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People who supported Ron Paul but voted for Obama in the last election should be ostracized.

I can't understand anyone who supported an honest person with integrity like Ron Paul could have supported a dishonest, corrupt, greed filth politician like Obama, who is undoubtly the worst president in U.S. history, who has created more division in this country since the Civil War. If he were president during the founding of this country when the Declaration of Independence was drafted, he would of been hanged to the highest tree for his crimes. He would be no different than a British Redcoat which he is acting like right now. A Monarchist Socialist is what he is. I have no sympathy for those who voted for Obama. I am surprised why he hasn't been impeached yet. I guess the morals of this country has changed and people like dishonesty and greed, while they get their entitlements/welfare, and food stamps, sucking off the government's tit. I just don't understand you liberals and I don't think I ever will.

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Let me ask you something.

If we ostracize them, from whom will they receive this education? That's right, people who will teach them that the state is great.

We should do the exact opposite for people that don't share our views ... welcome them in, treat their views with respect, then slowly and gently chip away at their beliefs until they see things our way enough for them to start chipping away at the rest of their beliefs on their own. I only needed about 5% of my beliefs chipped away before I took the chisel and chipped the rest away on my own.

Work for pay, pay for freedom
Fuck 'em all, we don't need 'em

Hand the chisel to Ryno…

…he's in need of a trim…

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Many of them are waking up now and realizing that

'hope and change' meant 'I hope I can be a tyrant' and change meant 'you'll have nothing left but change in your pocket.' Why kick folks when they are already kicking themselves in their backsides for voting for him?

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

He was talking about Ron Paul supporters…

who voted for Obama…not Obama voters…big difference and certainly devoid of any hope/change from the Obama camp.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Yes exactly, I just can't

Yes exactly, I just can't figure out if you believe in liberty and support Ron Paul, how could you vote for someone who stands for the exact opposite of that?

I'd ask the same of you if you pulled a lever for Romney

…when, in the advent of a Romney win, the Liberty Movement would have been held under water for 8 years…not 4.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

I understand your logic,

I understand your logic, though I disagree with it. I just don't understand why you could at least stayed neutral or voted third party and not pull the lever for a tyrant. Even though I liked Romney a lot, but disagreed with him on certain things, I was principled enough not to vote for either candidate, even though the rest of my family were strong Romney supporters and a few are LDS.

i can halfway agree with this

one must also hold Romney voters to the same standard... like voting for redteam would have been justified? as if Romney wouldn't have done the exact same thing as Obama? they're owned by the same criminals.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

He's an idiot and not getting this…

…instead he's "sniffing out liberals". I'd bet that have shit for brains makes everything smell the same…

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Only the liberal morons are

Only the liberal morons are down voting. Now I can sniff out the lib socialists from the patriots.

"sniff out the lib socialists from the patriots"

"who has created more division" -ryno.t1985 ?

Let's have a discussion about this...

I can't speak for everyone, but I will make some assumptions...

1. I think most here would agree that voting for Gary Johnson or writing in Dr. Paul would have been ideal.

2. I think some here would agree that a Romney presidency would have been ever so slightly better than an Obama second term. But...

3. With a Romney presidency, it would be virtually assured that we would have no liberty candidate running in 2016 as Romney would be running for reelection in 2016 against the likes of Hillary, Obama et al. It's hard to predict the future under this scenario, but this seems like the most likely scenario in the event of a Romney win.

4. The closest election in our country's history was not decided by votes, but by the supreme court. So does your vote really count? What difference does it make?

Based on my 3rd point, it is feasible to understand why some here on the DP would vote for Obama. I don't like it, but there is some gamesmanship to that vote. I appreciate your passion, but let's focus it on the collectivist opposition and not the freedom lovers here. Cheers,

Zach

Discussion

1. Some States had no way to make right-ins.

2. I'd bet that most here understand that there would be absolutely no difference except maybe a quicker trigger finger in Syria.

3. Romney never would have won without the very people that were disenfranchised by his party apparatchiks so this is mental masturbation…but true were it ever to be the scenario and surely a factor in many protest votes hoping to position in 4 years…

4. One of many points and circumstances that point to the question being pertinent and probably best answered in the negative.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

So since we're discussing...

I mostly agree with your points, so let's take the discussion a step further...

1. For those in states w/out write-ins (ie OK where you couldn't even vote for Johnson) would it be better to throw support behind 4 years of pain with a potential light at the end of the tunnel in 2016, or to support 2 presidential election cycles of (humor for a second) slightly less pain, but no light until at least 2020? And in scenario B it is more than likely a real conservative having no chance at election after 8 years of Rmoney? I vote for the BHO if I have those two choices, but my protest vote was for Johnson, and I felt pretty good about it despite him not being my ideal candidate.

2. You're probably right. We would likely be in Syria full blown. Maybe we would have repealed the ACA, but likely the replacement (repeal and replace) would not have been anything to cheer about. The ACA was really the root of my thinking. This line of thought also makes me somewhat releived that we got Obama over McCain in 2008.

3. You may be overestimating our numbers (I hope you're not), but I wouldn't consider it "mental masturbation" by any means. But we agree thoroughly here, it would appear.

4. This is usually why I argue that a third party vote is the only non-wasted vote you can make. Logically, throwing support to an alternative candidate matters much more when electoral votes are going to be decided by massive numbers or supreme court judges. Another reason I think a liberty candidate might not realistically have a prayer. That's a pessimistic thought, but sometimes reality is not all that positive.

Thanks for the note.

I agree with a lot of what

I agree with a lot of what you say. I actually wanted Obama to beat Romney because if Romney would of won, he would of been blamed for our situation we are in now, and Obama would be hailed a saint or a martyr. I am glad that people are actually getting angry with Obama and all his atrocities he has commited so he will finally be blamed for the things that have gone wrong and not blame it on his predecessor Bush for everything that he always had.

all Obama is , is a

all Obama is , is a continuation of bush. there is no difference between the 2 and no difference between Romney and Obama.

WTF?

Ostracize yourself immediately See: Ryno's Rules

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

"I actually wanted Obama to beat Romney"

"I actually wanted Obama to beat Romney" -ryno.t1985

You voted for Obama in spirit, but you didn't have the balls to actually do it in physical reality [yes, I'm assuming that, or are you among those you would like ostracized?]. You rode on the coattails of people that actually had the courage to make manifest that which they wanted, that which you wanted, and now you're here to criticize them.

Utterly despicable!

Let me rephrase what I said.

Ideally no, let me rephrase earlier, since I used the wrong words, I did not want Obama to win but I knew he was going to when people want handouts in a bad economy, then they start hating the ones who are successful. I perfered Romney over Obama, but I didn't want Romney to be blamed for the crappy economy that Obama, Bush, and their predecessors got us in.

No because I am not that dumb

No because I am not that dumb to vote for someone that will destroy this country. I would of voted for Romney but I was unable to register to vote because I just moved to a new state at the time.

"I would of voted for Romney but"

"I actually wanted Obama to beat Romney"

-@1m36s -"That was the magic trick: I just used smaller sized balls."

True Dat...

4 Stars…

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

+1

Wow, I was going to reply the exact same thing but could not have said it better.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

But regardless if they

But regardless if they disagreed with Romney or not, they didn't have to pull the lever for Obama. They could of just stayed home and not vote or just vote some third party candidate.

I agree. In all honesty

I agree. In all honesty though, the game was rigged for Romney to lose anyway so it is a trivial fact from a political perspective. From a philosophical perspective, I would never endorse Obama with my vote no matter what the game.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

This was the point I was

This was the point I was trying to get across. When you vote for someone, you endorse them and all of their policies. That's why Ron Paul didn't vote for either one because he is principled. The people on here who say they are liberty minded and Ron Paul supporters are not really liberty minded because they voted for a dictator, which is in this case Obama. They just voted for him out of emotion for what happened at the RNC and to seek revenge for it. By voting for Obama, they endorse all of his policies.