feelings and a sense of being different to the normal people.

Initially the SUPEREGO statement will not be accepted and the punishment will be hard to bear, but by time and continuous confrontation between the ID and the SUPEREGO by the EGO, this feeling will sink in and a consensus is achieved by the EGO.

After this process that lowers ones self esteem, louder calls of the ID which still are unsatisfied (or partly satisfied by pornography etc) will revive the battle that will now become fiercer and more extreme.

The EGO will therefore explore other categories and forms for satisfying the ID which include relations with people we aren't attracted to, accepting bad treatment from friends, homosexuality, paedophilias and sexual fetishes.

Again these will not be tolerated by the SUPEREGO and questioned by the EGO. Again there will be frustration, guilt feelings, lonesomeness and a justified feeling of being different to common trends.

By time, curiosity and observation the EGO will modify the morality and values of the SUPEREGO to satisfy the sexual impulses of the ID which have also been altered to satisfy the SUPEREGO. In other words, the EGO compromises ones sexuality to satisfy the sexual drives of the ID and the values of the SUPEREGO. This process is facilitated in a more tolerant society (ex. its normal to be gay or to pursue sexual fantasies)

Once a comfort zone is built with the like-minded people or tolerant people surrounding the person in question, the ID will pulse for power and relations. The SUPEREGO that feels like having lost several battles will be easier to overcome and will thus offer less resistance. The more the person accepts a)homosexuality/ sexual fetishes as his reality and b) homosexuality/ sexual fetishes as a widely accepted concept, the more successful he will be at building the relations. If researchers will be

able to validate the idea that homosexuality is a natural phenomena, the homosexual idea will be much easier to accept.

In the case of paedophilias, the person will not seek approval from the society as the act is illegal. Even though the paedophile will be linked to other networks of like minded people, the interaction consensus achieved by the EGO will drive him to pursuing his acts without the approval of the society or restrict him from treading down this path.

Thus, although society is not a fundamental key player, it oils the wheels and makes a sexual inclination to fetishes/ homosexuality easier to achieve because it is widely tolerated by society. This is the main reason why the contemporary world is faced by more homosexuals and sexually inclined people than even before. Thus if the punishment was stricter to paedophiles, this would make the leap from step 2 to step 3 (described below) more difficult and hence less paedophiles will make the leap to step 3. In the same way, if a religion or society would not tolerate homosexuality and sexual inclination, the leap to step 3 would be tougher since it would not be a viable option to the EGO and less people would consider homosexuality/sexual fetishes as an alternative. Thailand has a reputation of having the world's best clinics when it comes to changing sex operations' due to the fact that transsexuals are considered as the third sex.

With time and due to the fact of having met and confronted several prototypes of people, the person in question will develop a skill set of techniques and strategies that will allow him to control several relations, reject and avoid people that don't accept their views while building the relations required by the ID. This will be rewarded with pleasure and happiness that make the person in question to belief that this has always been his natural path.

Thus, at the initially stages people will try to suppress the idea of being different, fight it and try to prove it wrong. Secondly is a tolerance to the idea of being different from the and an exploration of the differences which are lead by the ID and curiosity and constantly confronted by the SUPEREGO, (such as connecting to a group of like minded people, reading certain perspectives or through watching pornography) which lead the person's thoughts and sexual diversions. And thirdly the person accepts the reality, tolerates his differences´ and will start building relations. Failure of the achieving the third step will force one into the second step and excavate into more unknown territory which prepares him again for the third phase. This can also be linked to some extent with Nietzsche's view in Thus Spake Zarathustra' when he talks about the camel, lion and the baby metaphor. Also, friendships are what keep us from exploring the depths of the perversions, "The friend of the anchorite is always the third one: the third one is the cork which preventeth the conversation of the two sinking into the depth." (XIV. THE FRIEND.) thus depths are achieved during lonesomeness '" a punishment of the SUPEREGO.

At any point during this lengthy process people may take diversions which prevent them from going through all the three steps and prevent them from reaching the depths, these include:

A) Being able to build and maintain successful relationships,

B) Seeking knowledge that will help you build your desired success such as dating books, etc. However if the SUPEREGO punishes the person for trying to manipulate other people's behaviour the result may be sinking deeper.

C) Settling with a person with a lack of attraction and accepting it as a fact of life, a common thing or destiny.

This explains why not all people are homosexuals or paedophiles or sexual inclined to fetishes.

As we go through life, we are constantly making decisions that determine our future based on our past experiences and communal perspectives. Martin Heidegger argues that our thoughts are always ahead of us while self-improvement authors such as Robert Kiyosaki, Napoleon Hill and Wallace D. Wattles emphasise that we determine our outcome.

Thus it can be argued that homosexuality/ paedophilia/ and sexual inclinations to fetishes may be personal choices that happen largely at the unconscious level, which, if acted upon at the key moments or bought to full consciousness early on in the process may prevent the person in question from embarking onto the route that lead to homosexuality/ paedophilia/ and sexual inclinations to fetishes.

bonobos use homosexuality to diffuse violence

They also exhibit more kindness than any other great ape. Also, the casual and frequent sex prevents infanticide, as the males can't tell their own offspring and thus don't want to risk killing their own.


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“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

bonobos practice pedaphilia, too

I guess you're advocating for that, also. I watched a program on them and the little ones all try to huddle together in the moning because that's when the worst rape happens, they were screaming, a male would wrench one from the group and rape away, all the while the poor little thing screaming and crying. It was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. I promptly switched the channel. 30 seconds of that rot was more than enough for me. Bonobos are violewnt when it comes to pleasing themselves but of course an atheist would say otherwise. I bet newer docos on bonobos wipe that fact out because the poducers want to help promote the 'gay' lifestyle.
You have a sick mind. And I'm going to repeat this comment at the beginning of this thread because otherwise it's buried.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
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That gay men exist for the purpose of reducing violence amongst men? Do you think that when a gay soldier sees an enemy soldier or combatant pointing a rifle at him he thinks to himself "I won't shoot that man because he is just too cute"? FACT: Domestic violence amongst male gay couples is a big problem (as in heterosexual couples) and is very ugly and dangerous.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Voltaire

My guess is

that people attracted to those of the same sex are simply an extension of the creative principal that brings potential into reality in a progressively more diverse manner.

Our physical reality is nothing more than 0's and 1's. Don't get yourself down because a few meat-sacks whose 0's and 1's added up to simple minded bigotry disapprove of the way your 0's and 1's stack up. It's like seeking acceptance from those who cannot or will not accept themselves.

Anyways, my take is there is no special "reason". Life is just expressing itself in a different way, as it has been known to do.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

Gay men are not pacifists

Ever hear of the Theban bands in ancient greece http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes or

By having men that are emotionally linked to one another, they fought harder. Quite a number of tyrants through history were gay, though some argue that they were really Bisexual. Which raises a whole different question about the choice/born that way thing.

There is more gay behavior in prisons, and in societies with too high a percentage of males. IN animals, overcrowding also causes gay behavior, and is a way to direct animals sex drive into an non-reproductive direction. Its not surprising that more Gay men tend to be Children with several older brothers, or were born late in their mothers reproductive cycle.

So, it seems sort of natural in this regard, but I have to admit, I don't like the culture surrounding Gay sex - the mimosas and show tunes, or the Village people costumes, or Cher, etc.

I doubt you were 4

I was about 6 and at that time I became a little heterosexual deviant. But why? What was I exposed to that directed my behavior in such a way? Well I remember bumping into my dads porno collection and that's when my penis became a "focal point". I remember begging my babysitter to have sex with me(actually French kissed her :) ), talking to girls my age and thinking how I can get them to make me feel good by doing stuff with my penis. Hell I remember paying some girl 75 cents to lick my private parts.

Thank god it wasn't gay porn :)

I look at my 7 year old son today and I couldn't imagine for a second him thinking like me.

The difference between him and I was the fact that I was exposed to certain things in my childhood that triggered me to think a certain way.

Frued's Theory on the Id Ego and Superego is probably the best explanation for how and why people choose certain outlets for their sexual urges.

Wait...God created gay men so

Wait...God created gay men so they won't kill each other? Lmao!

Wow - the gay-haters on DP are officially out of the closet.

I've got the opposite problem from you. I wish I was gay. I'd be getting it all the time. It's way harder to get a girl than a guy - they always want to know what you do, what you drive, oh I have to get up in the morning (no s).

So yeah, everybody's got problems.


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haha, Chris, I totally feel you, man

I wish I was bisexual. I feel like I am missing out on half the fun!

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Yes everyone has a sin

Yes everyone has a sin problem, that should be obvious from everyday empirical evidence, that was kind of the whole reason we needed a savior.

who said God created a gay man?

I thought God created 2 people - Adam and Eve. They had children.

Did God create more people besides Adam and Eve or did Adam and Eve give birth to more humans?