Other Republican candidates exiting the race is bad for Ron Paul
Submitted by Noelle on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 01:18
Paul supporters seem to be celebratory when one of the other candidates exits the race, but to me it appears to be bad news for Paul.The more pro-war candidates that are running, the more the pro-war vote is diluted. Therefore the fewer pro-war candidates running, the higher their vote percentages will be for the individual remaining pro-war candidates. If there were only Paul and one pro-war Republican running, I would think the difference in the percentages between the two would be huge. It would be no contest. It seems to me we should be hoping that as many pro-war candidates as possible, such as Giuliani, stay in the race.
Isn't this correct?
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Your assessment is skewed
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Agree and disagree
I think that it is clear the anti war vote in the GOP is capping out about at about 10-15% unless there are more anti war folks somehow mistaking McCain for anti war than we think!
I think the candidate we would benefit most from dropping out is Huckabee. It SEEMS he is the least hawkish and since his voters really care about the abortion issue, gun issue and are ready for MAJOR tax overhaul, Ron Paul would pick up a lot of their voters.
Get real
The way they are beating each other up and dropping like rats off of a sinking ship, I love the idea that Dr Paul will be the only one left standing and will win the primary.
No, we can't have it both ways
It's too easy for the press to ignore Ron Paul, when there are several others to chase. And it's going to get down to McCain, Romney and Paul. We might as well be prepared. First of all, McCain is on record as being more Pro War than George Bush - that will be his demise. Mitt is a little slicker, but compared to Paul, he lacks governmental experience with economics, and foreign policy, and leadership, and military experience. Mitt may be a Harvard Lawyer, but last time I checked, they don't pass out Medical Degrees for free, either.
alan laney
You've got to beat them all sooner or later.
I think the US is something like 70% anti-war.
Yes, but not 70% of voters, unfortunately.
:-(
Well thought out but completely disagree ...
When the number 1 choice drops out, the race becomes more fluid and people tend to vote with the trend. This creates more opportunity for Dr. Paul as a possibility of a late surge increases.
Think Macro, but keep in mind the micro.
I think Dr. Paul realizes this and that is why he is pacing himself.
WAHOR!!
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It's best that the RINOs drop
Right now, it's like the ugly stage of growing your hair out. It doesn't look as good as it did when it was shorter, but when it finally grows out, it is going to look great!
That's the stage we are at now. It looked good when the vote was diluted among the pro-war votes, but with fewer pro-war candidates up there, it looks ugly. But as more continue to drop, we will reach a point where it will look great for Dr. Paul.
MSM may wish to continue their blackout of Dr. Paul at this point, but they would be foolish to do so if he was 1 of 3 on stage. I can't wait to see how they destroy their credibility!
BS
Read Dr. Paul's messages. We are headed toward a brokered national convention and every time a condidate drops out, it increases the probability of RP becoming the GOP nominee.
Yes, but only if we can WIN 5 States first. RNC Rule #40
was posted yesterday
Point acknowledged,
Point acknowledged, personally working on securing a majority of delegates in CO. It all starts close to home.
Your premise is ultimately W-R-O-N-G
It's simple math...don't try to complicate matters using "New" math. The only way for there to be 2 Republican Primary Candidates is for everyone else to drop out.
Dr. Paul stands to gain more from Thompson and Huckabee fans than the others.
The media will have no choice than to mention Paul's name more instead of always ignoring him.
The Less The Better.
This is what real Competition ultimately does...let the Market decide.
I only wish that Dr. Paul could catch a break now and then and receive even 50% of free publicity as other Candidates get. Paul has to pay for every amount of publicity he can get when it comes to the media.
Imagine if Romney was getting as much public support as Paul at his Speech venues etc...oh well, I hope that Florida will flip the Media on their heads today. Vote for Ron Paul...if you want REAL CHANGE.
When "serious" candidates drop out, it's good for RP!
I disagree. The departure of media-anointed "serious" candidates is the best possible thing for our "quixotic," "long-shot" Dr. Paul. Fred Thompson dropping out was a good thing. 9iu11ani dropping out will be even better.
He's catching on, I'm telling ya!
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Let them drop out, it only
Let them drop out, it only adds to the credibility of Dr. Paul.
Each one that drops out is another one that Ron beats, period.
You don't get to capture wandering republicans if their candidate is still in the race... Let them go looking and guess who they can find?
Drop like flies and let the lost come find the true patriot running for president in 2008.
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I always thought it was bad
for the campaign of the candidates who drop out!
j
John Bernard
Other repubs. quitting makes more work for us!
When the others quit and the MSM doesn't cover RP, a lot of voters get confused and think that RP one of the ones that are out of the race. We have to work harder to let voters know that RP is still in the race!
I've discussed this at length with family
and here is what I have concluded.
We need to have an even number of candidates less than 5 until after super Tuesday.
1) 5 dilutes the vote but the field is too crowded and MSM can easily ignore Dr. Paul
2) 3 will allow the MSM to pit 2 against each other and exclude Dr. Paul (see Edwards' treatment)
3) 2 Dr. Paul vs a Neocon --- No contest. But I don't see Mitt nor Huckleberry dropping anytime soon
4) 4 is the best place for Dr. Paul right now. Few enough that he will be included in reports (because he will generally beat 1 of them in any primary), but not that evil 3 where he can be isolated.
Just my $0.50 (adjusted from 1913)
Keith
Love your $.50 Humour!!
We MUSTN'T get discouraged no matter what outcomes these caucuses/primaries present. Dr. Paul is presenting INTELLIGENT ideas to the hypnotized populace. It may take a while..but the ideas ARE NOT going away..and the ludicrous mainsteam greed/power - based ideas will eventually fall like dominoes. Thank You Ron Paul.
Fred Colvin
True, UNTIL Feb 5th
Yes we need the other candidates to stay in the race to split up the neo-con vote. BUT after feb 5th. If candidates drop out the delegates they won are free to vote for whoever they wish!!!!
That means we have 6 months!! count em 6 to win over delegates from losing campaigns to the light.
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How in the hell can you even think that other Republican candidates exiting the race will be bad for RON PAUL?
How else can he get to a number one spot 'to win' unless the others get off the toilet first?
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War Is One Issue ...
As hard as it is to believe, war ranks well down the list to many voters.
These voters split along other lines; socialy and economicaly in ways where we benifit from the dwindling field ...
The Smaller the Field...
The More Obligated the MSM is to cover Dr. Paul. especially when there are high turn outs and delegates for Dr. Paul...say after Super Tuesday. Money on hand is another undeniable fact that has to come into play. Dr. Paul and Romney are the only ones with any. This game is played until May. Only those with the assets will have the legs to make the finish line. I expect a 3 man race after Super Tuesday and then a Brokered Convention in Minneapolis. If the Paul delegates stand their ground... a Romney/McCain deal will have to be made and the Paulites gain substancial power inside the party. Maybe a cabinet position for Dr. Paul (Sect of Treasury maybe??) and a real success for this movement. All is good in the rEVOLution !!
Totally disagree
They only thing holding this campaign back has been speaking time at debates and media coverage. The less candidates, the more media time (one would think, but I guess that isn't necessarily true). This message will convert people once it's heard.
In Theory
In theory the speaking time would get longer - if it were equal! NBC has already shown their ability to ignore the good Dr. in the last debate. Paul had much more equal time in the earlier debates. It seems to me that as less candidates are in the race - the moderators work even harder to limit Paul's time.
Agreed, but.....
This is due to the fact that with 5 still in it they are still able to label Dr. Paul as a fringe candidate by concentrating on the top 3. If 3 more drop out which is feasible, Huck is out of money, and the evangelical vote only goes so far. Gouliannie is in money troubles as well and has put all his eggs in one basket with regards to Florida and it doesn't seem very promising he can win it outright. Romney has the cash so he is in it for the long haul. Insane McCain is in serious financial trouble too. So if any of these three or two drop out how can the traditional media ignore him then? The MSM are in uncharted waters right now. They didn't expect Ron Paul to have this much money and a continuous flow to keep coming once their blackout was in full effect. Despite this fact we keep donating and therefore force them to come up with another plan that they have yet to develop or at least reveal.
Candidates dropping out is a very very good thing for Ron Paul because it will force the American people to discover his message and as we all know his message is so powerful and honest that it is never rejected once a person is exposed to it. It is merely a matter of getting people exposed to it.
We need to win this thing with boots on the ground, PRECINCT CAPTAINS are invaluable and is the only way to gain the support from the people who are easily swayed one way or the other because they generally do not know why they are even supporting one candidate over another. Most of the American people avoid politics because deep down inside they realize how little they know about a candidates voting record or the issues they represent. Thats why you see massive shifts in these unscientific polls because the people generally do not have a clue. But once these people have been welcomed into the process and finally wake up it is unlikely they will slip back into the abyss of not caring about the political process or avoiding it altogether because they are scared of looking stupid in front of co-workers or friends and relatives. Once empowered with Ron Paul's message people gravitate towards it because it is the gift of knowledge and knowledge is power. Power to dominate an intelligent conversation on politics with anyone they will encounter.
I have found this one simple question to be almost universally successful with my being able to introduce the message of Dr. Ron Paul. I simply ask this question and then shut my mouth and listen to them stumble and that is when i know i have them.
QUESTION: "Who do you support? (to find out who, so in my mind i can prepare myself for rebuttals.) and here is the big finale WHY? then i shut up and prepare my thoughts for rebuttal without being rude or condescending. Usually I start with the same opener."i can understand why you would feel that way" or " I can understand why you would believe this to be true", but...
It is pretty easy to get a receptive response after I politely point out to them the reality of their candidates position, and then share Dr. Paul's positions which are far superior to the other candidates so it is a pretty easy product to sell.
Warmest regards,
Stephen Dupont
Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts
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I like when they exit
Americans have been brainwashed by the media and by the education system. When I first heard some of Ron Paul's statements like bring the troops home from Korea I didn't think it was possible. I had to do research to realize how right he was. People think in terms of small, medium and large. Most don't participate in the primaries at all and don't watch the debates. I heard someone yesterday say they don't get involved until it is down to the ones that are chosen from each party. People don't get it. When there were 11 candidates, people heard even less about Ron Paul. He can make a great point about it being down to 5 and he is one of the 5. MSM commentators are even asking how they could ignore him when it is down to 3. People need repeated exposures to Ron Paul's freedom message in order to "get it".
agreed
Ignoring him when there's only 4 of them left starts to chisel away at their credibility ... unfortunately time is running out! So let's continue to PUSH his name out there!
If the economy we not directly tied to the war
If the economy we not directly tied to the war spending you would be correct. This is the big lie that most of the voters are not completely aware of. All wars , especially protracted wars, hurt the economy, therefore hurt the people. The myth that war is good for the economy is probably one of the BIGGEST lies ever told. The fewer candidates left in the race, the easier it will be to draw the correlation between the two, the economy and the war.
If we continue the good fight, and keep our man in the game, the day will come when one, perhaps two , of these Pro War candidates will have to debate Ron Paul on how they can fix the economic problems without addressing the cost of the war. Last night president Bush bragged about cutting $18 billion in pork barrel spending. I almost choked on my popcorn. We are spending twice that amount in Iraq and Afghanistan per month.
The fact is, the less candidates in the race, the more MSM time Dr.Paul will have to explain his common sense economic plan to the people. Less is more in this case.
I'd like to see Rudy win Florida
just to break things up and keep any of the others from breaking out and scooping up enough delegate to win outright.
New Hampshire and Ecuador