55 votes

NDAA 2014, WORSE than 2012, 2013 combined: #WhileAmericaDebatedDucks, Senate 'debated' NDAA, passed It!

The DC Devils just passed it!

NDAA 2014 – Congress rushing to approve even worse Defense bill UPDATE
December 13, 2013 — bunkerville

For two years, the NDAA included provisions that purported to authorize the president of the United States to deploy the U.S. military to apprehend and indefinitely detain any person (including an American citizen) who he believes “represent[s] an enduring security threat to the United States.”

[...]

Section 1071(a) authorizes the secretary of defense to “establish a center to be known as the ‘Conflict Records Research Center.’” According to the text of the latest version of the NDAA, the center’s task would be to compile a “digital research database including translations and to facilitate research and analysis of records captured from countries, organizations, and individuals, now or once hostile to the United States.”

In order to accomplish the center’s purpose, the secretary of defense will create an information exchange in cooperation with the director of national intelligence.

Key to the functioning of this information exchange will be the collection of “captured records.” Section 1071(g)(1), defines a captured record as “a document, audio file, video file, or other material captured during combat operations from countries, organizations, or individuals, now or once hostile to the United States.”

When read in conjunction with the provision of the AUMF that left the War on Terror open-ended and the prior NDAAs’ classification of the United States as a battleground in that unconstitutional war, and you’ve got a powerful combination that can knock out the entire Bill of Rights.

FCUK YOU McConnell! Ya traitorous POS MoFo! Don't y'all love how these assholes do this right before the Christmas recess??

The defense policy bill is “one of the essential pieces of legislation the Senate considers every year,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said this week. The NDAA “is legislation that … puts muscle behind America’s most important strategic objectives around the globe.”

[Benton better be placed there to sink this turtle-looking traitrous POS fcuktard motherfcuker.]

With Just Days to Spare, Senate Extends NDAA Streak

By JOHN T. BENNETT
Dec. 20, 2013 - 12:39PM

WASHINGTON — For the second time this week, the US Senate has sent legislation to the president’s desk that will have a big impact on Pentagon policies and budgeting.

In a vote that ended around 11:40 p.m. Thursday, the chamber voted 84-15 to pass the 2014 national defense authorization act (NDAA), which clears the Pentagon to spend $607 billion, including $527 billion in base funding and $80 billion for America’s global operations.

The defense policy bill is “one of the essential pieces of legislation the Senate considers every year,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said this week. The NDAA “is legislation that … puts muscle behind America’s most important strategic objectives around the globe.”

LOL! Oh, this is rich: John 'Manchurian SongBird Candidate' McNutt blames Reid, for why they had to accelerate the passing of a tyrannical powergrab bill! LOLOLOL:

Senate sends defense bill to Obama
It leaves out an amendment by Sen. Gillibrand on sexual assault prosecution.
[FYI: Sen. Rand Paul supported that Gillibrand amendment]

By JUANA SUMMERS and AUSTIN WRIGHT | 12/19/13 11:52 PM EST

The Senate approved a sweeping defense policy bill late Thursday that protects troop bonuses and reforms some ways the Pentagon handles sexual assaults in the military but leaves debates for another day on other major issues, from Iran sanctions to NSA eavesdropping.

The 84-15 vote followed a drawn-out partisan spat that at times appeared to threaten the annual National Defense Authorization Act. Senate Republicans, particularly, fumed about the compromise legislation’s movement through Congress on a fast track, with no opportunity for amendments.
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“It’s a failure of leadership on the part of the majority leader,” Arizona Sen. John McCain told reporters, echoing Republican colleagues who said the accelerated process was designed to prevent tough votes on Iran sanctions and other controversial issues.

“I don’t know what we’re going to do, given the dictatorial fashion in which he’s running the Senate,” McCain added, complaining about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

Bringing home the Military Industrial Complex-bacon: more 'goodies' included for the traitors' bragging rights, to their wannabe subsidized, zombie sheeple socialist constituency:

Sen. Hagan helps pass National Defense Authorization Act
Bill includes provisions to support N.C. military

By Office of U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan, D-N.C.
[Official Press Release from a commie statist fascist: good news peons, got your mil.ind.complex stimulus, right here!]

Published: Friday, December 20, 2013 at 12:58 PM.

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Kay Hagan, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, last night helped passed the bipartisan 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that authorizes funding for the Department of Defense (DoD). Hagan, who supported the bill, successfully included provisions that support North Carolina installations, servicemembers, veterans and their families. Last week, the House of Representatives passed the bill with overwhelmingly bipartisan support.

“The National Defense Authorization Act is critical for North Carolina’s servicemembers, veterans and their families, as well as our many military installations,” said Senator Hagan. “As a Senator from the most military-friendly state in the country, I am committed to ensuring that our brave servicemen and women have the resources they need to effectively execute their mission and remain as safe as possible. I am pleased that my colleagues in the Senate were able to come together and pass this bipartisan bill.”

The NDAA authorizes $370 million in military construction projects at Fort Bragg, Camp Lejeune and New River, including a new Army Reserve Center,a command and control facility for the XVIII Airborne Corps, an operations training complex, a Performance Resilency Center and a Corrosion Control Hangar. The bill also requires a DoD report examining how the Department complies with a law requiring preference be given to domestically-produced textiles and clothing, a critical industry in North Carolina.

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UPDATE 1: The 'other' "While You were sleeping..."-moment

Iran Sanctions Bill to Skip Committee; Hawks Promise Veto-Proof Majority
Reid Allows Bill to Bypass Committees, Vote Likely in January
by Jason Ditz, December 20, 2013

Yesterday’s open letter from Senate committee leaders warning against the Iran sanctions bill appears to have had the opposite effect, as Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D – NV) is said to have decided to bypass the committees outright and could bring the bill to a vote as soon as January.

The bill would impose yet more sanctions on Iran’s oil industry, violating the interim P5+1 deal with Iran and likely ruining ongoing diplomacy with the nation. President Obama has promised to veto the bill, warning it would sabotage the talks and might lead to a war.

Senate hawks like Lindsey Graham (R – SC), for whom that is the entire point, have promised to secure a veto-proof majority of 67 Senators for the bill, and early reports are that some 50 are now looking to be co-sponsors, suggesting that’s a real possibility.

H/T: LittleWing

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UPDATE 2: Sen. Ted Cruz explains WHY he, rightfully along with Rand and Mike Lee along with a few others, voted AGAINST the 2014 NDAA

Cruz Warns: 2014 NDAA Still Gives Obama ‘Indefinite Detention Without Due Process’ Powers
Says it “does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected

Adan Salazar
Infowars.com
Saturday, December 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Texas Senator Ted Cruz was one of a handful of legislators who took a stand against the renewal of the National Defense Reauthorization Act this week by refusing to sign onto the legislation, which Cruz says still contains wording allowing President Obama to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens absent of due process.

“Just voted against NDAA because it does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected,” Cruz tweeted Thursday evening.

The legislation passed the Senate in an 84-15 vote late last Thursday night and “clears the Pentagon to spend $607 billion, including $527 billion in base funding and $80 billion for America’s global operations,” reports Defense News.

According to Cruz, the bill contains many provisions he supports and even introduced, including provisions requiring “an independent investigation into reports of religious discrimination against troops sharing their faith,” and one insisting on “Improved assistance for widows of troops killed in combat.”

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OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE from Ted Cruz's Office

Cruz: NDAA Does Not Ensure our Most Basic Rights as American Citizens are Protected
https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/statuses/413893211896025088
https://www.facebook.com/r.php?fbpage_id=315496455229328&r=111

December 19, 2013 | (202) 228-7561

WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, released the following statement regarding today’s final vote on the National Defense Authorization Act:

"Today I voted against the National Defense Authorization Act. I am deeply concerned that Congress still has not prohibited President Obama’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens arrested on American soil without trial or due process.

"The Constitution does not allow President Obama, or any President, to apprehend an American citizen, arrested on U.S. soil, and detain these citizens indefinitely without a trial. When I ran for office, I promised the people of Texas I would oppose any National Defense Authorization Act that did not explicitly prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens. Although this legislation does contain several positive provisions that I support, it does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected.

"I hope that next year the Senate and the House can come together in a bipartisan way to recognize the importance of our constitutional rights even in the face of ongoing terrorist threats and national security challenges. I look forward to working with my colleagues on the Senate Armed Services Committee toward this common goal."

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++ Note: Cruz thanks Mike Lee, but not Rand in the following:

Sen. Cruz: There are bipartisan achievements in NDAA bill we can be proud of
Worked with both Republicans and Democrats to bolster national defense, strengthen religious liberty protections, combat sexual assault, and assist veterans

December 20, 2013 | (202) 228-7561

WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, yesterday voted against final passage of the 2013 National Defense Reauthorization Act (NDAA), fulfilling his promise to oppose any NDAA bill that does not explicitly prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.

However, there are several bipartisan provisions in the final bill that Sen. Cruz introduced or advocated alongside both Republican and Democrat Senate colleagues. Collectively, these provisions represent substantial progress on vital priorities.

“Unfortunately, the final outcome of the NDAA bill included provisions that made it impossible for me to support; specifically, Sen. Harry Reid refused to allow a vote on any amendments to protect the Due Process rights of American citizens not to be subject to indefinite detention," Sen. Cruz said. "Nevertheless, there are significant bipartisan achievements in NDAA bill that bolster our national defense, strengthen religious liberty protections, combat sexual assault, and assist our veterans."

"It was a pleasure to work with my colleagues on these efforts, particularly Senators Lee, Cornyn, Gillibrand, and Donnelly," Sen. Cruz continued. "I look forward to working with them all again next year on this reauthorization bill to further support our service men and women and to strengthen our national defense.”

Measures in the final NDAA bill that Sen. Cruz introduced, personally advocated, or strongly supports include:

Religious Liberty

A Cruz Amendment requiring an independent investigation into reports of religious discrimination against troops sharing their faith (Section 533).
A Lee-Cruz amendment that strengthens the protection of religious liberty in the military (Section 532).
Provision prohibiting the President from selling or transferring the Mount Soledad veterans’ memorial in San Diego to the highest bidder. The ACLU and groups hostile to this veterans memorial have long advocated this transfer (page 298, Joint Explanatory Statement). Sen. Cruz offered a similar amendment on the Senate floor.
A provision that anonymously surveys chaplains on threats to their faith and their work (Section 534).

Benghazi

Language from a Cruz amendment to recognize and commend the State Department’s authorization of the Rewards for Justice program for the terrorists who attacked the diplomatic facilities in Benghazi Libya on September 11, 2012 (Sections 1206, Joint Explanatory statement).

Fort Hood Terrorist Attack

Language from Sen. Cornyn’s amendment, co-sponsored by Sen. Cruz, authorizing the Purple Heart to victims of the Fort Hood terrorist attack (Section 565).

National Security and Missile Defense

A Cruz amendment to direct the Secretary of Defense to address the growing threat of a missile attack from the Gulf of Mexico or the southern hemisphere through bolstered missile defense capabilities (Section 238).
A Cornyn amendment, supported by Sen. Cruz, to prohibit the Department of Defense from using taxpayer dollars to purchase Russian-made helicopters (Section 1255).
Prohibition of moving Guantanamo detainees back to the United States (Section 1034). Sen. Cruz introduced an amendment in the Senate Armed Services Committee markup to authorize the Department of Defense to transport medical supplies or needed personnel from the U.S. to Guantanamo Bay in order to prevent detainees from being transported to the United States for medical care.

BRAC

Prohibition on a new Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) round (Section 2711). Sen. Cruz won adoption of an amendment in committee markup that would have required DOD to conduct an overseas BRAC study before even considering a domestic BRAC round.
Protection of Servicemen and Women and their Families
Protection for graduates of home school education to ensure they are not discriminated against in joining the military (Section 573).
Improved assistance for widows of troops killed in combat (Section 633).

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I was asking myself..I wonder what this is smoke and mirrors for

You liberty patriots have got me thinking a certain way. The government has a tell. They put on a show to distract from the real work they're doing. Like a classic magician they distract so they can control.
I wouldn't sound so conspiracy theorist if they didn't have very much to hide. I wouldn't sound so conspiracy theorist if they didn't veil so much in secrecy.
I knew they were up to something I just didn't know what. And all my Christian friends just buy into it and think the real work to be done is to call A&E or Cracker Barrel.
When I talked about NDAA 2012 nobody knew what I was talking about.
Bread and Circus while they scheme to take away all our rights legally.

If we only hadn't discussed Duck Dynasty,

this never would have happened.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Whether you like it or not , the MSM really is the Fourth Branch

of Government. The try to hide all the stories that are really big, such as NDAA, behind more flashy news of movie and TV stars. I don't blame the Robertsons for this, either. A&E started and fanned the stink mostly by themselves, with some help from the Gay lobby.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

awesome post

thanks!

Official Daily Paul BTC address: 16oZXSGAcDrSbZeBnSu84w5UWwbLtZsBms
#standwithrand

quite

welcome, as always.

Merry Christmas, y'all!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Update: Cruz explains why he voted AGAINST the 2014 NDAA

UPDATE 2: Sen. Ted Cruz explains WHY he, rightfully along with Rand and Mike Lee along with a few others, voted AGAINST the 2014 NDAA

Cruz Warns: 2014 NDAA Still Gives Obama ‘Indefinite Detention Without Due Process’ Powers
Says it “does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected

Adan Salazar
Infowars.com
Saturday, December 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Texas Senator Ted Cruz was one of a handful of legislators who took a stand against the renewal of the National Defense Reauthorization Act this week by refusing to sign onto the legislation, which Cruz says still contains wording allowing President Obama to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens absent of due process.

“Just voted against NDAA because it does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected,” Cruz tweeted Thursday evening.

The legislation passed the Senate in an 84-15 vote late last Thursday night and “clears the Pentagon to spend $607 billion, including $527 billion in base funding and $80 billion for America’s global operations,” reports Defense News.

According to Cruz, the bill contains many provisions he supports and even introduced, including provisions requiring “an independent investigation into reports of religious discrimination against troops sharing their faith,” and one insisting on “Improved assistance for widows of troops killed in combat.”

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OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE from Ted Cruz's Office:

Cruz: NDAA Does Not Ensure our Most Basic Rights as American Citizens are Protected
https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/statuses/413893211896025088
https://www.facebook.com/r.php?fbpage_id=315496455229328&r=111

December 19, 2013 | (202) 228-7561

WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, released the following statement regarding today’s final vote on the National Defense Authorization Act:

"Today I voted against the National Defense Authorization Act. I am deeply concerned that Congress still has not prohibited President Obama’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens arrested on American soil without trial or due process.

"The Constitution does not allow President Obama, or any President, to apprehend an American citizen, arrested on U.S. soil, and detain these citizens indefinitely without a trial. When I ran for office, I promised the people of Texas I would oppose any National Defense Authorization Act that did not explicitly prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens. Although this legislation does contain several positive provisions that I support, it does not ensure our most basic rights as American citizens are protected.

"I hope that next year the Senate and the House can come together in a bipartisan way to recognize the importance of our constitutional rights even in the face of ongoing terrorist threats and national security challenges. I look forward to working with my colleagues on the Senate Armed Services Committee toward this common goal."

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Sen. Cruz: There are bipartisan achievements in NDAA bill we can be proud of
Worked with both Republicans and Democrats to bolster national defense, strengthen religious liberty protections, combat sexual assault, and assist veterans

December 20, 2013 | (202) 228-7561

WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, yesterday voted against final passage of the 2013 National Defense Reauthorization Act (NDAA), fulfilling his promise to oppose any NDAA bill that does not explicitly prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.

However, there are several bipartisan provisions in the final bill that Sen. Cruz introduced or advocated alongside both Republican and Democrat Senate colleagues. Collectively, these provisions represent substantial progress on vital priorities.

“Unfortunately, the final outcome of the NDAA bill included provisions that made it impossible for me to support; specifically, Sen. Harry Reid refused to allow a vote on any amendments to protect the Due Process rights of American citizens not to be subject to indefinite detention," Sen. Cruz said. "Nevertheless, there are significant bipartisan achievements in NDAA bill that bolster our national defense, strengthen religious liberty protections, combat sexual assault, and assist our veterans."

"It was a pleasure to work with my colleagues on these efforts, particularly Senators Lee, Cornyn, Gillibrand, and Donnelly," Sen. Cruz continued. "I look forward to working with them all again next year on this reauthorization bill to further support our service men and women and to strengthen our national defense.”

Measures in the final NDAA bill that Sen. Cruz introduced, personally advocated, or strongly supports include:

Religious Liberty

A Cruz Amendment requiring an independent investigation into reports of religious discrimination against troops sharing their faith (Section 533).
A Lee-Cruz amendment that strengthens the protection of religious liberty in the military (Section 532).
Provision prohibiting the President from selling or transferring the Mount Soledad veterans’ memorial in San Diego to the highest bidder. The ACLU and groups hostile to this veterans memorial have long advocated this transfer (page 298, Joint Explanatory Statement). Sen. Cruz offered a similar amendment on the Senate floor.
A provision that anonymously surveys chaplains on threats to their faith and their work (Section 534).

Benghazi

Language from a Cruz amendment to recognize and commend the State Department’s authorization of the Rewards for Justice program for the terrorists who attacked the diplomatic facilities in Benghazi Libya on September 11, 2012 (Sections 1206, Joint Explanatory statement).

Fort Hood Terrorist Attack

Language from Sen. Cornyn’s amendment, co-sponsored by Sen. Cruz, authorizing the Purple Heart to victims of the Fort Hood terrorist attack (Section 565).

National Security and Missile Defense

A Cruz amendment to direct the Secretary of Defense to address the growing threat of a missile attack from the Gulf of Mexico or the southern hemisphere through bolstered missile defense capabilities (Section 238).
A Cornyn amendment, supported by Sen. Cruz, to prohibit the Department of Defense from using taxpayer dollars to purchase Russian-made helicopters (Section 1255).
Prohibition of moving Guantanamo detainees back to the United States (Section 1034). Sen. Cruz introduced an amendment in the Senate Armed Services Committee markup to authorize the Department of Defense to transport medical supplies or needed personnel from the U.S. to Guantanamo Bay in order to prevent detainees from being transported to the United States for medical care.

BRAC

Prohibition on a new Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) round (Section 2711). Sen. Cruz won adoption of an amendment in committee markup that would have required DOD to conduct an overseas BRAC study before even considering a domestic BRAC round.
Protection of Servicemen and Women and their Families
Protection for graduates of home school education to ensure they are not discriminated against in joining the military (Section 573).
Improved assistance for widows of troops killed in combat (Section 633).

###

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I applaud Cruz for standing

for what is right, but I still get this horrible gut feeling which has never failed me. If he is indeed true, he will remain in the Senate and continue to fight for us. If he runs for high office, all bets are off.

http://www.dailypaul.com/300348/senator-ted-cruz-and-wife-he...

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

yup; as the saying goes,

though as cliched as it maybe, perhaps Sun Tzu-Michael Corleone phrase is apt: Keep your friends close, Enemies, closer.

.D

though, this is venturing into the realm of 'reading too much into it' to overt poltico-nerd-wonkdom, but even though Rand too championed and worked with Gillibrand's amendment, Cruz specifically OMITTED thanking Rand Paul's name:

"It was a pleasure to work with my colleagues on these efforts, particularly Senators Lee, Cornyn, Gillibrand, and Donnelly," Sen. Cruz continued. "I look forward to working with them all again next year on this reauthorization bill to further support our service men and women and to strengthen our national defense.”

thought that was wonky hilarious xD

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Guess its time to give my Senators the left foot of dismissal

hopefully more will agree.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

wait.....we remember this.....a childhood game

duck duck duck duck duck duck GAY!

(run around in circles)

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

#WhileAmericaDebatedDucks, Senate 'debated' NDAA, passed It!

You still actually believe they represent us?! The REAL distraction is believing they CARE about their constituency and that OUR voice matters at all.

84-15! Let that sink in real deep. After five years of ideological challenge they still hang like puppets from financed string.

You will not sway these criminals. The NEW hope is not to be raised or found in our institutions of government.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

adendum: While You were Sleeping...

While You were Sleeping: Obama just RE-Declared Martial Law, AGAIN, on May 7, 2013
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Tue, 05/07/2013 - 22:59

Yes America, You've Always lived in Not a De Facto, but a De Jure Police State, since 1933 National Emergencies Act was signed by FDR, and every single year since, when it has been renewed annually by every single subsequent Presidents.

Obama, simply following honoring FDR's Martial Law 'Tradition,' today:

Obama Continues America's NEVER Ending State Of Emergency! This Time Because Of SYRIA!

http://youtu.be/fEdHmPeCHVo

MOXNEWSd0tC0M
Published on May 7, 2013
May 07, 2013 C-SPAN
http://MOXNews.com

While You were Sleeping II: Obama officially RENEWED Martial Law declared by GWB, Post-9/11; Just before Syria PR Speech
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 13:27

Yes, you're under Martial Law, officially. But, y'all knew that already (well, hopefully, most of you were/are), right?

Obama quietly extends post-9/11 state of national emergency

Ned Resnikoff, @resnikoff
1:00 PM on 09/11/2013

.PDF of the GWB's Original "State of Emergency" Declaration from the Official Congressional Record (Congressional Research Service/The Library of Congress)

Twelve years after the worst terrorist attack in American history, President Obama yet again extended his predecessor’s Declaration of National Emergency for another year. The declaration, which was originally put into place on September 14, 2001, was renewed on Tuesday.

“The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues,” wrote President Obama. “For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2013, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.”

The powers provided to the executive branch by President George W. Bush’s declaration include the ability to “detain enlisted members of the Coast Guard beyond their terms of enlistment,” “order any enlisted member of the Coast Guard on the retired list to active duty” and “increase the number of members of the armed services on active duty beyond the number for which funds have been appropriated,” according to a report [PDF] by the Congressional Research Service.

While You were Sleeping I: Obama just RE-Declared Martial Law, AGAIN, on May 7, 2013

Guess what? oBUSHma just renewed the police state, again...'officially' but very quietly; irony of ironies: the 1st MSM source that popped on StartPage search, on this issue? MSDNC.

LOL...er.. .o/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

yeah, I know, right? I guess

my avatar "AnCapMercenary" as in Anarchist/Anarcho-Capitalist-Mercenary was way too much clue that I actually delude voting changes things, or that it wasn't self-evidently rhetorical.

.D

that does it: I'm gonna check out a new manual on sarcasm netiquette from the internetS; seems I suck at this, now!

xD

pardon, it's been awhile since I posted consistently here, and can't recall ever conversing with you.

but, if this IS the first time: well, hello there, Mr. "The Pen!" .D

if so, not that it's required, but guess you haven't read too many of my rather extensive and very public, past threads/posts/replies here, to be familiar with my own views or where I stand on these issues.

it's all good; like I said: it's not like it's some prerequisite, but seeing as how you're making a perception assumption about me, shouldn't assessing the DP membership name plus a quite a few past posts, be in order, before you a-priori make that step?

just sayin'

to wit: you know, kinda like the ones in this thread, alone? notice the time stamp; posted all prior to your reply box:

Rand, did us proud, again!
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:39. Permalink

along with Lee and Cruz...and surprisingly a few GOP: whether it was out of principled shift (LOL, uh, yeah right) or the more likely, political expediency, at least they (the NOT-Paul-Lee-Cruz) are recognizing shifting political winds; not that any of that really matter anyway: it'll only change if the citizenry absolutely refuse to comply and NOT recognize a 6%-'approval' CONgress, as they're utterly illegitimate and 'hijacked' (when were they not??) at this point:

probably,
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:51. Permalink

but then again, 'they don't have any money' yet they continue to 'print' to funny'money' FRN currency to fund it: par for the course, I suppose.o/

never had the benefit of a 100,000fps high speed camera, but suppose this is close as it gets to watching a slo-mo implosion in progress in real-time, in media res; the tyranny train and currency collapse train have long left the building, it's just holding pattern until 'it' happens...whatever form 'it' comes in.

at this trajectory, it's mathematically impossible to stave off a currency collapse, along with their guaranteed response: a more overt, visible policestate (even more so than now), for we're nearing entropy...

yup,
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:31. Permalink

unfortunately, like most statist 'believers'/cultists, even well-meaning good folks among them, probably not until the econ and currency collapse reality FORCE them to be put in a position, to confront their own reality: like any junkie hitting rock bottom...

.o/

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see a pattern?

If interested, the following are slightly more in-depth discussions on my own personal views of the State/the Leviathan, the police state, role or non-role of the state/govt-police:

"mocks" state actors?? always.
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:36.

Yes the uncle did thank them for doing what they're already getting paid to do, but seems more of a genuine courteous personality.

Never understood why the world should go around constantly thanking state-actors when nobody ever goes around seeing a 'need' to thank entrepreneurs.

I thank those around me whether they're family, friends, strangers, or plumbers, mechanics, electricians I contract to pay for their services. But I do so out of voluntary volition and I like to let them know that they should be appreciated.

But no, and especially when one is culturally socially engineered to be TOLD to do so? Somehow can't find a 'need' within me to want to thank a guild of institutionalized 'legalized' gang/cartel of violent thugs thieves and killers.

"this post mocks law enforcement"??

To be blunt: no, not really, but even if so, so what?

They want to act like collectivists and act like a special upper caste in a supposed casteless society, and operate under 'you attack one of us, then you attack all us'-collectivist modus operandi?

If so, then by their own 'logic' if one of them commits a grave crime, cheat, steal, assault, rape, torture, and kill, guess they're all guilty as well.

Can't be a collectivist and protest being treated like one when it becomes PR- inconvenient for them.

Now if they were 'good' collectivists seeing as how keeping around "bad apples" are bad for their entire guild let alone PR image, and their standard protocol is to 'defend and keep them' rather than boot/purge or punish them, they shouldn't be surprised when masses of their citizen employers are less than 'grateful' for their very unnecessary paid existence, especially now that they're routinely assaulting raping and murdering innocent humans everyday.

Long story short, if there ever were an entire profession that NEEDS some well deserved mockin'? It's the state thugs in blue.

Frankly at this juncture in history, I see them as nothing more than a taxpayer-funded Alqaeda with a great statist PR-firm, aka. government.

Oh wait... Al-CIA-da IS taxpayer funded and has a great PR-firm paid for by the taxpayers in the form of govt, aka the White House!

Never mind. LOL

But apropos of your initial point of contention:

[Good. Now, we can all be spared the usual parade of State actors congratulating themselves on what great heroes they are, never ending buffet of empty unsubstantiated platitudes, why we 'need them,' why we should pay them more, why we should give them more toys to oppress and murder us with,' etc. etc. etc.]

I do not see how citing an obvious self-evident truthful reality can ever be considered "mocking."

I too actually concur with mostly what you wrote;
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:10.

true, we fundamentally, philosophically have a different view of police force.

But, history is on my side: police has NEVER been about 'keeping the peace.' Talk about propaganda.

They are what gives statists and monarchies alike, power. It's where their powerless verbal and written semantics alchemy's "rubber meets the road," in the physical plane.

Police are political police, always has been, always will be.

You're never going to resolve this issue, especially with a group that acts like collectivists who fundamentally believe they are the de facto "warrior class," worse, the 'legal' structure as it exists ALWAYS bolster this statist view.

If interested, further details on why I personally believe the fundamental notion of govt "police force" itself should be abolished once and for all (eventually), starting with 'beat cops'/aka. occupying standing army (they wear BDUs and abide by military hierarchy and rank. They ARE the military, especially now that they're all federalized anyway; you're not gonna reverse tyrants: no tyrants in history of humans have ever stopped themselves, from themselves), click here: http://www.dailypaul.com/300666#comment-3212097

'Reversing'/stripping them of powers, is not a feasibility, at least not until a large, massive critical mass of Americans simply have some unlikely overnight mass-catharses and decide that they will absolutely not stand for abuses/assault/beat-downs/kidnap/torture/rape/murder by them. Such awakening would need to happen from the citizenry, politicians, policy writers, rank & file and the command, as well.

So, until all that happens, reversing this current tyrannical statist trajectory is not a realistic reality, at least, there is NO chance in hell that they themselves will do it, voluntarily. It's like try telling the cartels to voluntarily give up their territory, let alone their business. And, they are a cartel: monopoly in initiation of force.

But the coming inevitable currency collapse, which is wholly numerically, mathematically impossible to stave off (at least under the current financial structure)? The 'police force' will be de facto abolished, anyway.

Now, of course, if after the ashes of the currency collapse, the sheeple still maintain the same mindset as before the collapse, and want to be ruled and lorded over, again? Of course, they will come back, exactly as it stands today: further proving my point.

As Ernie Hancock says: "The revolution is between the ears!"

Until the free humanity realize that they themselves are solely responsible for their security and should be able to have choices in commercial security & investigative services of their own, they will always feel the 'need' to be lorded over by a wholly separate caste of 'professionals,' IMHO.

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and...a LOT more, in-depth:

similar wavelength, LawmanJed(i)!
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 00:46

provided, it's all voluntary, think what you're mulling is a wonderful idea!
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 02:12. Permalink

"same wavelength:" ditto that!
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 09/29/2013 - 10:09

Well, as for fealty to the Constitution? That remains to be seen, with this current generation. lol...er.. .o/

Even as someone who leans Anarcho-Capitalist to Voluntaryist/Agorist, I'm not opposed to those using existent political mechanisms, as an educational platform, just as the Doc has for decades. Besides, people will only do what they love and enjoy, and pursue in the manner in which they individually believe is right and enjoy, anyway.

That said, I'm under no illusions as to whether 'reforming' the La Cosa Nostra is ever a realistic possibility nor goal.

My eventual 'hope' is that humanity finally evolves to the point of rejecting the entire psychological notion of 'govt is necessary evil'-PR and the state/the Leviathan altogether, equally as most awake, conscious human souls have come to find slavery an utter moral abomination.

That said, it's multi-generational, and I'm under no illusions that I'll be living in a FULLY voluntary society (beyond those I know and choose to associate with), in my lifetime.

Which is why, I'm mostly concerned with overall trajectories: are 'we' headed in a path toward MORE individual human liberties and freedoms, or more tyrannical?

Seeing as how no one's gonna agree 100% (um, like most everything else in life? lol) on HOW 'we' get 'there,' but apropos characteristic indicative of any 'movement' ie, R3VOLution, if there are a TWO things that I personally do use as a litmus, if 'we' HAD to all agree on something?

1. The Golden Rule/Non-Aggression Principle/Axiom, non-initiation of force: Do unto others...
- follow, abide by, or at the least, respect the morally guiding life-philosophy enough as much as one can to the point of choosing to at least TRY to abide by it, as much as humanly possible

2. That, ANYTHING, or path that leads to MORE individual sovereignty is better, than not.

Beyond those two? I'd say party on!!!

It's all c'est la vie, to me.o)

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Well, hope that clarified for ya, somewhat.D

- Merry Christmas! And, a Happy New Year!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

your acting like

the media would have made a big deal about this. 99% of americans would not have known about the ndaa or what was in it or cared. Americans have this attitude that if it doesnt effect their yard then they dont care, fortunately obamacare does effect many americans directly and that will hopefully bring about some changes. But this would have passed either way.

please read the reply box, right above you:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3294802

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Congress owes $17 Trillion

Congress owes $17 Trillion and gave themselves permission to take it from us.

What people would select representatives who would betray them with theft of that people's private property.

That's illogical.

Free includes debt-free!

Santa Claus impersonators

do, as you say, come out notoriously in December when they sneak in the worse legislation posing as beneficent purveyors promising all the goodies, delivering the opposite. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) did it in 2000 pedaling the ‘promising era of deregulation’ which helped precipitate the economic crisis. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act which Gramm snuck in turned into a derivatives nightmare. Cost to the U.S. $150 billion plus; in this egregious case by the time the masses get past the NDAA assurances and guarantees all nicely wrapped in ‘American muscle’ bows, the loss to their civil liberties will have been immeasurably damaged. Only fifteen nay votes is a huge letdown, but at least we have a record. Good for Rand Paul voting NO.

"In the early evening of Friday, December 15, 2000, with Christmas break only hours away, the U.S. Senate rushed to pass an essential 11,000-page government reauthorization bill…. the Senate tacked on a complex, 262-page amendment at the urging of Texas Sen. Phil Gramm. There was little debate on the floor…Gramm promised that the amendment—also known as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act—along with other landmark legislation he had authored, would usher in a new era for the U.S. financial services industry."

Likewise as deceiving, NDAA 2014 ushers in the horrendous new era of the police state.
www.cjr.org/the_audit/post_140.php?page=all

LittleWing's picture

Please add: The Nuclear Weapons Free Iran Act of 2013

Iran Sanctions Bill to Skip Committee; Hawks Promise Veto-Proof Majority-Reid Allows Bill to Bypass Committees, Vote Likely in January

In addition to imposing new sanctions on Iran, the bill also expresses Senate support for an Israeli attack on Iran at any time, pledging American support to such a war whenever it is launched.

http://news.antiwar.com/2013/12/20/iran-sanctions-bill-to-sk...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

thanks; updated:

UPDATE 1: The 'other' "While You were sleeping..."-moment

Iran Sanctions Bill to Skip Committee; Hawks Promise Veto-Proof Majority
Reid Allows Bill to Bypass Committees, Vote Likely in January
by Jason Ditz, December 20, 2013

Yesterday’s open letter from Senate committee leaders warning against the Iran sanctions bill appears to have had the opposite effect, as Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D – NV) is said to have decided to bypass the committees outright and could bring the bill to a vote as soon as January.

The bill would impose yet more sanctions on Iran’s oil industry, violating the interim P5+1 deal with Iran and likely ruining ongoing diplomacy with the nation. President Obama has promised to veto the bill, warning it would sabotage the talks and might lead to a war.

Senate hawks like Lindsey Graham (R – SC), for whom that is the entire point, have promised to secure a veto-proof majority of 67 Senators for the bill, and early reports are that some 50 are now looking to be co-sponsors, suggesting that’s a real possibility.

H/T: LittleWing

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

AnCapMercenary

1) What part of the country are you located in?
2) This is a spectacular thread. Well Done!
3) I believe if we hold this event in the context of 'The Acceleration of Illegitimate Government's Collapse' we will be energized and mobilized to victory.

somewhere between FEMA region 6...to 9 .oD

ooh... secrecy, secrecy...

hey, here I thought you shunned me Cuda! Shunned, I say! ya Mr. Grumpy big 'meanie' pants! xD

we cool now?

I'm cool; you?

.D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

We were never not cool

Does Tom Brady not contend with Ben Roethlisberger?

What do Titans do?

They clash!

That's what you and I do, you left coaster, you.

I live in Bradshaw country.
Steeler Nation.

All champions contend with other champs; Peyton Manning, John Elway
and my favorite fellow Baltimorean, the late Johnny Unitas.

huh?

left coasters can launch 30 lead volley outta a plastic box mag...anywhere??

don't see no coastlines here, unless Al Gorean icecaps melted and now, I suddenly have an ocean front property.

fine be that way, mr. grumps! but I'm no Titan, I'm a midget from Jupiter, which I suppose would still make you my Titan kitten, earthling!

xD

You friggin' kill me.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

If I 'kill' you then why are

If I 'kill' you then why are u still coding?

"Don't Tweet me Bro'"

Nom et prénom?

No comprende, non sequitur vigora

code killed-actual...

you, no fun, Cuda/

/root

/grumps
/grumps

"killed" thrice! LOL...er.. .o/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I love it and a hat tip to you both.

This is how respect for freedom gets wrested from the tyrants. By people realizing how special it is on an individual level.

Hell, I'm just figuring that out as well, or at least figuring it out on a worldwide level.

There are two kind of people in the world, I stole this from Ernest Hancock (and I don't think he owns it, but it's where I got it), and it is.

"THERE ARE TWO KINDA PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, THOSE THAT WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE, AND THOSE THAT WON'T LEAVE THEM ALONE."

When I read any article, any ... anything. I make my judgment about were I sit on it with that in mind.

But I will add Cuda

You lost me when you started comparing principles of freedom with NFL football players. WOW, what a base of comparison!

I guess I failed

at equating AnCap and BT with 'Champions'.

I was lazy and just grabbed the closest thing I could find.

Mostly I like to provoke AnCap to write stuff because the product is so far ahead of me.

I have this fantasy that one day I will just take 10 hours and try to learn AnCap's techniques.

Never seem to get around to it.

If you are given the opportunity,

I'm sure you will get around to it, sometime.

Are you the one downvote I got? on the comment. :)

AnCap is ahead of many here, and I damn sure appreciate his efforts.

Brother, respect the truth isn't learned in 10 hours.

DP has been infiltrated to the point I don't come here much any more.

But the idea of freedom is exploding. Watch this, and if you think it is worth posting here. DO IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdrQenNATc

I've shared it with a ton of people already.

Karen Hudes has been in the heart of the beast that is killing this country as is coming clean.

I found it, you show your balls to this group to share it.

Otherwise, Merry Christmas,
Base

So, Hagan is selling this pile to her state...

on the case that she got Federal dollars into NC for construction of more war-machine infrastructure, and the economic protection of the military families within NC. Sadly, I believe the public will think this is great...without considering the repercussions. How can we explain to the ignorant masses that this is bad, when all they see is dollar signs?

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry