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"Ho, Ho, Ho, Merry Saturnalia" ...? (UPDATED)

Pagan origins behind many popular Christmas customs:

Ho, Ho, Ho, Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays DailyPaul!

Christmas in America for over a century has been a tradition of giving, sharing, caring, and love. In the Spirit of Christ, we celebrate the birth of Christ. At least that is what it is supposed to be about. Commercialization, 'black friday' greedy shoppers pushing and shoving over teletubbies and pokemon, are not what it is supposed to be about. Or is it?

As a child, I always loved Christmas the most of all the Holidays (including Hannuka, which I, as a child to Christian mother and Jewish father have always celebrated both).
And there is one very good reason why children love Christmas more than any other Holiday, with the possible exception of Halloween...

The celebration of the Birth and Spirit of Christ the Messiah?!
Unfortunately, that is probably not the typical answer a kid would give you.
The answer is most likely... Presents. Toys... and who brings the toys?
Santa Clause!! Of course...

But who is Santa Clause? Where does he, and this tradition come from? Why is he cloaked in red? What is his obsession with children? And why does he come like a thief in the night, through the fireplace, to give your child gifts, or punish them with black coal... or worse?

Santa Clause, aka "Satan Claws" is actually a Pagan demon representative of the 'god' SATURN, aka Kronos, or Krompus, etc...

Yeshua the Messiah, aka Jesus Christ was almost certainly not born in December, but was born in Autumn or possibly Spring. So what is the basis for celebrating in December?
The pagan Roman custom of Saturnalia!
It is a celebration of the winter solstice.
Christmas Trees are also pagan symbolism! Like the Illuminati pyramid, with the 'star' or 'Lucifer' on top of the pyramid!

Please watch this documentary on the pagan History of Christmas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mUg...

And DON'T LET this ruin your holiday! While the X-mas may have began as a pagan holiday, the power of G-d through the Messiah has turned this day from being a day of pagan worship and debauchery, into a day to celebrate the true Lord, and His Spirit of Giving and Caring, and sharing that Spirit with all! Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays!



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Etymology of Santa Claus

The videos are interesting and have elements of factual research, but I confess I had to skim through the incoherent mishmash of conspiracy images in the first video.

But as one critical comment that I would make, whatever one might think of the current commercialized character of Santa Claus, at least provide a more reliable "also known as" name than what seems to be a creative homonym of convenience.

According to the Online Etymology Dictionary,

Santa Claus (n.) 1773 (as St. A Claus, in "New York Gazette"), American English, from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas," bishop of Asia Minor who became a patron saint for children. Now a worldwide phenomenon (Japanese santakurosu). Father Christmas is attested from 1650s.

Santa (n.) 1893 as a shortened form of Santa Claus.

Interestingly, OED provides another etymology for the related term Kriss Kringle:

Kriss Kringle 1830, Christ-kinkle (in a Pennsylvania German context, and as a reminiscence of times past, so probably at least a generation older in that setting), from German Christkindlein, Christkind'l "Christ child." Properly Baby Jesus, not Santa Claus.

Perhaps more interesting is the guy behind this Online Etymology Dictionary. Seems like someone that would fit right in at the Daily Paul.

When etymonline first went up, I wanted it to be anonymous or mostly so. I'd still prefer that. But people sought to know who did it, and what his prejudices might be, as well as his qualifications and methodology. It's a fair demand, so I linked the dictionary to what was then my personal pages and biography, so people could see me for themselves (as presented by me, of course). My political ideas have no future and I keep them to myself unless provoked. They tend toward the -isms that begin with anti-anti- and take root among the kind of people who are steamrolled by developments, murdered by revolutions, and forgotten even in footnotes. I deplore politics based on herd and tribe and demonizing of the other, which means most of it. What else? Dogs and I don't get along. I'm trying to think of qualities that matter to people's weighting of integrity. I haven't watched television since 1994. It might have been '96. I put ketchup on hot dogs and mustard on french fries. When I played World of Warcraft I found I generally chose a rogue. Human. Female. Etymonline is a can-opener, an imaginary labyrinth with real minotaurs in it, my never-written novel shattered into words and arranged in alphabetical order...

I have come to think that

I have come to think that people assume that there was no knowledge before what ever they want to think was taken over by Christianity. I believe that there was a knowledge of GOD - Christianity - before people began to loose that knowledge yet carried it on as best they could. This would be the reason people from many parts of the world have similar stories in their histories. As that knowledge came back to them it actually explained truth.

It also seems to be true Christmas may not be the Birth of Christ but the facts hold true as far as this guy lays it out. Enjoy. And Merry Christmas!

Constantine

Emperor Constantine put a lot of pagan spins on Christianity at the Council of Nicea. This is why worshiping on Sabbath (Saturday) becomes Sun-day.

Tie this in to Electric Universe theory

Learn what all those Saturn "myths" are all about, and understand how Saturnalia became so important to those "primitives."
Our ancestors were not as stupid as we think.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Yes, the ancient Pagans were pretty good at...

...learning the (natural) mysteries and secrets of the creations they worshipped.

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Why the hate? Why the drive-by down-votes?

Why do you NOT want people KNOWING THINGS?!

This is literally about as pro-Christian Christmas as you can get.

I guess some mental-midgets are just emotionally over-sensitive and reactionary. Sorry for posting factual information that YOU DON'T LIKE.

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BUMP for X-mas season 2014...

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This is great and all,

but what a person celebrates is within their hearts. Any story that attempts to tell someone WHAT they are celebrating is pretty silly to be honest. I see people all around me celebrating different things, and sadly it is mostly materialism, waste, and debt. However, as for myself and my family, we are celebrating the GIFT that God sent to us. I don't care what day or month Christ was born, the GIFT and point is that He was born. On Easter, while people claim I am somehow worshiping fertility gods, my family will be celebrating another gift, as in the death and resurrection of Christ, the Son of God, who paid for my sins. People that are in the business of telling people what they are doing, when they have no idea, are simply there to be divisive.

That doesn't mean that I don't understand that we 'latched' on to pagan holidays, in an attempt to make things more relevant and memorable. In fact I think it is fascinating to read of how these special days came to be, and why religious holidays were designated to coincide with them. I find nothing wrong with the absolute truth, as long as you don't fall for the ole fallacy of "this happens on this date, so therefore anything else is fabricated or false." There isn't a worse argument or reasoning for a religion being false than "Moses being placed in an ark is false because it resembles an Egyptian myth about the birth of Horus." I've read them all, and no matter how many times you say it, just because something is similar doesn't equal false. I look on the internet and there are about 30 people that came before me, that share my exact name. Does this mean I don't exist, or that I am false? I don't think so.

Of course I'm not attacking the OP, and please don't take it as that. As you said, don't let anyone let this ruin their holiday celebrations, no matter their beliefs. One mans Santa Claus is another mans Santa Claws. One mans gifts, represent making spoiled kids shut the hell up, while another mans gifts represent THE GIFT that God sent to us. No matter what day or month He came to be, I am thankful for that, and we will celebrate it the best we know how. Love for you all.

You did read my OP, not just the title, right?

Did you miss this part?

"Ho, Ho, Ho, Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays DailyPaul!

Christmas in America for over a century has been a tradition of giving, sharing, caring, and love. In the Spirit of Christ, we celebrate the birth of Christ."

Or this part?...

"And DON'T LET this ruin your holiday! While the X-mas may have began as a pagan holiday, the power of G-d through the Messiah has turned this day from being a day of pagan worship and debauchery, into a day to celebrate the true Lord, and His Spirit of Giving and Caring, and sharing that Spirit with all! Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays!"

And, did you actually watch either of the videos I linked?

It is not that Christians latched onto pagan holidays. It is that ancient pagan traditions and celebrations were kept, hidden and snuck into 'Christian traditions' after Rome forced conversion of their pagan empire to their version of Christianity.

Please just click the video link at the top of the OP and watch the 40 min vid on History of Christmas. Then, if you feel bold and the kids aren't around, click the one at the bottom about Santa Clause being Saturn.

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You did read my entire comment, right? :)

"Of course I'm not attacking the OP, and please don't take it as that. As you said, don't let anyone let this ruin their holiday celebrations, no matter their beliefs. One mans Santa Claus is another mans Santa Claws. One mans gifts, represent making spoiled kids shut the hell up, while another mans gifts represent THE GIFT that God sent to us. No matter what day or month He came to be, I am thankful for that, and we will celebrate it the best we know how. Love for you all."

I totally understand your post, and I was not attacking you by any means. I've been around enough to know that sooner or later the hate filled anti theist will show up to try and kill something they don't even believe in. I find it quite amusing really. It's just the usual DP nonsense. The anti theist come out in droves, especially around such special days as Christmas and Easter. Glad I have better things to do than spend time just going around fighting something I don't even believe in. I would start the anti big foot league, but sometimes I wonder about that one.

Ok, no prob...

I'm definitely NOT an anti-theist, and I share your passion. I'm just seeing this response now as I came to bump the OP for this season.... +1 & BUMP

I do find it important to know the facts and history behind most everything, including certainly important things like our celebrated holidays.

This is more about educating interested people about what Christmas is really supposed to be about; i.e.- the birth of the Messiah. And educating folks about what it's NOT supposed to be about, i.e.- paganism, and commercialism.

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Merry Christmas Eve! bump...

Well, I have not seen this thread pop up. I sit here next to my Christmas tree and stockings by the fireplace. My OP isn't coming from a hostile, critical, or negative viewpoint towards Christmas at all, but is about history, and learning. So I hope it doesn't get buried.

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