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A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation.


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I've always enjoyed reading Camille Paglia

I may not agree with her all the time, but I appreciate her insights.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

does anyone else see the irony

of an androgynous gay woman, with a son and female ex partner, lecturing us about the very thing rampant feminism was designed to do?

Seeking common ground, despite differences

Paglia has explored the world of feminist thinking further than many of her peers, and raised issues to them about what's not working for them if they hope to have any credibility among others who differ from them.

I think listening in on the conversation they're having gives us insight on how to answer from our perspectives, for the common good we ought to seek, without abandoning or compromising our own positions.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

yes,,,,thank you.


"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS



Has anyone noticed something different with male voices?

All of the guy's singing voices are sounding more effeminate.

Get in your car and flip the stations around. Most of the new music on the mainstream mostly white listening audience, the guys all have this soft, higher pitched voice.

You don't notice it so much on the country or hip hop or rap stations, but all of the alternative stations and singers coming out of Europe and young 20-30 American guy singers have that same sort of voice.

Maybe that's a bit of a stretch

If you look back a few decades, the Bee Gees were all over the radio in the 1970's, the Four Seasons, were pretty feminine sounding, and it was more than 30 years before I discovered that the lead singer in the Stylistics was not a woman. There are numerous other examples from the past.

I will confess that I never listen to the radio any more … music that has come out in the last four years is less than 1% of what I listen to. I think almost all of the stuff currently being produced is crap, but I attribute this more to technology killing off the industry. Now that everything can be copied via MP3, a lot fewer people are shelling out money to pay for CD's, and with lack of financial incentives, the quality has gone down the toilet. When I do inadvertently get exposed to current garbage such as "What the Fox Says" whether or not the guy's voice is feminine is hardly the most annoying aspect of the music.

"All of the guy's singing voices are sounding more effeminate."


However, there are still those of us who will continue to support the hot-wing and motorcycle industries. And wet t-shirts :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

George Carlin said it best...

He called it:

The Pussification of the American Male


what I think of Paglia: Coward

And this is related to Paglia how?

Did you read the article or just want to reinforce the neocon policy of policing the world?

I miss the original Granger from the 2008 campaign - I always pictured Palladin from Have Gun Will Travel. He was a more thoughtful libertarian, a strong man who minded his own business and didn't want to control people.

Progresive feminist Paglia

The dyke who now stands for men, not for the women and children being murdered, tortured by misogyny hate crimes.

Paglia is NO Malala.

The "original Granger" has read the articles (yeah Paglia kinda mentions IslamicFASCIST misogyny in the end, what last sentance).. now only do I read the headlines, the articles, but then I research, something many here don't bother.. they know it all.. yeah right. Thank goodness they don't vote.

The "original Granger" refused to join Ron Paul in the GOP. So I like the new and inproved Granger because I am very grateful to RP for his invitation. I am glad to be removed from the COWARDS, the communists, the IslamicFASCISTS who HIDE behind Ron Paul.. and he knows it.. look at his RPI.. who so many ex CIA agents working for him?

Having gun will travel does not impress me in the least.

You refused to join Ron Paul because you are a zionist

Only after getting your marching orders did you join the GOP to subvert the patriots. Good luck with that!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I am a PROUD secular ZIONSIST who LOVES ISRAEL very much

You don't even vote Ira... short for IRAN? Hmmm? IRAN FREEDOM.. there you are. You are a COWARD IRAN FREEDOM.

The name escapes you!

I are a free man... you have no right to insinuate he supports Iran, tho I am sure if you had access to the switch to bomb Iran you would do so in a heartbeat. You are an evil sad person, granger!

Formerly rprevolutionist

That is not true

I think the talk about bombing Iran comes from fear mongering.

I support Israel's right to defend themselves as they see fit. They feel the need to bomb Iran, then they take responsibilty for the "blow back", the USA does not need to be involved unless US investments are threatened. ANd the US has many investments,, Islam would be camels and donkeys if not for US investments and that is a fact.

Changing must be your handle for changing the US to Commie Islam. If that's not shear evil I don't know what is.

You are so pathetic

I believe in freedom. You believe in shoving Israel down everyone's throats. You are a menace.

Formerly rprevolutionist

deacon's picture

Adding a slant?

Or adding words?
Where does it say anywhere in them founding documents,
that we can get involved in any war,if our interests are threatened?
And by interests,do you mean corporate?
Fear mongering to bomb Iran? seems the Israeli gov is doing that

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I don't know

Adding a slant? I don't know? I don't understand what you are refering.. slant? What? Where? Huh?

Adding words? I don't know? Words? Whar specific words?

Where does it say Amendments 13, 14 in the founding documents?

Where does it say Patriot Acts in the founding documents?

Where does it say ban on many things in the founding documents?

Where does it say 50 states and 7 territories?

Where does it say no slavery in the founding documents?

Where does it say, wipe the native Americans off the face of the Earth in the founding documents?

Where does it say go to war with Mexico and wipe out Hawai'ian in the founding documents?

Can you show me.. that might help me answer your questions.. because I don't know.

What I do know is Britian occupied the ME for 30 years. Why no outcry? Jordan was made out of the same Mandate. Why no outcry over Jordan? Syria and Lebanon French Mandate. Why no outcry? Why just Israel?

Yes, I mean corporate.. the kind of corporate you support 100% every time you go to a gas pump and fill your tank.

Where do you see Israel bombing Iran today?

The charter of Iran specifically calls to eliminate the Jews out of Israel. Hamas Charter, Hezbollah charter are all writen in writing.. ever look them up? That's OK with you?

If that's OK with you, then isn't it hypocritcal of you to stand for America and 50 states?? Shouldn't America give Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona and CA beck to Mexico and free the Mexicans to take back their country since the USA orginal documents NEVER said, go to war with Mexico and take the land?

deacon's picture

I was very specific

The second question to you,was aimed at your comment
Where does it say,in our founding documents,that we can go to war
for our interests?
This is what you added,you added that in your comment,and it is spin
and it is used by the REPS,news corps,and any other out there,trying to add things
that are false,just as you did
As far as the rest of your comment,disregarded,I don't like being taken for trips around the barn
I will add this just for you,you told me before if the FED GOV creates a law,then it is law of the land,and we had better follow all of them

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I'm sure, absolutly SURE you believe that.

But you were posting to me, were you not? Or was this a post to yourself? I am ABSOLUTELY SURE that you believe,m think feel, KNOW with ALL your complete being that YOU WERE SPECIFIC; However, if your post was to me.. than it was NOT specific and I genuinly didn't understand and why I asked. It is NOT specific to my understanding.

You are free to call me names and dispute MY understanding. I did NOT understand your questions. They made no sense to me. So if this post is to me.. I don't understand.. you're "specificas" are NOT makeing sense. words? Waht words? Slant? What slant?

Are you accusing me of something here? BE SPECIFIC: Example: "I deacon ACCUSE YOU GRANER of Slanting ____________ and putting words "______________". So that I can understand you accusation or questions..

It was specific to YOU, If the post was to me I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

If this prompts you to call me names and make more accusations about me.. OK. But I still don't get where you are coming from in "slant" or "words".

The reminder of the post I responded with questions.

Why didn't you answer?

Is this an attack on me?

If this is a debate.. then I need to understand what you are saying. When I tell you I don't understand, it's because I don't, not because I'm avoiding your questions.

SLAM ME HARDER, but let me understand. ACCUSE ME but let me understand. If that is too much to ask.. then, I don't know how to respond. It's not that I don't want to. It's than you don't accept my position, and that's that.

I said I DON'T KNOW.. I asked you questions so you could help me.. do you know? Why is CA not Mexico? Why don't we give CA back? Where does it say in our founding documents to go to war with Mexico?

Maybe this will help us BOTH undertand? I don't understand.

I don't understand. I really don't get it.

Do you????? EDUCATE ME! Or take this as an opportunity to hurt me.

Suit yourself.

And yes.. The Federal Government is one layer,, state government is another and county government another and city goverment another.. layer of authority... The federal government is to hopd the trump card.

If I'm wrong EDUCATE ME.

I'm open. If all this is a bash Granger.. Happy New Year!!

deacon's picture

You claimed

that america can go to war if our interests were to be harmed
TWICE..I asked you the same question.
Did I get any answer that answers the question?...nope,what I got
from you was more of nothing,unless I consider your long winded comment about calling you names,and bashing.which,by the way,i did not do
I asked you a question,the same one twice,and it still went unanswered
so thank you for not answering me

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Well deacon

You don't like my answer: I DON'T KNOW.

I did not study constitutional laws, I believe the Patriot Act destroyed whatever constitutional were left after Civil war, Mexican war, spanish war, vietnam war, Korean conflict WWI/ WWII.. how we did each of these, most before my parents were conceived...

I am sorry I am NOT giving you the answers you are seeking froim me. I don't have the answers. I DON'T KNOW.

deacon's picture

You spoke truth

You don't know,so,if you don't know,then should you be adding
this "we can go to war to protect our interests"because,that is a false statement It is not in the founding documents,so therefor is goes against our laws,ILLEGAL??
When we add misleading statements, and others read it as truth,then they also err,and if people speak it,then they are just as guilty of leading others
with lies
One does not have to study const law to understand the const,it is written for all to understand

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I don't agree

I don't believe the constitution was written for ALL to understand.

The Constitution did not stop the Civil war, the Mexican war, the Spanish War, the genocide against Native Americans, slavery, the abuse of humans, Jim Crow... child labor, on and on..

I vote when there is somebody honest to vote for

I never vote for two bit whores like Romney or McCain.

What does this make you?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I'm glad you don't vote

Maybe you should return to Iran?

Maybe I should go there someday, hopefully before

we unload tons of depleted uranium on them.

This guy went there and this is what he saw...


Hate is such an ugly face The Granger

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Take me with you!

I'm dying to visit Iran. The closest I've come to it is a border town in Turkey.

Can US citizens even travel there?

I can't sell product there

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown