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Exactly When Was Jesus Born? Not on December 25.

In all likelihood, He was born in September.

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It almost doesn't matter WHEN

It almost doesn't matter WHEN Jesus was born (I believe Christmas day is a government perversion supported by big business) -- What really matters is when YOU were born -- not of man but of the Spirit of God.
And I've tried everything -- East, West, money, no money, sex, no sex, food, no food, etc.

What matters is when you surrender everything you have, everything you do and everything you are... to Jesus.

That's what matters.
That's what transforms a life into a journey of wonder.

And it's a wild ride.

Enjoy it.

I don't care what day Jesus was born.

I just want to know when Advent, Christmas, and Epiphany are so I can celebrate it all in proper style.

Yes Jesus was born at the feast of tabernacles in September

September was the Seventh month [note Sep(t) = 7] and his cousin John the Baptist was born in the 1st month at Passover. With this information in hand one can find interesting symbolism and parallel foreshadowing of events.

Jesus the literal being, the word, of God dwelling in flesh, tabernacled in flesh, born at the feast in a cattle shed (sukkot).

Non sequitur

I am unaware that either the Christian Church as a whole, any Christian denomination, or any Christian authority ever claimed or even guessed that Jesus was born on December 25. I have never seen Christmas called the anniversary of Jesus' birth. I have, on the other hand, frequently seen triumphant assertions by those hostile to Christianity that they have proved Christianity wrong by showing He was not born on December 25. But it appears they might as well be proving Christianity wrong by showing that there are 7 days in a week, or that Paris is the capital of France. If they are so desperate to disprove Christianity that they depend on a random non-sequitur, one must conclude that they are driven more by rage than desire for truth.

I call it

desperation

Agreed

This is common knowledge amongst most Christians.

You can say Christmas was a conspiracy by the early church to promote Christ over pagan rituals.

I don't see the controversy with that as a Christian and am actually surprised that many on here see this as a big deal.

Did you know that Mother's Day started as an anti-war holiday (mother's demanding their sons come home from war and observance of those that died).

Do we get up in arms now that Mother's Day is a big excuse to buy stuff for mothers?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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We still commenting on this?

We still commenting on this? I really believe that most Christians KNOW that Jesus was not born on Christmas. The "holiday" was co-opted by the early church in order to use what was already a popular tradition to promote the birth of the Savior. Most of the teachers of Christianity know and teach that this was not His birthday.

Actually the act of taking an existing tradition and over the years changing the meaning of it is a pretty good way to promote a message. The day was already used by most people as an important day so why not "transform" it to promote something you find to be important (I think promoting someone who you think is the savior of the world is a pretty important thing to promote...)

Beware the cult of "government"...

I Found Out The Truth 8 years Ago

Everyone is gonna have to find out truth for themselves. I'm not going into the deep research I did to find out the truth. Don't take my word for it, go find it out for yourself.

My problem is that there are so many credible people out there getting out the truth on many subjects, how could they not know the truth of Christmas?

It ticks me off to no end that they keep propagating the lie. Many have admitted they know the truth but continue to follow the pagan ritual of Christmas every year.

How can they in good conscious do it? Just saying Merry Christmas to someone nauseates me. I can't do it. The best I can do is say "have a happy holiday" without throwing up. The worse saying they have come up with is "the reason for the season", gags me.

Two commandments we are told to follow is love God with all your heart, mind and soul. Second is to love your neighbor as you would yourself.

(God already knows we can't follow the 10, so he gave us two.)

Well, I do love God, but I have a hard time loving people who continue to follow the pagan practice and won't wake up to the truth.

How do I deal with this? I can't even allow myself to go visit them during this false holiday because there are certain expectations they want from you.

Someone tell me how I justify celebrating a lie. What reasoning can I use to go thru the tradition by listening to Christmas music, putting up a tree, gathering presents for friends and family and the whole time know that I'm living a lie. How does one do that?

Amen.

Amen.

They Don't

Truly "Born Again Christians" do NOT practice nor partake in any way shape or form for ANY reason practice a something they know to be a lie!

"No lie is of the truth"

Hold fast to that which you know is truth and never waiver!

Peace

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Appreciate the concern

but to be pagan takes a pagan frame of mind.

To be honest on the 10 commandments we can't follow any of them.

Only God can supersede our sin nature in that regard.

As for not celebrating the birth of Christ...I think you are really looking at this in much the wrong way. Halloween was established by the early church to combat paganism and worship during the harvest. Similarly Christmas was used to subvert a pagan holiday (which was not Christmas).

Now many people in other countries think about Christ on this day and virtually no one celebrates the seasons or false idols.

So explain to me again how Christmas is a "pagan holiday"?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

What Christmas is to me ... you might say

I am no expert and I must admit I must rely on information from others. The Bible tells us to search and test what we hear from others to find out if it is the truth. As in an earlier post, I think this guy has done a rather good job of finding some things out about the birth of Jesus Christ and the date of his crucifixion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk
It seems to be backed up by knowledgeable people including past publisher and editor of Scientific American magazine. Maybe I'm wrong in part because he is wrong thinking the guy in the vid offered "wide-ranging and insightful scholarship"? "Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."

Here is my answer to what appears to get everyone tripped up. Is December 25th the birthday of Jesus Christ? It appears not BUT it is the celebration of the birth of the King - The Christ Child. Why? (watch the link above) It seems to be the date the Magi arrived in Bethlehem to offer gifts to the Christ Child. And what is Christmas but a day to in like manner, give gifts to loved ones? The day His birth is celebrated.

You might look at it like this. Lets say your birthday is December 10th. It fell on a Tuesday this year. You wanted to get together with friends so you have a birthday party on December 7th the Saturday before. It sounds to me as though you would not consider it a birthday party because it did not happen on the exact day of your birth. BUT, it is what everyone arrived to do on that day!

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"but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."

Why were the comments section disabled for this video?

What if these counselors in abundance are all wrong? Galileo Galilei was correct. From the Pope on down were all wrong, but Galileo had to spend the remaining 10 years of his life under house arrest for daring to be right. There are an 'abundance' of counselors in Scientology waiting to 'safely' guide people through a maze of courses to finally become "clear." Is this what you would feel good about? The blind leading the blind? If you thought differently about God than many others, you would immediately cast those thoughts aside to conform to others beliefs, the herd mentality to feel safe? Is conformity the most important thing?

Egad! Not a Bible quote!

What I meant by an abundance of counselors is that I do not have the time to do all of the research necessary to try and understand every aspect of this and every other topic I would love to completely understand. I then, unlike yourself perhaps, must rely on others who at least to the best of my understanding appear to have a respectable, knowledgeable, understanding of the topic in question.

Given your statements I hope you can see how it can also be said for those beliefs you hold so dear. With the abundance of your counselors from your public school science teacher, to college prof., to the college or school board that will only allow you to teach the "approved courses" so as to "lead you" to a "clear understanding" of what just might be wrong. I believe there is a saying that if you do not find out for yourself what you are talking about you just might be repeating some one else's ignorance. (Don't take Dawkins at face value) I am sure this is what you think of me, so be it.

One thing I started to add to that post was this I will add now. What if Christmas rather than taking over a pagan holy day was actually taken over by these pagans? What if as posed in the video I linked to in other posts, the Magi did arrive in Bethlehem to worship this new born King on what on our calendar is December 25th? Should that evidence by ignored just because it happens to land close to the date of the winter equinox so important to pagans? Modern Paganism got started in the 1960's a time when here in the USA the attack on America from the political left was really getting into gear. They knew they had to undermine morals and the Christian beliefs and were clearly successful. But again does it hold up to the facts??

I'll stop there and leave you with a little reading from a non Christian.

http://rationalblogs.org/rationalwiki/2013/03/31/no-its-not-...

http://essays.bearstrong.net/2013/05/11/when-the-christians-...

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"..I do not have the time to do all of the research necessary.."

Believe me, it's worth it to take the time to come to a better understanding of the Almighty and our purpose on this planet. Everything that I have learned about religion comes from my own edification and research. Why would you believe that any of these ideas come from the public education indoctrination system? I don't believe any religious ideas are openly discussed in any public school system.

No, I don't believe that Bible quotes are needed here (good one, btw). I like what you said about the Bible telling people to test what they believe, but not just once or twice. The tests should happen over and over again against both groups and individuals. Can whatever we believe withstand the scrutiny of others? If it can fine, but will others change what they believe? If these beliefs cannot, will we change what we believe? Which way IS the way to God is our life journey. Will these beliefs remain in the dogma of the safety net of organized religion or in the consensus statements of religious experts OR will we be able to justify our unique beliefs to the Almighty when the day to do so inevitably arrives? These are the questions that are indeed worth the time for everyone to take to try and answer. Peace.

I think you have a disiginous roundabout way of avoiding it

Its nice to use religion as an excuse sometimes for realities that are much more difficult to accept. The entire holiday is apparently based in pagan tradition.

That means Christmas is a pagan led belief system. I can say for us, we know the real birth of the Lord came more than three weeks prior. I think such things are important for those who value truth.

You are quite silly and judgmental..

Where do you, or anyone else, get the credentials to judge me or what I celebrate at anytime? I celebrate the birth of Christ, as a gift from God, on December 25th each and every year. You can call that date anything you wish, and you can be shallow enough to believe to know what others celebrate, but your judgment means absolutely nothing, nada, and zilcho. You say that you "figured it out eight years ago", well good for you, but your a few thousand years behind, don't you think. Were you a disgusting pagan worshiping fool before you 'discovered the truth'? There are people who celebrate the gift of Christ on Christmas, there are people who celebrate the materialistic and secular "xmas", and there are people who celebrate Saturnalia, and we are not all the same. I hope you understand, as a supposed "Christian", what judgment you take on as a judgmental asshole in this world.

Can you truly tell me what I do, worship, or recognize on the 25th of December? You don't know me, or my family, so I think you are simply pissing in the wind. Enjoy the blowback that comes with being judge and jury of all mankind.

Silly and judgmental typical when faced with logic you go to

child mode. Look the birth of christ was not celebrated by christ and no other birthday is celebrated in your bible.

I celebrate the birth of christ every day. I certianly do not abide by governments telling me when I should have a gobernment holliday.

You insult others to prove your christianity and in fact you only insult yourself.

Every day is Christmass not just when your gov allows or your preist or your pastor or who ever. The point was not the birth but the life of christ.

Dec 25 is a corporate holliday to sell trinkets that were made in some china forced labor prison. Christmass is a black holiday. Celebration of christ is every day. You can give presents to your loved ones any day.

sovereign

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Sovereign Human, you are.

The current Christmas practices and celebrations are the same reasons why Jesus cleansed the temple of the money changers. Logic is anathema for some people. When all else fails, attacking seems to be their only solution.

If people are ignorant of the (semi) pagan parts of Christmas...

Does God really condemn them? Or are they really in sin? Did not Jesus come to change the hearts of men first, not first change their behavior?

Maybe getting a pagan-rooted holiday and transforming it to celebrate the incarnation of Christ with it is the best thing we can do, even if it is not timed correctly on the calendar in comparison to actual events.

It's not that big a deal

Its a worldly holiday. Like any other. Enjoy it in as Christian a way as you can. But maybe go easy on the Santa stuff, who is a thinly-disguised Satan!

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

The only thing I am convinced of is that . . .

He wasn't born in the winter--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

We set aside Dec 25th more than ten years ago...

...because God was pretty clear about not mixing holy with unholy worship. Most of the trappings of Dec 25th come from beliefs other than those of the Bible - other religions, other rituals. History tells us this. Just as scripture tells us that Israel constantly got in trouble for mixing the two together.

Those of us who are believers are called to live in the world, but not be of the world. There isn't really any point in setting one day aside for the birth of Jesus (same with "Easter") because then it becomes about a "day" - not about an event on God's timeline as He reveals His plan. (Not to mention easily corrupted by man).

We know why people observe "Christmas." And do not stand in judgment of those who do. But if our walk with God involves walking in truth, I keep discovering how my "traditions" often are not very truthful - and have to decide for myself whether to continue doing things my way, or His.

We may not look at these celebrations as wrong, but what we think really doesn't matter.

We cannot know this

God did not reveal when he was born. I am sure it is not Dec. 25 as the sheep were in the pastures, so it was not winter. But whether Spring, Summer or fall there is no way to know.

We are not told to celebrate his birth anywhere in the Bible.

There is so much nonsense here

So many of the comments about Jesus and Christianity on this website are such complete nonsense - whether about His existence, His deity (the Bible calls Him, and He called Himself, God), what was left out of the Bible, "sun" worship, astrology, bad translations, bad "interpretations," what the Bible "really" means, etc. Utter and complete baloney.

As far as his existence, start with these

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2012/10/26/feedback...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/burial-box-earl...?

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLcYyD2kVxg&feature=youtu.be

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Really?

So when we have our prayers, and we teach our children about the gift that God brought to us through His Son Jesus Christ, I am really talking about the sun? That's funny because I never mention the sun to my children.

People to claim to know what 6 BILLION people are doing on any particular day of the year, come across as complete fools. You don't even know what time I took a dump yesterday, much less what I celebrated.

If I was born on Halloween, and have a birthday party on that particular day, what does that mean I'm celebrating? You people are completely and irreparably fucking ignorant.

I already covered that

I already covered that further below..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...