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Exactly When Was Jesus Born? Not on December 25.

In all likelihood, He was born in September.

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By what calendar? Don't you

By what calendar? Don't you think it's the winter solstice that marks the event as any myth, legend and/or historical account would have you believe.

September more than likely

Somewhere between September 9th and 17th is my guess. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the evil rulers of this world caused the events of 9/11 to happen around that date as a satanic happy b-day to Jesus. Of course... who knows...

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jesus, the SUN of the world.

Jesus, the SUN of the world. "reborn" on the 25th when the Sun begins to return to the Northern Hemisphere after standing still for 3 days. Where we get that Jesus died for three days.

Jesus (the SUN) is the light of the world and he cometh with clouds so all eyes shall see him (The SUN).
Thus Christians worship on SUNday because they worship the SUN, the light that heals the blind from being in the dark. Every morning the SUN rises, it makes the people who were in the dark (night) see.

The SUN moves through the sky with 12 helpers, of ZODIACS each year, the SUN's disciples. And at the end of the AGE, (Pieces) he will meet a man with a water carrier in a HOUSE (Zodiac) where he will then PASSOVER from the AGE of Pieces to the age of Aquarius.

It's all astronomy and astrology.. Jesus was a personification of the literal sun that people worshipped back then..

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Did you watch this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk

What if the Sun and the signs were actually God's message to us about His Son?

What if it was not?

What if it was not?

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Then most likely

the Sun God will strike me with fire for worshipping a false god on December 25th. :-)

Or it's all a fairy tale and nothing truly matters long term.

Jesus really existed

and was not just a personification of something. There is more historical proof of Jesus existing than cesar and there are also hundreds of accounts of him being alive after crucifixion.

Don't get confused about astrology and be wise the many lies that gnosticism breeds. That is why this world is so screwed up. The rich elite that run this world are gnostics covered by the cloak of the illuminati.

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watch the video about gnosticism on far bottom right.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

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That is not exactly correct.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:6

"Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep."

That is one man claiming that 500 saw Jesus. There are not 500 individual accounts of this sighting, only one man claiming that 500 saw Him. That's a big difference from what you say.

Tell me about it. What part

Tell me about it. What part of the bible describes Jesus. Then what evidence do you have that a man, named Jesus, who was the SON of a GOD actually existed?

Then explain why the bible is filled with astrological references? And why Jesus as THE sun makes much more sense than as a man. Why Jesus is always shown with a golden halo around him and/or a crown of thorns, like the SUN in the sky.. and why he is THE light of the world.. just like the sun..

Even Christians write about the astrological references in the Bible.

Here is one: http://www.amazon.com/The-Days-Vengeance-Exposition-Revelati...

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God created the sun the moon and the stars

What is your point?

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Well, you don't know that.

Well, you don't know that. My point is that a lot of the Bible, including Jesus is based on astronomy and astrology.

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You're somewhat conflating

You're somewhat conflating the ancient religion in the Bible and the pagan traditions of The Church. "The halo was incorporated into Early Christian art sometime in the 4th century" That incidentally is around the time that the government took over Christianity.

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You are proving my point.

You are proving my point. Most if not all what you see of Jesus and Christianity was man made 1000s years after the "fact."

But that doesn't negate the fact that all, or most, of these symbols is a direct reflection of the actual SUN, which was worshipped back then.

Thanks on the signature.... lol

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Not entirely true

Yes, the accounts and references to Christ were made post-existence as much of the documents have been dated to show. We know when the scriptures were written through scientific study (odd how they both support each other, right?)

The Halo was a Greek concept to show reverence to people of power, influence, or good merit - many of the early paintings depicting nobles in the early centuries A.D. contained images of halos.

What you should note is the difference in halo style - the early halo rings were hollow inside, while the latter government catholic style was to fill the halo in like a glowing sun. This was derived from the ancient Egyption mythology regarding Z.I.O.N. Zeth, Isis, Osiris, Nephyt - and the sun god ra.

We also know IHS is the greek reference to Christ - the early paintings were simply the letters - the latter paintings contain a halo with sun flares and three arrows pointing to each letter - Isis, Horus, Semiramis.

It is known that polytheistic, zoroastrotheologic, gnostics have existed since the time of babylon - it is no surprise that pagan rituals have maintained a commonplace throughout the power structures that have been and still remain.

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What part of what I wrote IS

What part of what I wrote IS true?

Also, what part of the bible describes Jesus?

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Well

You get partial credit for knowing ancient cultures followed seasonal patterns for guidance and worshipped the sun as their provider for life's necessities.

As I said, polytheism and astrotheology have been around since Babylon so its not uncommon that cultures followed pagan traditions - even the Tanakh contains few that Moses was involved with.

There is no physical description of Jesus who was called Christ. Is that important for you?

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"There is no physical

"There is no physical description of Jesus who was called Christ. Is that important for you?"

Only in the sense that people seem to know what "he" looked like.

I guess I am lost as to what exactly you take issue with what I wrote.

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Why is it so important to know what Christ looked like?

I find it funny that folks think that because people exist, this disputes the existence of God.

I study art history in school so I know a little bit about how Christ (a very popular icon in early commissioned art was depicted). In fact, depending on the culture you will find that Christ takes the appearance of Greek, Roman, Italian, on and on. So people who existed at that time depicted religious icons as they existed at that time. We see this happening today. It is rare to find a black painter depicting people in their work as other than black and vice versa.

As no one making these paintings were around to see Jesus, or the prophets, or God they give them attributes of the people they see everyday. Many of these early paintings were commissioned and paid for by very wealthy people that saw the paintings as giving them favor of their status and their wealth. By being in the paintings this was believed to even give them favor with the subject matter. Religious iconography then was very popular.

I second the earlier posters comments about halo's in such iconography. You can find these patrons who purchased these murals with halos as well in many of these works they were depicted in.

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"I find it funny that folks

"I find it funny that folks think that because people exist, this disputes the existence of God." Who is talking about?

We were discussing Jesus.

Not sure what ANYONE is basing their depiction on, because there is no description of Jesus in the bible.

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The depictions are from generalized concepts

of what Hebrews what have appeared to be. Over time, Jesus became white thanks to the caucus influence of Catholicism.

It's not that I really took offense to anything - just trying to help clarify.

In an above post you wrote: "Jesus, the SUN of the world. "reborn" on the 25th when the Sun begins to return to the Northern Hemisphere after standing still for 3 days. Where we get that Jesus died for three days."

Christmas is the time of Jesus' conception - his first birth - not the celebration of his resurrection after three days. I was once influenced by this connection and said it made sense, that was until I remembered reality.

You also said in the post I initially replied to that the stories of Christ weren't written for 1,000's of years later - which is entirely false. By 1,000 A.D. the Gospel was fairly well established. Earliest writings are found around 79a.d. - 300 a.d., right about the time Constantine reformed Byzantium.

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The way I understand it is

The way I understand it is the sun stands still on Dec 21 or Dec 22, depending on the year and then begins its way to the northern hemisphere 3 days later, thus why some celebrate on 24th and some on 25th. What is "reality"?

When I said 1000s of years I meant the image of Jesus, not the written stories, which were obviously (if we believe the scientists) written much earlier.

So you believe there was a man named Jesus who was the son of a God? Not sure what your position is.

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Brian, I notice you have a problem with understanding cultural

norms.

This is the second or third post where you make a similar assumption.

A few facts about this topic that I feel you might have neglected:

-First, it wasn't very common for things to be recorded by average people in the days of Christ.

With few exceptions most common stories were passed on through oral history. Pens and paper were rare amongst the masses and Office Depots did not exist.

-Second, paintings were not made by average people. In fact, unlike today, it was rare to be an artist. It would be similar to being a movie star. The few artists in existence got paid well, were commissioned by people like royalty or people of nobility, wealth, or the church.

-Finally, despite the fact that Christian observances "coincidently happen" (this always makes me laugh) to fall on pagan holidays this doesn't change the fact that God exists. The early Christians tried many tactics to evangelize the heretics. Think of them as radicals of their time. If they saw people being sucked into pagan rituals, they would imagine a way to subvert those celebrations with ones that exalted God. So it wasn't Pagans coming up with these holidays but rather Christian subversives that were keen on influencing the culture.

I could by comparison take a celebration like Memorial Day, seemingly has no Christian significance on paper and make it about the Resurrection. Not because it happened on that day but because I wanted people in the culture to worship God over anything else.

Make sense?

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I am not understanding your

I am not understanding your disagreement. All you did was confirm it is impossible to depict someone when there is NO physical reference for them.

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Winter Solstice

Has long been celebrated because of that fact - the rebirth to the new cycle of seasons.

Reality is a word used in hope to describe whatever constancy can be found throughout time and within the moment but I am always never sure how real it is. ;-)

I believe there was a man named Jesus, the only begotten son of God, who lived as the mediator between the physical and non-physical worlds in our existence to reveal the spiritual nature within us where Heaven can be found.

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So you know all the pagan

So you know all the pagan rituals and sun worship and how it applies in Christianity, but you still believe there was a man names Jesus? Interesting. Does logic really lead you to believe that?

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Certainly

Because the transformation from old ways to new ways is explicitly laid out. The old testament creates the foundation for the new testament, which fulfills the old. The pagan traditions of past ended with the life of Christ, as he was the final sacrifice necessary for man to glorify God. This is often where people claim Christians 'nit pick' at the Bible and which verses they follow. The old testament is a lesson only to Christians, it is not the law that Jesus commanded us to follow. SO, Christians aren't supposed to stone others, put others to death, or be judgmental toward sinners. People love to quote leviticus and say, "LOOK YOU FOOLS, you don't even practice what your book preaches!" which is laughable considering the one mocking faith knows nothing of it.

Jesus was depicted long before his birth as a testimony to the glory of our Creator. That such a man, despised, hated, and torn would reach heaven without any bones broken. Some centuries later when Jesus arrived, he was hated, despised, and torn - was put to the cross. In traditional fashion, those who are nailed to the cross have their legs broken - such that they can no longer stand to provide an able breathing function and as a result die slowly through suffocation.

Jesus' legs were never broken as he ascended before the roman soldiers could end his life. One of the countless prophecies fulfilled.

It is easy to see where satanic knowledge "good and evil" is derived throughout history - it's even easier to see where truth becomes tainted for government profit. Our existence is a spiritual battle lead by physical means - if we do as buddha said and seek inward, the truth will be waiting there.

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Ignorance is so sad.

"There is more historical proof of Jesus existing than Caesar"(sic)

No, actually, there is not.

"hundreds of accounts of him being alive after crucifixion."

All of which date to decades or even centuries later than the time in question.

Just as a matter of fact, you are very wrong here and the tiniest bit of sincere research would have told you that, if you were open to correction.

The Gnostics, btw, were prominent members of the earliest known Christian communities, and were probably the majority of Christians for the first few centuries. The institutional church of Rome declared them heretics and exterminated them without mercy precisely because they would NOT play ball with the rich elite that wanted to use Christianity as a means of social control for the Empire.

Kind of sad to see someone get everything exactly backwards, but there you go.

Lies.

Wow, what a pack of lies!

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44)

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

"When he lies, he speaks his

"When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44)"

That can apply to you too...

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