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My personal testimony of the Iraq "war".

I was commenting on the thread The Guardian: "I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on", and another person suggested I write DP original about my experiences.

www.dailypaul.com/308922#comment-3299669

I enlisted in the U.S. Air Force in September of 2000, at the age of 19. Two weeks shy of my 1 year anniversary, 9/11 happened. I spent the next two weeks keeping F-15 fighters fueled up in case they needed to respond quickly over the skies of Seattle. Then I was deployed to Spain for 3 months to fuel tankers that would go up and fuel the bombers that were flying from the U.S. nonstop to pummel Afghanistan. Another 6 months after being back at my home base, I asked for and received a 3 year tour to England, which required me to add 10 months onto my 4 year enlistment.

When the U.S. built up in preparation for an invasion of Iraq in early 2003, I was shipped off to an Air Base in Kuwait. It was an incredible feat of logistics watching the base build up from nothing to upwards of two hundred fighter planes and all the support that it required. I remember people writing things on bombs to be dropped, things about how this was payback to Iraq for 9/11. Once the attack on Iraq commenced, It was extremely busy for about 2 weeks, and then the "shock and awe" was over. It was on the ground troops (for the next 9 years) after that. I volunteered to drive a fuel truck up to a captured Air Base in Iraq, but I wasn't needed for that.

I remember at one point when I was out working, thinking about my principal in elementary school. After standing up to a bully once, he told me that violence was never the answer. I looked around at all the high tech machinery of death, and I started laughing hysterically to myself. Look around I thought. Sometimes violence is the answer. At the time, I had been very heavily indoctrinated with tribalism. Obviously those faceless unknown Iraqis were somehow of less value, and I believed in the lie that such a thing as a "surgical strike" existed.

I never contemplated the notion of human error, or that a child would only need to be in the vicinity of dropped ordinances to be traumatized for life. Thinking about such things in my immature mind would be unpleasant, logic was an inconvenience, no need for any of that.

I opted not to reenlist in the AF, for a few reasons. All of the guys that were of high moral character were not re-upping. All of the awards and early promotions were going to the most slimy of my peers. I had a brief marriage fail by being gone all the time. That, and I was a manchild like the military wants you to be. I wasn't in any hurry for a promotion, as the biggest factor to my getting out was that I would soon be a Sergeant, and I wouldn't just be hearing propaganda, I would be expected to sell propaganda. I had too much integrity to lie, and I was too cynical to believe in what I would be selling.

I wound up working as a contractor over in Iraq, the money was great and I still bought into the idea of a war on terror being legitimate, despite my awareness of how pathetic beauracracies are. In 2008 the base I was on was getting routinely attacked by insurgent rockets. I got to feel things from the other end, the shoe on the other foot, being terrorized from the sky at night by people trying to kill me. While sitting in a bunker one night, I was imagining what my own splattered corpse would look like should one of those Soviet rockets land on me. I was filled with hate, deep dark hate. I was imagining there was probably just a few guys out there somewhere with a pickup truck, jerry rigging rockets, and attacking us.

I was mad that the mighty Army could not get them, even though they attacked the same night every week, in the same window of time. I wanted them dead, how dare they threaten my life. I was so angry that I was fantasizing about how great it would be to line them up on their knees and personally walk down the line putting a bullet in the back of each of their heads. I don't say this to sound like a tough guy, this is mentally the place I was in. I would have been cool with it.

I had plenty of time to think over there, and on a level I respected the insurgents. They were risking their lives, and it was me on their land. I always find it stupid when someone calls a suicide bomber a coward, there couldn't be a harder thing to do really. It isn't any different than charging a machine gun nest in WW2. At least charging a machine gun nest, there is a chance you will make it through.

What really started to change my world view was when an Army vet my age, that I worked with as a contractor, first put forth the idea that 9/11 might have been an inside job. When he said it, I thought it was crazy. I thought no way, it would have undermined my belief in everything my life had evolved around for the past 6 years or so. He was a high moral character guy, and very smart, so I didn't dismiss it as him being an idiot. Once I started looking into alternative theories, and considering the corruption around me, as a contractor, and in the military, the bigger picture was making more sense.

I couldn't stand working in Iraq much after that, so I quit and went back home. I was having extreme anxiety problems, I couldn't be around more than a person or two at a time, I had nightmares, and I didn't fit with civilians. Nothing they talked about seemed important, and I was wired round the clock for fight or flight. I went to the VA hospital, hoping to get some counseling and work some stuff out. I found that other than an initial interview, the only thing they would do is put you on anti-depressants. The only thing beyond a minute of small talk was to ask you about the medication, and adjust the levels. No counseling was available. America does not support its troops with bandages, only bullets.

The drugs made me like a zombie, no lows, but also no highs. I couldn't do the zombie thing more than a few months, and without tapering, I got rid of the brain chemical altering pills. I experienced psychosis and extreme paranoia. I thought people were hunting me, that my food was poisoned. I wound up back to back days in police handcuffs being delivered to an emergency room.

I had been aware of the staggering suicide numbers, and the drugs, and lack of counseling to combat the self hatred for harming others offensively, as the reason for the numbers. I kept working up the nerve to off myself, just to make the pain stop. I was rehearsing with a gun barrel in my mouth even (Mauser 8mm rifle). At this point though I had a baby boy, and a fiance overseas. I had a father that wasn't around, and a crappy childhood, so how crappy would it be for me to check out on my kid. My pain had to stop though. I was raised without any faith growing up, no church, none of that. It however was time to exercise some faith, or die, so I dropped to my knees and begged Christ to forgive me. From that point I started to heal, I swear I felt a supernatural spirit moving through my body a few times after that. Holy spirit.

I have since united my family from overseas and become a different person. I look at my 4 year old son now and I see hope in the world that I didn't think existed. I don't mean for any of this to be a religious debate. I was an atheist too. I used to mock people that needed an invisible sky daddy. I do now believe in God, but that is because first I met the devil, and he was me.



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On the Utter Stupidity of War

"Can anything be more stupid than a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him ?"

Blaise Pascal, 1623 - 1662

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Thank you for sharing.

Thank you for sharing.

I sure am very glad you could make it out of that.

Every spared soul who can remember about peace and liberty counts at this point.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

you're incredible

I have a lot of respect for people that have followed the military path and come to discover liberty. I don't know if I would be strong enough to fight those demons. And I contemplated joining the military after 9/11.

Here is a story that happened to me recently that I wanted to share with you:

I was helping a neighbor re-build a corral after a wildfire had burned their place down. The neighbor was the son of a vet who had suffered PTSD. He was known as a little crazy as the scars of war were with him till he died. As a result my neighbor was raised as having the stigma of having a slightly off father.

I was making my case against war by stating that more troops committed suicide than died in combat last year. I proceeded to empathize with the situation by pointing out that subjecting them to a war zone and putting them in a position to take another persons life had to be tough. Not even really thinking about his past I said "there almost has to be something wrong with you if you aren't effected by it". A look came over his face that I can't describe, but I could tell it touched him. It was as if his whole life it had been a mark of embarrassment and suddenly he felt normal. There was no reason to be ashamed of a natural reaction. He mentioned a few words of his fathers struggles, and I think (I hope) it brought a little peace to him. I believe it did, I get a lot of satisfaction out of thinking it did anyway.

WOW!!!

Your story is just amazing and your recovery is a miracle! May God continue to bless you and use your experience to help many!

As a Mother

of some having gone to war I feel for you with all my heart. I see 1 of my sons suffering and fighting every day to be happy. I thank God he has managed to do it even though wife tries to get him to go to the VA for help. I am so afraid she may convince him to take drugs.

I learned the truth about antidepressants in 2002 because I was searching for a way to get off. At that time there was info related to school shootings and every child had been on the drugs. Dr. Ann Tracy was my contact then (internet) even testifying before congress. http://www.happinessonline.org/BeTemperate/p10.htm They have known for a very long time how these drugs effect people. So going on the drugs only makes things worse or as you say "a Zombie".

Seth, you are a hero. So brave to ask for help in the way you did. I remember the day I was "saved", must have been 9 or 10. I saw and felt a warm light envelop my whole body and I was happy.

Thank you for sharing your story

I hope people like you and Brandon Toy inspire others to drop the guns and MIC contractor jobs and just walk away.

I Hereby Resign in Protest Effective Immediately
by Brandon Toy

I hereby resign in protest effective immediately.

I have served the post-911 Military Industrial complex for 10 years, first as a soldier in Baghdad, and now as a defense contractor.

I have always believed that if every foot soldier threw down his rifle war would end. I hereby throw mine down.At the time of my enlistment, I believed in the cause. I was ignorant, naïve, and misled. The narrative, professed by the state, and echoed by the mainstream press, has proven false and criminal. We have become what I thought we were fighting against.

Recent revelations by fearless journalists of war crimes including counterinsurgency “dirty” wars, drone terrorism, the suspension of due process, torture, mass surveillance, and widespread regulatory capture have shed light on the true nature of the current US Government. I encourage you to read more about these topics at the links I have provided below.

Some will say that I am being irresponsible, impractical, and irrational. Others will insist that I am crazy. I have come to believe that the true insanity is doing nothing. As long as we sit in comfort, turning a blind eye to the injustices of the world, nothing will change. It is even worse to play an active part, protesting all along that I am not the true criminal.

I was only a foot soldier, and am now a low level clerk. However, I have always believed that if every foot soldier threw down his rifle war would end. I hereby throw mine down.

Sincerely,

Brandon M. Toy
Stryker Engineering Project Management
General Dynamics Land Systems
Sterling Heights, Michigan

RP R3VOLution

Thanks for making the effort,

Thanks for making the effort, damn fine writing of a compelling and insightful story. Thrilled you value your life now.

I need more insights into the plight of our soldiers, just happen to have very few in my circle of friends. And let me add my voice to what was said below, please share: How bad is the corruption? Generalized examples, be vague, no names or specifics.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

The corruption is institutionalized.

A plastic dust cover for the end of aircraft refueling nozzle looks like something you could buy at a dollar store, however the list price for one of them was $40.

I needed one of those flashlights on a head band, it had to be ordered from specific suppliers and cost, $140, when I could have bought one on Amazon.com myself, for $30.

My brother also worked with me in Iraq as a contractor and the base commander wanted a big party BBQ built. They had no regular steel, so they had to use $10,000 a sheet ballistic steel to make it. More than one sheet was used I believe, the BBQ was an 8' across octagon shape.

Contractors were buying brand new H2 civilian Hummers for vehicles to drive around base on paved roads. With a cost+ contract, you get a percentage added on to how much you spend on the government's behalf, hence hummers instead of ford rangers to tool around base with your secretary girlfriend from the Balkans.

As I mentioned spending more meant making more, that is why the Gyms on base for the soldiers didn't just have $3 sweat towels, they had the gym logo embroidered and paid something like $50 for them.

Contractors providing meals to the soldiers were being paid by the number of plates served. So when a soldier would take an extra plate to cover the top of his food for takeout, boom! 2 plates served.

Labor hours were padded for billing the Gov, and extra hour here and there, rounding up. Fuel truck convoys came from surrounding countries like Turkey, and some of those guys would sell fuel out of their truck on the way, and then attempt to bribe us on base to say we received what their shipping manifest said for gallons. I made good enough money so I wouldn't touch their bribes, nor did I want to go to Federal pound me in the ass Prison, however I am very sure some other people were lining their pockets, even though I never personally saw a transaction.

The sad part was that turks were not always selling fuel on the way. Our fuel meters were not properly calibrated and it would short them. Those guys would make a 2 week round trip for $500 into a war zone (sometimes arriving with bullet, and RPG holes), and there employer would not pay them at all if they were off the gallons by more than a couple percent. They figured better to try and bribe $100, and make $400, rather than nothing. One of the guys that tried to bribe me, I refused him, and after pumping out the truck his gallons were right on. I told him "see, no need money, you are good".

When I hear people talk about how we can't cut the military budget or we won't be safe, that is garbage. You could conservatively reduce the budget by 25% if you eliminated the widespread and legal system of fraud, waste, and abuse. You would maintain the same military, levels. I think really it is more like 40% of the budget is wasted, but I am being conservative and going with 25% for sure.

Most of the higher ups running operations for the contractors were retired military Generals. Those Generals are buddies with Generals that are still in the military. Those that are in the military, want a nice job when they get out. One hand washes the other. The whole system is rigged by creating a supply chain of vendors that you have to buy an item from. I understand specialty items with limited options, but when you have to buy AA batteries from a single source on a website, they ramp up the price. If you suggest the military budget should be cut, you obviously don't want to keep America safe from all the boogie men, evildoers. Lol.

Sethr11-Your post titled The Corruption is Institutionalized...

...which you posted as a reply below, should be a whole new post by itself.

The figures you stated of costs and charges which the military is getting away with is utterly criminal, and every American should know this because WE gotta pay for it.

I copied your post from below and pasted it here so you know exactly what I am talking about.

Maybe you can make a whole new posting which I'm certain will make the front page.

It's exactly this kind of first-hand knowledge of the abuses which must be put out there for all to see.

~~~~~~~~~~~~Here's your post again~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A plastic dust cover for the end of aircraft refueling nozzle looks like something you could buy at a dollar store, however the list price for one of them was $40.

I needed one of those flashlights on a head band, it had to be ordered from specific suppliers and cost, $140, when I could have bought one on Amazon.com myself, for $30.

My brother also worked with me in Iraq as a contractor and the base commander wanted a big party BBQ built. They had no regular steel, so they had to use $10,000 a sheet ballistic steel to make it. More than one sheet was used I believe, the BBQ was an 8' across octagon shape.

Contractors were buying brand new H2 civilian Hummers for vehicles to drive around base on paved roads. With a cost+ contract, you get a percentage added on to how much you spend on the government's behalf, hence hummers instead of ford rangers to tool around base with your secretary girlfriend from the Balkans.

As I mentioned spending more meant making more, that is why the Gyms on base for the soldiers didn't just have $3 sweat towels, they had the gym logo embroidered and paid something like $50 for them.

Contractors providing meals to the soldiers were being paid by the number of plates served. So when a soldier would take an extra plate to cover the top of his food for takeout, boom! 2 plates served.

Labor hours were padded for billing the Gov, and extra hour here and there, rounding up. Fuel truck convoys came from surrounding countries like Turkey, and some of those guys would sell fuel out of their truck on the way, and then attempt to bribe us on base to say we received what their shipping manifest said for gallons. I made good enough money so I wouldn't touch their bribes, nor did I want to go to Federal pound me in the ass Prison, however I am very sure some other people were lining their pockets, even though I never personally saw a transaction.

The sad part was that turks were not always selling fuel on the way. Our fuel meters were not properly calibrated and it would short them. Those guys would make a 2 week round trip for $500 into a war zone (sometimes arriving with bullet, and RPG holes), and there employer would not pay them at all if they were off the gallons by more than a couple percent. They figured better to try and bribe $100, and make $400, rather than nothing. One of the guys that tried to bribe me, I refused him, and after pumping out the truck his gallons were right on. I told him "see, no need money, you are good".

When I hear people talk about how we can't cut the military budget or we won't be safe, that is garbage. You could conservatively reduce the budget by 25% if you eliminated the widespread and legal system of fraud, waste, and abuse. You would maintain the same military, levels. I think really it is more like 40% of the budget is wasted, but I am being conservative and going with 25% for sure.

Most of the higher ups running operations for the contractors were retired military Generals. Those Generals are buddies with Generals that are still in the military. Those that are in the military, want a nice job when they get out. One hand washes the other. The whole system is rigged by creating a supply chain of vendors that you have to buy an item from. I understand specialty items with limited options, but when you have to buy AA batteries from a single source on a website, they ramp up the price. If you suggest the military budget should be cut, you obviously don't want to keep America safe from all the boogie men, evildoers. Lol.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

You have another winning DP original right there Seth

Copy, paste and +100 within hours, shared and linked to the masses.

Go for it!

The vast majority of the DP loves balanced budgets and fiscal prudence. This is one of many reasons we all desire smaller government.

Not many here are fans of the military-industrial complex either, the scale of corruption you are outlining is just about worst-case scenario BTW, and of course this does not even cover the smoke-filled back room stuff.

Plenty here would also be interested in media embeds you may have encountered and/or your opinion of them, your opinion on official civilian casualty numbers, your opinion on Snowden, the NSA among other things.

Your writing is great, and everyone here would love to hear more about you and your opinions drawn from first-hand experience.

Very instructive, first-hand

Very instructive, first-hand examples. Thanks for taking the time to write it out. This is very valuable, I will, without attribution, be able to use this when debating neoconservatives who treat as sacred all defense spending. Not the lead argument against wars of course but pretty lethal stuff when "free market" fiscal conservatives rail against welfare waste and never say boo about excesses like these. There is no free market in what you've described, there is no market at all.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

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Thank you for sharing your

Thank you for sharing your story and welcome back home.
But the way I see it is, your journey as a soldier has now only just begun. We need you here friend. God may have been working in you before you even asked for help. because if you didn't go through what you did, you might be still be overseas and we the people need our soldiers closer in these days. I feel the enemy isn't just overseas anymore, they are right here and well masked.
Spread your story, if even for just the possibility that more will come forward like you and what you learned won't be so "impossible" to beleive by so many people here.

Welcome home, on so many levels.

I'm going to share this with a few others...

Your testimony is amazing. I am a pastor at a small church plant on the Jersey Shore, and I have come into contact with a few Iraq vets over the years around here that would greatly benefit from reading your story.

When I've heard their story and yours, such a deep hate rises in me for needless war and violence. Whoever is running the show, may God brings down his wrath on their heads or lead them to repentance and saving faith.

Thanks for sharing.

By all means, use it.

Reading your words just sent that supernatural chill down the spine sensation kicking again.

That is an amazing story Seth, thank you for sharing it

Having the courage to share your experience with a large audience is quite an amazing feat! We will all be the wiser. You have touched many lives with this simple act.

A couple of questions (Please be vague, no names or specifics)

How bad is the corruption?
Generalized examples?

What was the most common factors among the 'slimeballs' getting the AF promotions? (ie morally bankrupt, buys in to the propaganda, certain political beliefs etc)

If you were to give advice to another Veteran who was struggling to adjust, what would you say?

Outside of the military your mind is your weapon, hone your skill to survive and continue to become more mentally fit. You are obviously on the right path. I am glad that you have found religion. Spiritual health and enlightenment is also very important. G_d bless.

If you look above at a

If you look above at a comment reply, I answered the same question about the some of the institutionalized corruption that goes on, it is a bit long.

As far as the slime balls moving up, it was the same as any organization. Those that played politics and were in the right cliques, had upwards mobility. One of the Air Force core values is Integrity, which they often said was doing the right thing even when no one was looking. It was just a bunch of lip service on that.

The lower enlisted has a lot of great people. I believe some of the best people there is, even if they are ignorant and led on. The Sergeants also have some great people that stagnate in not making any higher rank. When you get to the senior nco ranks, and to the officer ranks, you find a bunch of crooked politicians. I am guessing this is similar in the police departments. Go along to get along and all.

What would I say to other vets struggling to adjust? Keep fighting spiritually, you feel like crap because you have a conscience. Those that don't feel bad, don't possess empathy for others, and that will bite them in the ass, they will not know true happiness. Even if you were misguided in your actions, they were your actions. You have the rest of your life to make up for the deficit of bad, and to do good. Be righteous, but be humble. Don't let righteousness cross over into you yourself becoming what you despise. You yourself cannot bring an end to evil in this world, but you can speak up when something takes place in front of you. This will lose you a lot of friends, but those aren't real friends anyways. Everyone has a person or two around them that is truly good hearted, if not, don't judge people by superficial things, and look at the content of their character. Pain is weakness leaving the body. You cannot un-see what has been seen, and you cannot un-hear what has been heard.

It is uncomfortable to know how things really work, that is why most others don't want to know about it. Ignorance is bliss for them, for now anyways. They watch movies that depict horrible things, but they can poo poo it away as just a make believe story from Hollywood. Deep down inside they know what is real, truth comes from within. Do you really think movies like "Hostel" where people recreationally kill others is fiction? That snuff films in movies like 8mm are fake? Once a person gets past the initial psychological shock, the truth is addictive. Understand evil, and consciously make a choice to reject it. Power is an illusion, nobody controls you. The body can be killed, but a soul has to be volunteered into servitude, it can not be stolen. Make sure when you stare into the abyss, you don't become the abyss. Choose peace, love, and sure, a little gold too.

Great testimony!

God bless you.

100+ votes, like the old

100+ votes, like the old days.
Were there any groups that helped you out of all this, or was it just through your own faith and family?

No groups, just faith and a

No groups, just faith and a couple brothers that were supportive. Most of my family wanted me to pretend like nothing was wrong because that was best for them. I don't take well to controlling people though, being Libertarian minded and all. Lol.

one of the best reads for a

one of the best reads for a looong time on here... its pretty common that a majority of military end up becoming ron paul fans for a reason.. they wake up faster because they see whats really going on and understand the big picture. once you wake up it can be hard.. i cringe when i watch the mainstream news or listen to teeny boppers talking about miley cyrus and other irrelevant bullshit.. just another forgotten war which will have long lasting consequences for those who served. i've visited a couple friends in a va hospital too and see them taking the same anti depressants as you.. makes me angry to see people like that

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What a revelation!

Awesome testimonial.

Americans are good. The American government is bad. War is not healthy for all living things.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

wow, awesome story...

thanks for taking the time to post this, now that was inspirational...

Fantastic writing

and better story. Seems that more and more are opening their eyes to the destruction and evilness of war - especially our current engagements.

http://www.dailypaul.com/305389/lettter-to-my-co

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson
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God bless you.

That is an inspirational testimony.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

I rarely ever post now that

I rarely ever post now that the election is over and Paul did not become President.

Your post moved me so much that I wanted to just say that it probably is one of the greatest posts I have read on the Daily Paul.

God lives and loves all of us. HE is the one who wants us to be free, to prosper and to care for others.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That is very high praise, I appreciate it.

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Psychosis and being the Devil

I don't intend on adding assumptions to this writing, yet I have only one (probably) unusual tid-bit to share.

It is very common for people going through psychosis to have the "messiah complex", even if only for a few minutes. However, where there is an up, there is a down and the one most people do not talk about is an accompanying devil complex.

That kind of experience is enough to crack the firm standing of any self proclaimed atheist. (Not saying that's what happened here).

I just wanted to share this for anyone who might find themselves in the awkward position of realizing (for a moment) that they are the messiah, or the converse of that.

Freedom of religion and freedom to go crazy are the same thing (and I defend both).
Unfortunately, if the actual messiah came into the western world today, he/she would be locked up and administered psych drugs.
For those who believe that Jesus is in every one of us, his arrival and suppression is happening every day.

For those who don't have some kind of belief aside from currently-provable science, you probably haven't been through hell, yet.
(..and are an unsuitable judge of those who have).

Carry on brother. You've aquired some hard earned wisdom.

Your insights are not far off

Your insights are not far off the mark. The whole time I felt like the devil was playing tricks with me, like I was being constantly harassed and hounded in my head. A messiah complex is a trick in itself, it gives the illusion you are moving towards God, but then circumvents that while trying to convince you that you are a god. A switcheroo of sorts. Which is the doctrine of Satan, convincing you to become your own god, so that you do not submit before the true God.

The devil doesn't need people to actively join him, just to not join God, and by default they join him. Those that actively pray to Satan and seek him, will find him, and will be rewarded with Earthly power and riches. The problem with selling your soul, is that you will die, and he will show back up with your signed contract to collect. Kinda like a reverse mortgage. Lol.

Sethr - If only the others would see it this way. Once you...

...read a little history of the U.S. mischief (mostly CIA) in the middle east, you begin to understand it.

You come to understand that our policies over there are what drive people to hate us and you can't blame them. (Take what we did in Iran for instance in the 1950's by installing an evil puppet who imprisoned, tortured and killed his own people with our approval for many years).

WHAT THE HELL BUSINESS DID WE HAVE DOING THAT???

Our government tells the sheeples who they should hate and then they control them into attacking whichever nation they are in the mood to attack at the time.

You made an interesting statement: "All of the guys that were of high moral character were not re-upping."

That's good to know, because it's an all-volunteer military. I give some people who signed up before 9/11 a little more leeway than those who enlisted after that...but not a lot.

Our military hasn't been used to defend this country since the war of 1812.

It's really a national OFFENSE - not a DEFENSE.

Because there is much more to the overall picture: THE PROFITEERS OF WAR.

That would be the bankers, "defense" contractors and manufactureres, politicians, international organizations like the U.N., IMF, World Bank, other nations (like Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) who control U.S. politicians into sending them billions every year (which supports arms races), and any other entity which profits from war.

THOSE are who we need to watch every minute of every day and question ANY move they try to make for U.S. military or foreign political action.

Specifically entities like world central bankers (Federal Reserve, Bank of England, European Central Bank), Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Electric, General Dynamics, Northrup Grummond, Lyndsey Graham, John McCain, John Bolton, Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, and ALL Neo-Con, War-Mongers.

You were just a useful puppet in their game and you were one of the lucky ones to make it out of there.

And you are one of the few I have any respect for since at least you grew a conscience.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

For sure

Very important.