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Christians Awaken For Duck Dynasty Flap But Remain Silent on Washington's Abuse-Chuck Baldwin

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If pastors, churches, and Christian organizations would be as vocal and vehement in opposition to turning our country into a giant police state, we would have our privacy back almost overnight. If pastors, churches, and Christian organizations would be as vocal and vehement in their opposition to DC’s attacks against our right of self-defense, there would never be another gun control bill put forward and the vast majority of prohibitions against the Second Amendment already in place would be overturned almost immediately. If pastors, churches, and Christian organizations would be as vocal and vehement in their opposition to the rampant misuse of our military and police, justice would be restored almost at once.

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I will respectfully disagree with him here

Fact of the matter is that there are a lot of politicians who do not represent people who agree with the duck dynasty people. There are a ton of people who love the welfare, police state we live in.

I think one of the reasons why people got upset over phils comments is that the media very intentionally and very clearly twisted his words to something he did not say. Phil didnt mention jim crow laws but in every article you read about what he said the media mentions them. People got defensive of phil because they liked him, they agreed with him, and they probably felt that when the media smeared him the media also smeared them.

But are these people enough to stop anything bad coming out of washington? HECK NO. I think more people are much more upset over obomacare than phil getting fired but we still got that.

We live in a very divided country expect things to get worse before it gets better.

Never heard of Duck Dynasty before...

...still don't know anything about it other than that a leader of it said what he believes about sodomy and is getting pummeled by the MSM.

I campaigned for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 because Ron Paul endorsed him and Pastor Baldwin had a long record of supporting Ron Paul.

Meanwhile the attack on our liberties continues. DD is just a side show.

What is the left hand doing now?

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Amen to that!


I'm a Christian

and could care less about Duck Dynasty.

People need to realize that most Christians are fake! Frauds!! And they are filled with hatred.

I consider myself a smart Christian who plays the cards the right way.

I am a former Christian, if such a thing is possible.

I simply had to distance myself from them once I woke up.
today I consider myself a Deist.

one day it occurred to me to look into the gunpowder plot thing..
"remember, remember the 5th of November"
it turns out that event was in 1605. King James was in power, yes, THAT King James.
the KJV came out in 1611. (things that make you go...hmmm.)
they were trying to kill king James, the very same King James the Pilgrims were fleeing from......

we all know that the "Bible" is a translation. therefore, it makes perfect sense to me that footnotes would be needed.

yes, I realize this is posted in the religion forum. it is not my intent to be rude. my intent is to ask those who might know more than I.
it is also not my intent to sell any books. my query is about the Geneva Bible.

is it even remotely possible that King James duped the Christians?
does that explain why they are generally, docile and compliant?
is that a taboo subject? or a key to unlock a door?
comments please.



I agree -

I agree with another comment posted below - if you are formerly a Christian, you never really had a relationship with Jesus to begin with. I am formerly Baptist and formerly Church of God, but I will never stop following my Lord and Savior. Unfortunately for most, the social aspects of "Churchianity" - the dogmatic following of an organized set of accepted philosophical rules - is their religion. It's a gathering of like-minds, nothing more. There is often little difference between the way they view the world and the way the Pharisees that murdered Christ did so long ago.

If that mishandling of responsibility has not utterly soured the Gospel to you, I strongly urge you to take an interest in Greek. Any time I re-read a passage in the KJV, I will always check it against different Greek manuscripts and translations. William Barclay has an excellent translation of the New Testament available through amazon.com - he does not hold any punches where any variation in available manuscripts exist and has produced the most direct and consistent translation of the New Testament I have ever come across. Either way, God bless you.

(And for others reading this reply, don't be dismayed. The Gospel Truth is still found in the KJV - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.")

I was trying to be honest and sincere.

in fact I was. no, I do not fear the Lord.....
that one really got me back in the day. (nothing to do with you)
I DO KNOW what fear is. tall ladders still scare me to this day. so do boilers at times.
high voltage does not scare me.

I am not soured on the god-spell. (gospel) I am a deist. and as another has pointed out... no, I do not think that .... I think that I need to earn recognition.

I probably got that from a parable, but I cannot quote it.

thanks for putting up with me.

Honest and Sincere?

I was also honest and sincere in my response to what you said. I see you missed the context, though.

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thanks for that link

will check it out
is it possible king james duped the christians? yes highly
Do you see any christians celebrating easter/christmas/lent?
Then yes,they were duped,but to explain that,is like pulling teeth from a
raging lion...it doesn't end very well,and you make enemies out of some of them.

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

that was why I posted the query here.

civil discourse is very important. "politics and religion" have been taboo subjects in this country for SO long...
that most people today have an IQ on BOTH subjects of around oh...say..

room temperature.

we need to rally the troops Dude, how can we make progress within this very important demographic?

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politics and religion

are still taboo,even here amongst the so-called truth seekers.
If anything challenges their own thought patterns,it will get dismissed,but not before they show their hatred when something is exposed.
I have family members who are pastors in church,they do not listen,nor can i tempt them to look any further than what others have told them
The last church i went to,i challenged the pastors,and the men of the honor bound classes,this fell on deaf ears.They knew what I meant,but it went against the grain,so I was dismissed and rebuked
Them so-called elders would not hear me,as it would their bottom line.
I confronted an elder about committing adultery...the response was...I did not commit adultery,that is done with the heart!!!!
One older lady told me,I was radical,because I would not vote for the chosen
candidate for PREZ, but told her I was voting for Ron Paul.
She told me the military was defending our freedoms,I asked How,she told me
think of how safe we are since 9-11....so my response shocked her,I told her
the ones from afganistan and iraq had nothing to do with 9-11,and my bible doesn't say to blow up brown people.....she mentioned ww2,and how we were kept safe from germany and japan....OOOHHH?!?! would you like me to send you and email about what really happened to get us involved in that war??
I got a big fat NOOOOOOO.and at that,she was done with me
her daughter is a state rep,i questioned her about ending property taxes
I told her it amounted to theft,rent,and it made us all slaves.now one would think that mentioning being a slave to the state would open an eye,but it didn't.My comment was ignored,but she did ask me for a vote!!!
To the ones i know,fdr,and them bushes are great people,bush being a great christian
So,I would say,nothing will change until they want to hear it,and it just causes hatred and bad feelings until that time

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

A Christian is someone that believes and has a personal

relationship with Christ. They have acknowledged his existence and in many cases His lordship over their lives. Each day is a walk with the creator of the universe.

To say that you are "no longer a Christian" is liking saying you were once married with kids but no longer believe your wife exists. It makes no sense.

This is why many Christians would argue that no one who is truly a Christian can lose the faith so to speak.

As for the KJV translation, many modern bibles use a different translation that distorts the Greek. As I understand it the KJV translation strictly adheres to the original text where other modern versions impose a different view of God, Christ, and who they are. This was confirmed more recently with the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls. You will find that the KJV is advocated by the most fundamental of Christian churches. I guarantee our friend Chuck Baldwin uses the KJV in all his sermons and he is a fierce advocate for liberty. Please explain again how this has made us docile.

The plot to blow up the parliament in England has little to do with killing the King, who wouldn't have been in the parliament...

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops


is actually one of the worst translations out there, aside from the blatantly heretical ones like the Jehovah's Witness version. Mind you, this is not an accusation by any means - it's still a legitimate translation, just a mediocre one.

Modern translations, in particular the ESV and the NASB, are much closer to the original languages. A friend of mine who's quite the language scholar has the version closest to the original - it literally weighs twice as much as your average Bible due to all the paper added by footnotes!

I have no particular problem with the KJV as a translation, but I do take issue with folks treating it like the be-all end-all, when it's far from it. The be-all end-all is to read it in the original language, really.

KJV would not actually be

the least "distorted" (using your term) translation into English from the Greek. If you are looking for the most "word for word" translation, the NASB and its variants are that. The KJV and its variants would probably be second. The translators were very skilled, and went out of their way to make it beautiful. It is the KJV that anchors what would become modern English. It does have a few hundred words that are no longer used in the way they are used in the KJV, some mean completely the opposite.

You may be referring to the KJV and NKJV use if "Byzantine" style texts, and that most other translations now use older "Alexandrian" style texts. Sincere Christians have varying opinions on these texts. The KJV supporters believe that the older texts tended to come from Egypt (the main center of early Christianity) were influenced by heresies and dropped some of the stronger portions of the references to Christ's divinity intentionally. Meanwhile many today tend to believe that some of these portions of verses were copied from text notes by monks who did not really understand the Greek they were copying. Remember, our modern text with UPPER and lower case letters and punctuation did not come about until later(9th to 12th centuries). Older manuscripts are all written in all uncials (upper case only, no spacing or lower case letters). The oldest Hebrew texts did not even include vowels. The reason they tend to think this is that most of the disputed verses are simply longer in the KJV as thought somebody was explaining things. In either case, most of the differences are really quite minor if you study them.

Personally, I recommend a copy of each for any serious study. Just stay away from paraphrases like The Word or The Living Bible if you want to study anything.

Your sources are way off on the Dead Sea Scrolls stuff though. The scrolls all predate New Testament periods. There are three types of texts:
1. Old Testament/Jewish canonical texts
2. Apocryphal texts
3. Sectarian texts that explain the specific beliefs of the Qumran sect.
You will not find anything to support KJV there.

The King did not go to parliament?

sorry, but I have discovered that I have been lied to on an epic scale, this is not to say that you are wrong.

apparently, the supposition is that the reason that King James rewrote the book, was to promote the "divine right of Kings"
what he did was to get rid of the footnotes.
is this true? I do not know.

but it sounds about right to me.

the Christians here are NOT docile. and very sincerely, that was why I asked the question here.
Brother Chuck gets it, you get it....I get it.

but that most Christians do not "get it" is self evident.
or we would have won in a landslide.

no, I cannot jettison long held beliefs. they are still just as strong as ever.
thank you for the response.

King James

did not actually write the bible that bears his name. There was a pretty distinguished group of scholars to do that. By this time the divine right of kings thing was quite limited in England. He mostly wanted a bible that was learned, accurate, beautifully written and acceptable to everybody. The Geneva Bible footnotes were strongly Calvinist with Puritan leanings, which annoyed everybody else, which would seem to be a good reason for him to want to get rid of them.

The Geneva bible with the footnotes you refer to was used heavily by Oliver Cromwell and his people, and I would be hard pressed to believe that a "Lord Protector" for life is really better than a king. Two sides of the same coin really.

you probably just saved me what.. a year of study?

my efforts are to do what I can while I am here... spending time on semantics and minutiae is....
contrary to the central message.
it seems pretty clear to me that both politics and religion are centered on Psychology.
and of course, the manipulation thereof.

it is very little wonder that people are so confused.

For more clarity on the gunpowder plot, try to watch a past

post of mine.


Notice I said try--that's because it's made by a very amateur film maker. But it will make a lot of pieces fit if you can get through it.


Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Context IS the central message . . .

The central message of anything written or spoken is carried by the context, which is what semantics would attempt to explore. If only the general IQ in this field were higher than room-temp . . .

It seems pretty clear to me that what you call psychology is a failure to accept any outward, extra-human existence of both law and God, and you declare your own semantics the final authority as your effort. You call any other context "minutiae". Many people do this, assured that anything beyond what they believe is nothing but confusion, so don't think I'm picking on you. Both religion and political philosophy are a quagmire of circular logic because of this fact.

My bad. I am a Deist.

my argument for the existence of a "God" is based on science and proven fact.
we humans cannot even explain gravity for --- sake.
Newton only quantified it on earth.
yes, I DO know why "dark matter" is SO fricking dark!

I do not try to contain God. and especially not within the confines of a book.

why is there a line that runs up the backside of my penis? (yes, all males have one)
why did the damn thing not come with instructions for use?
(humor, sarcasm)
nothing to blow a fuse over.... speaking of that, this one has cost me two now in my truck...

What ignoring semantics gets you -

We do agree on a lot, so I should not disagree with your confusion. My bad. However, since I believe in an objective honesty and sincerity, I have to elaborate.

This is where a failure to understand semantics will get you. Did you think discussing science would "intimidate the Christian", or were you reading my past comments? I posted what you said both about gravity - almost verbatim - and the scientific proof of God almost a week ago here.

Books don't contain Nature, they help human beings understand it. Likewise, you could not contain God within a book anymore than you could contain Nature, but now I wonder how much you actually believe you understand about Dark Matter. How could you possibly think you "know why 'dark matter' is SO fricking dark!" if you didn't understand it by reading (or hearing) of its mechanics contained in words? Trust me, it was not by any empirical observation - even if you worked at NASA. So by your logic, you should throw out any book you own - it could not possibly contain anything that would help you understand anything. No book contains a deeper understanding of something beyond Natural human comprehension.

And again, for a laugh, did you believe that talking about your penis would "intimidate the Christian?" You should question why there is so little beneath it first before considering why there's a line on its backside. (That was humor, by the way. I hope you caught the context. I've got a box of fuses here if you didn't.)

And one more thing - thanks for the video. I love ZZ Top.

If anything, this type of "Deism" is good for a laugh. To be forced to accept the likelihood of a deistic ontology can drive a free-thinker mad, I understand. I do not believe God is contained within a book any more than you do. I've been down that road, and it was a personal experience with Jesus Christ that changed my mind and heart. But your logic is no different than the "Christian god-spellers" that pushed us both away from the Truth.

This is the same guy

Who has written countless articles on homosexuality. Pot calling the kettle black Chuck.

Why shouldn't he have a position on homosexuality?

Do you believe that he shouldn't have a stance on the topic?

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

He can have a view on it

He can hate it or love it that's not what I am getting at, but when he has written like 20+ articles on it then says we should look past it to focus on other topics I don't understand where he is coming from. Should everyone but him look past it? Was it a mistake for him to bring it up in the past? He is not very clear on his own history.

He wasn't saying 'look past it'. He was saying it's pitiful

Christians will come together to rally for a TV personality whilst ignoring all the treachery being committed in the name of government.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I like his straight talk.

I like his straight talk.

Churches have been bought out

For thirty pieces of silver. Or shall I say 501 Tax exemption .They have to stay quiet. Never to discuss politics and good candidate's for office. Three monkeys hear no, see no, speak no evil. To me most churches just want to pour some sugar on everything. In the name of love. We were supposed to be salt of the earth. My opinion.

Money talks and dogs bark

They've been either bought

and/or infiltrated by those using the pulpit for propaganda long ago. TAX THE CHURCHES that get involved in politics I say...and that'd be all of them.

RP R3VOLution

I almost wish that was all it was (501c3). I think they just

don't care---unless it touches their precious entertainment.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Napolitano/Baldwin 2016.

Napolitano/Baldwin 2016.