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The world doesn't want to be saved, it wants to be subsidized.

I got an email in response to the post I made earlier, based on another email: Please close my account.


I have enjoyed stopping by the site, but it saddened me to see you repeating what I had just gone through myself a few years ago so I never got involved.

I had a large audience/ vocal community on ning.com from 2008-2011 for my niche in energy/freedom/prepping. I spent 30-40 hours a week and 10's of thousands per year on free events, shop space and blog posts. I answered phone calls personally and I rarely placed ads or asked for money. When I did, little came. I fought hackers and spam and catfights.

I read thousands of emails telling me that I was great and I should give them free shit or I was an asshole. And slowly it took my enthusiasm and twisted it into something that was sometimes dark.

I had a belief that faced with a challenge people would come together to take massive action, just like in WW2. Unfortunately my utopia in my head didn't match reality. TV has trained people to think that watching is doing. Everything is entertainment.

I dreaded quitting because there were some good people, but mostly my ego was tied into it and my ego didn't want to end. I finally sat down one night and wrote what is called a therapeutic metaphor. I didn't say I quit, you are all assholes. I told a story about an old man who died waiting for one of my products. He ran out of time. Then I talked about how fast my kids were growing and again time was passing quickly. By the end of a long letter I gently let this tribe know that my time was more valuable to me than their needs. I left a forwarding website that people could look at if it made them feel better.

There were a few days of frantic emails and confusion, but within a week it was peaceful and I began to smile. My life, MY LIFE was back in my control and they just found a new place to hang out. The world didn't end. I didn't answer emails for two years after that, it was awesome.

I focused on high end clients and their positive energy lifted me. Their state of mind made them successful and the state of mind of many on the DP makes then poor.

Choose your friends wisely. The world doesn't want to be saved it wants to be subsidized.

Hard work is a feedback loop telling us that we are slightly out of alignment. Work should be gauged on its ease and joy and value.

Good times are ahead for you as soon as you take that last step toward them.

Food for thought (not that I wasn't thinking it already).

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"Choose your friends wisely. The world doesn't want to be saved it wants to be subsidized."

What a pessimistic evaluation. BS. The world doesn't understand subsidy in proper. Subsidy is a deception by proper name. The world wants. What it wants is not subsidy if understood properly.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

michcrow's picture

Well all I can say is. I

Well all I can say is. I hope that you are getting the same type of enjoyment that the rest of us are getting from the DP. The DP is a very very very very unique site. I don't think I could really describe it accurately. But, regardless, if you're aren't getting the same kind of enjoyment out of it. You shouldn't do it. ( Although it depresses me to no end thinking about the DP ending. ) But it has to be fun for you as well.

The one quote I liked there was this one "Hard work is a feedback loop telling us that we are slightly out of alignment." So I'm hoping that that you're finding enough users on the DP are providing you a nice uplift instead of a downdraft.

Two shorten the road.

all your post give off a sad

all your post give off a sad energy anymore. i swear you fit this song perfect, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_xcY0WRM70. everytime i read one of your post i get the same feeling this song gives me. you fit the character.

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Best of luck in whatever you decide, Michael. I just hope the

DP remains in good hands and keeps going. Happy holidays and Merry Christmas to you and your family :)


Is it fair to post

a personal letter instead of speaking your own words?

This person asked to be removed from the Daily Paul. They can not defend or explain their words to this broad audience.

One persons world veiw being projected as the view of all of

One persons world veiw being projected as the view of all of humanity?

You can not claim to speak for all of humanity.

It is insane to blame the victim for the crime.

The crime is using digitial central bank corporations to create compounding false national debts. Then using claims of false national debt collection to justify tax collection. Tax collecton used to identify and eliminate opposition.

So you blame the crimes of the Rothschild family and all their criminal followers upon the victims who are being acused of owning taxes to pay the false compounding national debts.

No its not humanities fault its the fault of a group of individuals and each and every one of them are acountable for their actions.


I disagree with the title's premise.

Maybe that's how some people feel, but it's not some truism.

I read the comments, inspired by the link of herbrp re the sustainable community in Texas - or more to the point, self-sustaining. I learned about permaculture here at the DP, thanks to an intriguing comment by js290 left on the post about Mexico banning GMO corn. I watched the embedded video on "Restorative Agriculture" and was hooked. At the moment, trying it for myself isn't an option. But I believe it's the way of the future. And after knowing what I do now, I'll never buy into any food scarcity talk - not because I'm an eternal optimist but because this is a proven method, even in the desert.

While I can't pursue it myself, among those I've told about it, I passed on links from stillwater's resource library to a friend with a few acres in the country. As psyched as I am about the idea, she and her husband are thinking of buying a used bobcat to help create the ideal slopes and swales. They're already planning out now what they'll plant in Spring. I'm hoping their garden will then become an example of permaculture for their neighbors. [Ever wonder how many DP-inspired stories there are out there?]

The point I want to make is this. Permaculture/food forestry proves that if you do it right - if you understand the concept of "zones" (those areas closest to your home and most accessible, out to those on the property's fringe - that is, how things best work looking at things horizontally); the seven "layers," i.e., tall trees, understory trees, shrubs, perennial & annual herbaceous plants, ground covers, and root vegetables, plus climbing plants (in all, maximizing yield for a given area but also with each plant offering some direct or indirect benefit to another such as shade, climbing support, the attraction of pollinators, etc. - how things best work looking at the garden vertically); diversity of "root depths," where shallow-rooted plants, whatever their contribution to the ecosystem/food yield, need to be near deep-rooted plants that draw up water and nutrients from deep beneath the ground; and various other principles - you *can* create a self-sustaining system. THAT is a principle I believe is a truism. In life, as in permaculture...

[I'm laughing at the analogy thinking of how permaculture master Sepp Holtzer explains how, in addition to the different elements working together as a whole, there might be a pond or boulder within that larger ecosystem creating its own microsystem. It reminds me of stillwater's resource libraries and jrd2830's nightly jam session.]

Success depends on finding the right mix. Here at the DP, we all have unique interests, gifts, and talents to offer to the community. We all have our respective strengths and weaknesses. This includes that some people can contribute financially more than others. Yes, as implied by the above letter, I'm sure that a negative, cynical, and/or angry state of mind could contribute to someone's being "poor." But not all lack of financial success is due to a bad attitude. And while I agree it's important to choose one's friends wisely, financial status does not necessarily equate to goodness, honesty, loyalty, or other traits one would want in a friend. I wouldn't be too quick to judge someone else's financial situation at a given time, let alone choose friends accordingly.

Anyway, with the right balance of contributions, all types, I have to believe more of a self-sustaining system could be created. Of course, to begin with, Michael, you'd need to want to see this community thrive. But if that's ideally the case, and if the Daily Paul is no longer working to your satisfaction, there are more than just the two options of a) continuing it as it is with it apparently being (to a greater or lesser degree) a thorn in your side; or b) walking away from it.

As has always been the case, the Daily Paul is yours to mold however you see fit. I, for one, hope you'll keep it going - maybe adding some forum topics, deleting some, stating some new goals, setting some new house rules, setting new membership guidelines, or whatever else you could think of that might make it "easier, more joyful, and of more value" to you.

In a sense, I'm glad that the person who wrote that letter is leaving, someone who has the attitude that people just want others to hold them up. What a negative, condescending view. And I don't get the sense that that describes DP members. But (as was discussed on a post recently), it's not so much that "seeing is believing" as that "believing is seeing." However you choose to view this site and those of us who are here - whether in a bad light or good, you'd surely be able to find examples of some members, somewhere, from some time, to support that belief!

I'm grateful for the DP and for all the time, money, and effort you have invested. So, whatever your life goals might be at this time, I hope you can find a way to keep the site going such that maintaining it wouldn't be a drain on you but in some form or fashion could be used to your advantage in achieving those goals.

To make it worth your while, that's what it boils down to: how you view this site you've created - a feather in your cap or thorn in your side, and letting people know what you would personally need from here, if anything, that is more or different than what you are receiving now. As site originator and owner... you set the scene. http://www.dailypaul.com/270001/time-for-my-nightly-jam-sess...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

you can't help people until they are ready

and once they are ready, they don't need (much) help. :-)

Enjoy your life in whatever you do. I still owe you one but you know how to reach me.

Someone always has to SAVE the world...

it doesn't need saved by the likes of us, it as been around for billions of years and could flick us into oblivion like a flea at moments notice.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

In 2007, my life changed.

A friend of mine sent me a link to a youtube video of Ron Paul. I could not believe there was such a man in Congress with a verifiable record of always voting in line with the Constitution. Such integrity combined with his humble spirit (which, sadly, I find lacking in the lives of many in the Liberty movement) drew me strongly into the pursuit of Liberty.

The comments below the youtube contained numerous links to a website called the Daily Paul, which we affectionately call the DP.

No website has ever been more accurately named. It truly became a daily event for me. (Obviously, like most people, I have had to take a break now and again.)

So, thank you, for all you have done; and I know words can never express the gratitude I have for providing this website. But that's no reason to not say so.

Since Ron Paul ended his campaign and all the dirty tricks were pulled by the RNC leading up to that decision, I felt that the days of the Daily Paul were numbered.

However, that does not necessarily have to be, it only means the days of the DP being what it was are numbered.

In the last few months, or what I call the "off season", it has been more difficult to keep coming back because of some of the off-subject posts ansd comments, especially the strutting and combative posts and comments. I have forced myself to keep coming, however; and in so doing, I learned something - how I feel has nothing to do with whether I should come on the site!


Principles and truths are worth putting up with the undisciplined trainwrecks, trolls and trumpeting egotists that parade their tirades on the site, in order to reach the few disciplined minds that scavenge through the posts and comments looking for that gold nugget of truth to put in their bag!

I have been enlightened by many posters and commenters, most of whom I will never meet in this life. Yet, a bond has been forged, not just with the posters and commenters, but with the truths and principles that I have learned here. As a result, the words Daily Paul will always have a dearness in my heart and you as an individual as well.

My main purpose in writing this comment is to hopefully cause you to consider organizing the oversight of the website in such a manner that the guidelines are followed (perhaps rewrite some to accomplish this?) in such a manner that no one is ever banned by you, personally, but by themelves. In other words, some system that tracks offenses to where a notice is given of imminent loss of privileges. And then if an offense is committed again, their action sets in motion their own banishment, probation or whatever you decide. That would take the agony out of your hands, or even the mods who assist and put on the backs of those who engage in name-calling, and other reprehensible actions.

An alternative idea is to form a panel of judges who will judge whether to restrict someone's privilege to post and/or comment. This is actually a better idea in my mind as it would provide a way to practice judging matters according to established rules. A person would be able to access a separate forum provided only for those facing a loss of privileges to defend themselves or admit their errors. Of ourse this would take a lot of organizing, but I think it would be a microcosm of what we would like to see in our nation.

Either way, I'm sure the adage, "Organize or Agonize is not foreign to you, but sometimes we need to take a step back in the field of battle to assess whether we can do something better rather than do a full scale retreat.

Whatever you decide, of course is your cup of tea. Life can and will go on, but another adage I learned long ago, is "never despair, but if you do, work on in despair." Longevity is also a key to success in anything.

I'm sure you will agree, the work has made you a better man. While some try to better themselves and constantly fail, I have seen that those who constantly work, succeed at bettering themselves as a by-product because they are not focused on themselves, but on serving others.

I have been and will continue to pray for you.

Thank you - a million times over!

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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The politics in this state are so corrupt,

I could not get a foot in the door. So I have used the facts and history found here to wake up and educate everyone I work with, every cashier, all my friends and all my neighbors. Now I'm seeing a huge shift in peoples awareness. I recall something about brushfires of liberty....(which I learned here at the Daily Paul)....
Michael Nystrom YOU have changed the political landscape of a small town in WV and I would be very sad to see this bonfire of liberty extinguished. We are winning. Shrug off the na-sayers.

You are a Champion of Liberty helping to plot the course of history.

Opt in, not out.

Michael, I hope that you find your answers, and happiness above all.

Planning ahead, if the site does go away, would you consider an opt-in, to share all user contact info among others who opt-in? There may be the occasional spam account, but one could always block that out via junk mail.

I do enjoy the DailyPaul, you and everybody here. It will be a sad day if/when it ceases, indeed.


2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I wish I could forget...

but I have learned too much.

Positive Financial Feedback Loops...Thats the future!

Remember the Money Bomb thermometer for Ron Paul? That was a positive feedback loop. A simple one, but it works.

A little bit more detail and imagination is needed for one here to fund the DailyPaul.

Remember the old business formula?

Total Gross Income
Minus - All itemized Expenses
Equals = Net Operating Income
Minus - Debt Service
Equals = Bottom Line (Cash to reinvest into Dailpaul)

Well, a financial feedback-loop graph could be very helpful here and allow those members to OPENLY SEE and PARTICIPATE in its growth. Example: Click on Total Income and you'll see such things as ...

1 Subscribing membership fees
2 Ad Revenue fees
* and next to all of this the familiar thermometer donation Bar. Here any member can propose a New Fee Income item of which, member can vote up or down.

Click on All Itemized Expenses and you'll see such things as ...

1 Michael Nystrom's man hours per month 25 x $150hr = $3,750
2 Mo Electric bills
3 Mo Severe bills
* and next to all of this the familiar thermometer Bar showing expense level. Here any member can propose a New Expense items of which, member can vote up or down.

Click on Debt Service and find
1) Hardware # 1
2) Hardware # 2
*and next to all of this the familiar thermometer Bar showing long term debt level

Click on Bottom Line and see the cash that the Daily Paul has to reinvest to itself and grow. Here any member can propose a New Debt item of which, member can vote up or down.

* Yes, some bottom-up energy can come up from the bottom as the member feel more and more empowered by both seeing the actual facts and can participate and make a difference on any level, (expense, income and debt to take on)

Well its just a thought. What do you think?

Perhaps Michael can think of it from the outside user point of view? We have no clue as to the cost to run the Dailypaul and so, we have no idea if membership feel fair, just, honest, legit, justified, undervalued, overvalued, etc. We have no knowledge of the income & expenses for our little community here called the daily paul of which Michael has nicely/kindly provided. But by opening up this info to the members, it becomes member driven. Like the Ron Paul thermometer, it causes a sense of real participation in its growth and success. By opening up to all members, or just the paying ones, it at least causes this sense. Moreover, you can fairly plug in your time & effort compensation, which I am sure no one will begrudge you. Indeed, you run the risk of being over paid, not under paid. Right now the underpaid comes from the fact that the members DO NOT KNOW what it costs, what is involved, what income there is. They are not enticed into a financial feedback informational loop, that can only help the Dailypaul grow and succeed.

Again, its just a thought.

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yesterday,a guy was banned for collectivizing (your words)
And this DP original does the same thing

"Choose your friends wisely. The world doesn't want to be saved it wants to be subsidized."
Doesn't this statement say that no one wants to help,but wants handouts?
Doesn't it imply that ALL (collectivizing) the whole planet are nothing more than beggars?
I realize this is your site,and a great one,but then you talk of consistency.
"Asking for some kind of "consistency" from a falsely created group is ridiculous.
How it is consistent to ban another for doing the same thing you did?
I love you with all my heart,but I just don't get it.

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

here is some wisdom from W.W.

"Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes."

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson


How much does it cost to keep this site up? I'm sure it's expensive. But don't you sell products too? Perhaps you could give all of us your operating costs, and detailed account of where everything goes, and it's price. Then we could help. Vague letters like the one you've shown (I'm not on this site but maybe a few minutes every other day), don't really say anything to me, because I am not that involved here. I do my own projects to get the liberty message out. (lol, i couldn't keep my own documentary about Dr. Paul on the front page for more than 2 days here) So, let us know your daily paul daily costs, other than some emotional letter, and we can all work on it for you.


When did common sense become a super power? –Patrick F. Holman


I think this site has played and continues to play a key role in the Liberty Movement, helping make it much stronger than it might otherwise be.

At the same time as Dr. Paul advises we should "have fun" :D

I'd hate to see you being dragged down and not having fun in life, especially if a key source of that was this site.

I've never run a web community, but I do have a web development background. My thoughts of possible solutions are along the lines of automating more. I don't know how much of your time this site takes up, but that might help. For example, I mostly view the "most recent views" section to see what topics interest me. The "newly commented sidebar" is secondary. I know you tried experimenting with a more user-voted approach to home page content before. I think the only thing that was lacking was the nice large size video embeds etc. a more moderator/custom edited front page has, but maybe that could be automated too.

The second idea is having someone else run the site for you for a while. There is a fairly web savvy group here. People could take turns, say a few months at a time, giving you a break. It's no fun getting burned out of any task. That can drag anyone down. Hopefully these thoughts can help toward a solution. Let me know if I can help further.

EDIT: a third idea is to have a separate forum section of the site for administration and help in running the site. That way you might get input/help in dealing with problems you might now tackle yourself like software bugs, hacking, legal issues etc. Like I said there is a pretty resourceful group here you might tap into.

The only Constant is Change itself.

I have to admit, that I too have had thoughts recently of "moving on" and finally taking some Well Informed action in my life. The DP has been a life-changing and valuable tool for me. These last (almost) 2 years on here will stay with me for the rest of my life and I have nothing but gratitude and appreciation for that.

Some things simply have a temporary purpose, like training wheels on a bicycle. They helped you get your balance and built up your confidence that you are able to just go out and do it on your own now. If you still keep the training wheels on they will only slow you down and even limit you on being able to navigate the world around you.

I know that time for me is approaching. I don't know when exactly but I can feel it coming.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The world doesn't want to be saved it wants to be subsidized.

I have come to learn this.

This guy nailed it.

If the world (people), think they can get subsidized, they will not contribute effort or positive and productive energy.

People are wired for two things;
1) Self interest
2) Recognition
This writer that Nystrom is 'using' to vicariously express his own feelings has illustrated what the world looks like when Self interest and Recognition have been perverted.
The writer expresses the sense of 'drain' on his energy and the irritation that the 'looky-loos' and the 'spectators' bring.
What am I saying?
When I have a job to do, a paycheck to earn or a bonus at stake I am very interested in the outcome.
When I have worked hard to make something excellent, I appreciate the recognition people express.
The personal investment causes me to bring energy and enthusiasm to the party naturally.
So what did I get out of this dramatization of Nystrom's?
I got confirmation that I am on the right track of creating an environment where people can prosper and be recognized for hard work that effects the lives of their partners in a common venture.

Just in the last 24 hours I have been making good on something I shared here back in October. And I said back in October, I would make my move around the holidays when things are slow and sellers are anxious, in real estate.

I have been negotiating the acquisition of a 'town' in Pennsylvania called Foxburg.
I'll let these excerpts from our communications speak for themselves;

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:33:25 AM
Subject: 615 Riverstone Lane - Additional Information
As per our conversation yesterday, I'm providing additional information regarding the Riverstone Estate and the town of Foxburg:
There is not an oil/gas lease on the property, and all mineral rights are included
The town is also for sale for $5,500,000 consisting of retail businesses: restaurant, hotel, sandwich shop, candy store, wine store. The library, church and post office are not included.
Annual net income from the businesses owned by the seller is $350,000.
There are several small houses and lots in the town that are owned by the seller.
A 46 acre parcel is for sale on the opposite side of the town along the river - price $899,000 (not owned by the seller)
A new sewage plant services Foxburg and Richland Township and 200 new taps are available. Foxburg has its own water supply system.
The Riverstone Estate is located in Richland Township
Please let me know if you have any other questions. I will be at the estate tomorrow.
Thank you for the concise summary.
It amazes me that I couldn't get this from Drew but here it is today, like magic.
While I don't have much time to get into this right now, the timing is perfect with your pending visit to inquire
about any furnishings and/or art work that makes the property what it is.
I'm not bargain hunting or looking to 'rob' the Steffee's.
Rather I want to preserve and continue to build on what they have so painstakingly done.
Therefore I am interested in seeing an inventory and a ball park value.
A listing of;
~ Artwork
~ Furnishings they feel are integral to the decor, especially the main house.
~ Collections i.e. Carriages, Farm Implements, Relics, etc.
~ Farm equipment (modern)
~ Any other category of River Stone assets
I realize the list is long and it takes work to reduce all of these things to writing but I have always been interested in keeping the package together as much as possible to preserve and expand upon. These are the elements that make River Stone what it is. It is a living work of art and as such must be preserved.
I'm not going to 'haggle' over these items. I sincerely want to know what the Steffee's have in mind so that I can plan accordingly.
I already have a figure from Drew on the operational expenses so don't spend time on that. I don't need it.
As far as seeing the property, I may not see it before I make my offer.
I've researched the town, the property, the politics etc. I know what I'm after. And as I said on the phone, some other opportunities have come available to us that make the I-80 corridor more workable for us.
At this point I sense the Steffee's have had the time they need, and are ready to transition. Between you and I, I don't believe that was the case when I last inquired.
FYI, We are evaluating three 'hubs' to concentrate investment. They involve the acquisition of legacy properties, the collector car business, agriculture and motorsports. We will chose one from the following areas;
North Strabane
Foxburg is a reasonable distance via copter, from Pittsburgh International Race Complex, Wampum, PA.
It also has the advantage of the collection of Dr. Steffee's commercial businesses and the available 46 acres on Railroad Street for a collector car museum.
As always, I assume you will keep these comments confidential. I share this with you to give you a sense of our plans and to invite any insights or advice you might offer.


That is a very cool project.

Looking forward to seeing how it unfolds.

Debbie's picture

Yes, I remember that project B-Trader. It looks very

interesting indeed. Please do keep us updated! Merry Christmas to you and your family.


Debbie, Here's your update: 12/21

The real estate agent spent the entire day today with the sellers.
They worked on coming up with a package price for the Estate, furnishings, relics, art work and farm equipment.
Then there are the retail businesses in Foxburg; Hotel, Restaurant, Wine Cellar, Chocolate Shop and Sandwich Shop.
I have a meeting with her tomorrow afternoon.
Just about every business highlighted in this video was built by Dr. Steffee who owns River Stone


fireant's picture

Michael, I'm due, past due probably, to send you a check.

It is very difficult to spare the occasional c-note, but I am happy to help support this site. I am hesitant to do so however, if there is doubt in your mind about keeping DP going. As hard as money is to come by for me, I'd hate to send some, then log on to find it shut down or sold. Maybe I'm being niggling. I can accept that criticism if leveled. But please make your decisions soon, and I'll forward some $ once you confirm you will keep it going.
Best wishes with your decision making, Merry Christmas, and a prosperous New Year!

Undo what Wilson did

I would think either Rand or

I would think either Rand or Ron would have interest in buying this site, we could all be on our best behavior till the deal is done ;-)

This is what altruism's all about Mike, throwing your pearls before swine and not even getting a pork chop in return. (Frank O Connor quote)

Michael your life in jelly beans

Love the DP,

But here you go


Alot of my jelly beans go to the DP.

Longing for the Bull Not Bull days?

Better yet, depression 2?

Love the DP. It ain't soft.

DP is "Louder Than A Bomb" and I bet it's tiring.

"Freedom Is A Road Seldom Traveled By The Multitude." - Frederick Douglass

I think that is what I like about it

Despite what brings people together here, the diversity of the crowd is huge and thus it gets rather loud. It gets rather boring at other sites.

Free, free, set them free...

Do you need a push Michael? I'd hate to be the guy blamed for bringing down the DP... but it would be okay if it disappeared.

Stupid Sting is singing in my head "Free, free, set them free..." But I don't know if we would be setting you free or the other way. Probably both.

There is a lot to say, think and feel on the subject...

In my life, I have been at my most creative/productive after 'taking that final step' and cutting ties to the thing I finally realized was dragging me down.