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How Many Folks Here Are Prepared to Ride Out 3 Months of No Stores/Gas Stations Open?

Just curious, don't know how many country folk versus city folk here, but if something struck like a Hurricane Sandy in the heart of the city as well as country, how many folks have enough food, water to get by if it was a huge mess and electricity was out, water systems were down, and all the stores closed? Say, 2-3 months. Some places in NYC still had no lights a month after. That's the heart of New York and people are sitting in the dark guarding their apartment lobbies.

If you are smart you can be quite well prepared for an investment of a few hundred dollars per adult.

I have found that it is the easiest thing in the world by buy enough canned goods for each person to eat for three months, if you shop smart. Beans and canned veggies are cheap by the box, and it would be boring, but it would give you all you need, combined with, say, a half dozen boxes of powered milk to sprinkle in for complete protein and vitamins, and/or powered eggs, also cheap as heck in bulk at Walmart.

A large store of canned food automatically eliminates the cooking problem should the gas or electricity for your stove go out.

Water: You can't assume you will always be able to drink what's coming out of the tap, if you are on a town water system. That's what terrorists would go for, and if it gets polluted you need a way to purify it. You will die for lack of water long before lack of food. You also need to brush your teeth and try to keep clean. For starters I just filled plain old filled empty gallon jugs from the tap, and stacked them like a layer cake, with plywood being the frosting between the layers, in a closet. A gallon a day per person is a good number, so for a two month plan, for a family of 3, that would 100 gallons. For longer term I have done all the research and Berkey water filters win, the best you can afford. It's an investment in peace of mind. The good ones don't just take out bacteria, but also heavy metals, solvents, and other chemicals. You could put polluted river water by the factory in it and drink it out the other end.

Next the elements. If you are a city slicker in a cold place, what will you do if the heat goes out, and no electricity for a space heater? Your oil/fuel could run out. The first line of defense is lots good blankets, wool or down, and clothes. An arctic sleeping bag rated for for 0-20 degreesF runs from $60 on up, and you can fit a kid apiece in one of these with you. For more kids about one per 2 kids will do.

The kind of worksuits construction or road workers wear outside in the winter are another way to stay warm with no heat.

If you want to try heating inside, the safest way is an alcohol stove. You can make one out of paint cans, and buy denatured alcohol in bulk the same place you get heating oil. You can boil water and cook with these too.

Kerosene heaters are another solution, but you'll need to store lots of kerosene and it's expensive. They need ventilation. You cannot store kerosene in an apartment. They can be dangerous around little kids. On the other hand a kerosene heater will warm up a space in no time, at which point you can conserve the heat by taping off a smaller part of a room with plastic, like your sleeping quarters, and getting up warm enough to bed down comfortably then hunkering down, conserving the heat. YOU MUST HAVE IMMEDIATE VENTILATION, AT LEAST ONE WINDOW. Kerosene gives off a low level of carbon monoxide.

Propane camp stoves should not be used inside, especially for heating. They give off significant carbon monoxide, and have no automatic shut-off valve should the flame go out, resulting in an extremely dangerous build-up of propane gas. Also propane should never be stored indoors.

You need all that only if you are in a bitter clime in the winter. Otherwise you go back to old days and wear lots of clothes. Just get used to the fact you won't be padding around in your slippers and jammies till spring.

Food, water, the elements. Those are the big three. Remember food won't keep when your fridge has no electricity, which is why cans is the best strategy. For long term 20 lb. bags of rice and bags of dried beans will give you a lot of food, but now you have to have a cooking set-up, and enough water to use it for cooking. I'd throw in a couple of 20 bags of rice and equivalent beans for safety, any food will be worth gold in barter. Over a long term you can solve how you are going to cook it. REMEMBER, YOU CAN SPROUT RICE AND BEANS IF ITS ORGANIC, (LIVE, MOST COMMERCIAL GRAINS ARE NOT.) That means eat with no cooking. This is one of the best kept secrets in our Walmart, GMO society. Just keep it in old coffee cans or other airtight storage. The 20 lb bags of rice at Walmart are ok in the thick-gauge plastic.

What else? This is where it gets fun. Use your brain to come up with the thing other people didn't. A good list of basics is here:

- Fifths of hard alcohol, even if you don't drink. It will be like currency, and buy you ammo or even a rifle from a neighbor who's got extra. Also it cleans a wound.

- Antibiotics in case of wound infection. When the hospitals are closed or overflowing, you cannot afford an infected cut which will only get worse.

- Guns and ammo

- iodine, also sterilizes a wound, also kills bacteria in water. If you have a fast stream at high altitude, away from development, a few drops of iodine is probably all you need to make it drinkable. Always scout upstream as far as you can for animal carcasses. The closer to snow melt, the better.

- sulfur. Has many uses.

- Big sheets of plastic. You will find uses.

- Duct tape ha ha! The single most all-purpose invention in the world.

- matches, lighters, a flint and steel, steel wool in case you need to start fires the old way (can anyone find a good youtube here?)

- hand-wind, rechargeable flashlights

- lots of spices so you won't die of boredom from the canned food if the zombies don't get you. Also some spices are healthful and keep your immune system strong, like turmeric.

- seeds

- sea salt, iodized salt.

- first aid kit.

- toothpaste, soap, baking soda stockpile.

- multi-vitamins

- toilet paper/paper towels

- Bibles. Mere survival is not enough. Spiritual life and moral instruction is more important than ever now.

Three months is not long in the real prepper world, but everyone doing this will take the panicked edge off as communities figure out what to do. Store a year's worth of dried rice and beans. If we must rebuild society, and we have seeds, we'll need cool heads and a little time to work with.

Ideas comment welcomed!

Stewart Rhodes, President of Oath Keepers, Legal Scholar Yale Law School, "How to Prepare Your Community for Disaster"

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I have been trying to build

I have been trying to build up supplies but it's pretty hard being in an apartment... Lol. I've been trying to figure out plans for different scenarios but I don't see things going too well trying to ride anything out staying here in south Florida. My "ideal" would be to see the scenario coming in advance by a few days. Enough to get myself and my mom from our places up to Michigan with the rest of my family. This one's a bit much to plan out in advance though lol.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

I'm an apartment dweller too am fairly proud of my space-saving

water jug arrangement, inside a small closet I've stacked 5 by 5 grid of one gallon jugs, stacked 3 layers high using cardboard on top each layer for an even surface. So I've got 75 gallons in a small pad so far, could stack it higher. It's not much, but I won't be panicking right away and go looking for the FEMA buses where they'll "offer" us a one-way ride to a camp, where this time around they can "inoculate" us with some bio-agent and maybe an RF chip ("this won't hurt it's just another shot...")

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I do not have 3 months of gas

I do not have 3 months of gas and i dont think I will try. I have the large items but need to fill in the smaller.

I cannot believe that witnessing Katrina and Sandy that people in large numbers don't store food and water for at least 8 weeks.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

get a can opener

Mechanical kind, not electric. Otherwise, turn can over and rub the top vigorously on some concrete to wear out seal.

Lack of air kills you first, followed by lack of water, followed by lack of food, then shelter. The order changes slightly in some circumstances. Extreme cold can kill before lack of water if not prepared. Prepare accordingly but also consider exposure to risk. Most people store water but if you live close to a chemical plant, perhaps gas masks and rebreathers should be higher on the list.

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A guy I once worked with had

A guy I once worked with had prepared alot, at least with guns. Said he kept a gun in every room in the house and had thousands of rounds of ammo for each caliber he used.(I seem to remember the figure of 20-30k rounds total) He has several kids and he taught all of them how to properly use guns.
While talking to him, I asked him about storing up food. He laughed and then said that in the event something bad happens(really bad, not like a few days waiting), he wouldnt need to store up much food because he would use his guns and ammo and come take everyone elses. haha I found this both comical and disturbing at the same time. This guy lives many miles away from me though.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Right. Like no one else will have guns and ammo and be

watching for marauders like him. I give him a week to live. That mindset will not prevail against organized communities of survival, to use Oath Keepers' term, who'll know his intentions and shoot him down like a dog.

That's the other thing about communities: people tend to know who's who, and what. If at a time of food panic the town sh#tbag and kid-beater comes around my house with his guns, looking to make friendly all of the sudden when he never said a word before, I'll cut him down mid-lawn.

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yes, reservations ARE required!

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You say; "The good ones don't

You say; "The good ones don't just take out bacteria, but also heavy metals, solvents, and other chemicals. You could put polluted river water by the factory in it and drink it out the other end."

Berkey says; "This amazing system reduces bacteria, viruses, volatile organic compounds (VOC's) and trihalomethanes to purification standards and lasts thousands of gallons. Compare the abilities of the purification element in the Big Berkey to any produced by any water filter manufacturer in the entire world and you will see why Berkey is considered the world standard in portable water purification. - See more at: http://www.berkeyfilters.com/berkey-water-filters/big-berkey.html?gclid=CPD1ldy9zLsCFepaMgod2TwAUg#sthash.lIzKbn9E.dpuf"

I'll start by pouring a nice glass of benzene for you, followed by a botulism appetizer for you, and a cadmium arsenic apertif'..for you.

I have read many glowing postings about various water filters, however, none of them simply filter a gallon of water and then boil it away in a stainless steel pot on the stove. After cooling, swipe your finger across the bottom and see if there is any powdered residue.

After all, “There is no accounting for taste.”

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Below-ground water storage seems like a great idea

if entire communities did it they'd be all set for awhile until a new sustainable solution was found or the water infrastructure came back up. Anyone have experience with these?

Underground water tanks
http://www.plastic-mart.com/category/200/underground-water-t...

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What is your recommended water solution?

We are assuming fuel is scarce and straight distillation expensive...

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Great water is usually very expensive in the short run

Sue,

1. Stock up 90 days of water. Historically, folks had a big cistern on the roof so they would have water under pressure. You would pump or carry water up high one way or another, and gravity would provide the pressure for your new-fangled indoor plumbing.

2. A very, very large solar still might be an option in warmer climes. I used a small survival solar still in the Boy Scouts that would barely keep you alive. Sunlight kills bacteria, and the evaporation removes metals but neither method removes solvent contaminants. An osmosis system might work here if your source water was creepy.

3. Roof collection systems like the Aussies and Hawaiian's use are effective but expensive. 3000 gallons is typical. The drastic reduction in coal burning in the United States very recently will help clean up our already very clean air. (According to WHO, the USA has the 6th cleanest air in the world)

4. Park your digs on top of a particularly clean well water source and drill a well. Remember the Alamo!

My well goes down 20 feet under the building with the pump inside, and hits an unlimited supply of Lake Michigan water filtered through five miles of sand. It tests better than bottled water. To ride out a 90 day SHTF, I just need 90 days of generator fuel to pump the water. I've got a 12 volt pump as a backup. I could probably install a cast iron hand pump if the generator or electric pump failed.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Rainwater is basically distilled water I believe and therefore

very pure. The problem is how to collect it when it is falling and store it. Any clever solutions on a youtube that someone has come up with? I am always amazed at the ingenuity of regular folks thinking of something and throwing it up on a youtube.

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A few things we are doing

One thing I would suggest is learning herbs what there uses are,
Herbal Antibiotics: Natural Alternatives for Treating Drug-Resistant Bacteria get a good book on it.

Also Colloidal Silver Generator and you can make it cheap
here is a link but research it for yourself make sure you think it is safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNtk3w3ZzA

We are out in the country so we are going with aqua phonics as food supply so we can help others as well as ourselves.

Were building a dugout greenhouse because it's cheaper.
Raising goats for milk and we are considering raising buffalo.

We are building a bio gas generator for our fuel and electric
needs.

I don't think arming ourselves is the answer I think helping each other is. That is how people got through the depression.
If we each help someone and families in need we will all
get through this together and restore our country.
So the more self sufficient we all become the more we can help each other.

If your in the city look up the 4ft garden get seeds and grow lights then you take bad weather or short growing seasons off the list of things that can go wrong.

We may get the opportunity to restore our country remove the FED
get out of the U.N. and follow the Constitution and get a Government that actually serves the people as it is meant to.
God bless America again

Are goats easy to raise? I know they eat anything

but are they susceptible to disease? I'm guessing their immune systems are pretty tough. Like the meat unless you stew it all day in hot oil then yum! (roll it up in a tortilla with hot sauce then wash in down with beer and tequila)

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forgive my ignorance, but what is the colloidal silver

good for? Also I watched the video, where do you get the silver strips?

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Enjoyed your comment.

I like the idea of helping others get through this, but I would not discount arming yourself, no one else has the responsibility of you and your loved ones defense and protection. Just in case, prepare for the worse.

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson

I had given that alot of thought

re loaders castings I can build my own.
But I still believe the old line from the Rambo movie.
The most dangerous weapon is the mind.
We are better off convincing our brothers and sisters of the error
of being a blind follower and joining us.

If you think about all of the bad will caused by our Government with
other countries, what happens if there was a war here.
Other countries that don't like us would probably use that to there advantage don't you agree?

I still believe in that old saying United we stand divided we fall.
Of course there always evil people that much more reason to watch each others back.

Got your back!

I'd have your back if the situation called for it.

The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson

Have a good means of travel

Pack your crap and go.

If the SHTF you do not want to be 200 miles from civilization.
The SMART people from Katrina GOT OUT!
The bigger the disaster the more important it is to get out quickly. If the stores across America were all closed for 3 months, they would never reopen.

Get a diesel truck with an extra tank mounted in the box.

You have 2-3 days max to get out of the city, Katrina was a good lesson for that. Then things descend into a nightmare quickly. Dog eat dog.

Look up distant relatives who own a farm in the middle of Nowhere'sville. Bring plenty of booze and cigarettes: these will be the new money.

Other things you want: Compass, maps, rugged well made shoes/boots, spare parts for your truck/car (fan/alt belt, fuel filter, oil filter, spare oil, spare light bulbs, etc) If you break down there will be no tow truck or mechanic. YOU are the mechanic.

Hacksaw, woodsaw, simple set of wrenches, warm clothes you can dress in layers with (chances are you are going somewhere colder than you are now).

A small utility trailer wouldn't hurt. Print out and file HOW-TO manuals on first aid, mechanical repair, electrical repair, and projects such as homemade wind and water turbines, how to make and use a still, how to construct simple wooden structures, roof repair, etc.

Lastly, don't try to live the mentality "I can last until..."

Instead, use the mentality "this is our new life"

You will be much better off.

If society smartens up and there is mass preparation on basics

...we can outmaneuver the engineered collapse the bankers have in store for us. It depends on pushing the message down to the deepest urban level. Wouldn't it be something if the food riots and looting had a lot of the steam taken out because people learned to store closets full of cans and water? There will still be some, but the basic social fabric could hold together as we deal with the roaming, violent idiots who didn't prepare.

The bankers want an excuse to crack down, erase what's left of the Constitution, and send us all to FEMA camps where they can get rid of all this "excess humanity."

When you have lived like there is no tomorrow and believed the Southern Poverty Law Center that you should laugh at preppers, and consider them terrorists, That's fine, that's your right. But when you are starving prepare to be shot on site if you come after me or mine. Nothing personal.

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Excellent Post

Three months is a good short term target for basic necessities.
I believe Lawmanjed is correct, recovery could take a few years.
You should hone your gardening skills now. Most gardens here died off in August, I picked tomatoes after the second frost in October and ate the last one just a week ago. I'm still picking broccoli, carrots and onions and we have had several days with temps in the teens. Along with my seeds are enough pesticides and fungicides to produce for one season and I'm transitioning to organic methods. I have extra jars and more importantly lids for the next canning season. These heirloom vegetables supercharge the brain and body.
The Stewart Rhodes video is spot on.
I have the good fortune of living at the headwaters of the eastern US far from the big cities. My parents grew up during the great depression. I asked them what is was like living through that and they said they barely knew it was happening as they were self sufficient. Lately I have been working on rocket stove designs. Combining the old skills with the new, hopefully I can fair as well as my parents did during the last collapse.

Getting people to think about 3 months turns naturally to

them thinking about 6 months or a year. You have put your head into a different space. Ride out winter and city people will turn their attention to rooftop gardening and canning, I have a friend who says he grows tons of food inside his apartment, using a high density lay-out and knowing exactly what plants are the best. Also fire escapes are a great place to grow food. Learn rabbits or squib raising on roofs or fire escapes and you've got meat.

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Bring it on...

I am about 90% ready and that is close enough!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

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It feels good doesn't it.

Yes it does...

...now 100% ready!!!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Hard to ever be "100%" ready though, right?

I mean, you never know exactly what's coming.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I am still 90% in preparation ready but...

mentally I am 100%!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Good stuff

What are you planning on using for antibiotics?
infection is a big concern in this scenario.

I simple cut could turn ugly.

Bump... Excellent post.. Good questions and points...

I was renting a house right on the beach in CT, when Hurricane Sandy hit. I lost my landscape business, the house, everything.

I stayed at friends' houses for a month, then a hotel for another couple weeks, until moving in with family in South Carolina. Have not yet recovered financially. Rescued the neighbor's cat on top of that, and still have him too.

The damage along the entire northeastern coast, was limited to right along the coastline, maybe a few miles in for the most part.

If something like a Madrid fault earthquake were to happen in the heart of the country, or an EMP or major computer virus in the banking system, etc... it could get really bad...

If a disaster happens that encompasses a majority or even large percentage of the population &/or geographical location of the USA, then it may take as long as a year or two to recover, or longer.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

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No body is going to starve to death. Plenty of people to eat.

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