Florida Primary Today
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 13:31
Good luck today, Dr. Paul! Good luck everyone!
Whatever happens today, Ron Paul is in for the long haul. If you have not done so, read about it here! Giuliani, has hinted that he might drop out if he doesn't win today, so our chances keep getting better. Huckabee will probably be gone as well for lack of money. People, we can win this thing. Don't believe what you hear on the TV - they have their own interests. We are Ron Paul's Media!!!
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Diebold machines admittedly do not work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yWdoaO_k0g
Texas Hold-em
Freedom IS highly contagious
Ron Paul Texas hold-em style, “a chip and a chair”.
You see in a tournament you want to start out playing “tight” and after most of you’re opponents have lost all there chips, it’s time to start playing “aggressive”.
I cant wait to see Ron Paul play “heads up poker”
Freedom IS highly contagious
Lets not forget, Ron Paul was beat by the loser that is dropping
Lets not forget, Ron Paul was beat by the loser that is dropping out today, Guliani. People here make comments about how brain washed Americans are, well that might be true, but you are equally brainwashed if you think Paul has ANY chance of winning the republican nomination at this point. Even if the leading candidates died he would not get the nomination (someone like bloomberg or some popular hollywood actor would step in). It doesn't help to bring in crazy conspiratorial vote rigging accusations.
People didn't vote for him because he was never able to get the mainstream media to consider him a viable candidate - that is party because he is viewed by many as being too extreme.
NPR did a little segment on "word association" for ALL of the major candidates including Ron Paul, they just asked random people what word(s) came to mind first when they named a candidate. I'm sure you can find the audio on the internet somewhere, heck it was probably posted here, I don't remember exactly, but the words that came first to mind were things like "radical", "loon", "fringe", and "libertarian". Heck, those might not even be all bad, except for the fact that you can't get elected that way...
People want to be lied to, it makes them feel good. The truth is too scary.
TO: Tradergordo
You should NOT expect anything less than this AFTER the Media has gotten done mangling Dr. Paul. Yes, we all want to win, but what is becoming MORE and MORE clear to me is that we must influence the delegates at the convention, because our country's life is on the line right now.
With the NAU and the CFR plotting behind our backs, it is imminent that America is no longer going to exist...soon. Do you think the Europeans are happy about the EURO? Is that the reason they ALL supported Ron Paul??
The CFR couldn't be happier to see the anointed McCain & Clinton or Obama taking the throne. Why? Because their AGENDA will move, then, on a FAST track.
Don't make this a "be all or end all" proposition. Yes, the bid for Presidency may be over, but why mention the negatives at this point. IF Dr. Paul does not achieve that, it is mainly due to the MEDIA, and secondly, yes, I am VERY suspicious about McCain's numbers, especially in New Hampshire where 34% of the Republicans were against the war, and he gets the numbers he got, and Ron Paul didn't and should have gotten those 34%?? You need and must be MORE concerned with the disintegration of America now, and what we, as a group, will be able to organize to stop this crap.
You have McCain and the rest who WILL DO NOTHING to stop illegal immigration which plays into their plan of the replacement of the DOLLAR and the instigation of the Amero, along with the continuation at high speed of the NAFTA highway and the theft of thousands of personal private lands to SPAIN and other countries who will get a piece of the pie for all those tolls. Did you not know this?? FOCUS on America and Americans who will be suffering soon, as a result of the CFR goals.
Tonight's debate, I predict, will be extremely interesting, especially for Dr. Paul, regardless of the shenanigans the Media tries to pull on him.
Hate to say it, but you are
Hate to say it, but you are the reason someone like Dr. Paul can't win. If you just gave your above post to an average American how do you think they would react? You sound like a conspiracy nut. Conspiracy nuts are not taken seriously.
p.s. There is no NAFTA superhighway or an Amero. We have enough problems already without inventing ones that don't exist.
are you suggesting...
...that we all throw in our white flags in defeat then and for us to bow down to the all powerful corporate controlled mainstream media?
I for one absolutely Refuse to allow the MSM to tell me who to vote for...I for one will vote by principles, character, and even if Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP Nomination....even if he doesn't get on the General Election ballot (note: I'll let the voters tell me who will be the Nominee and on the General Election ballot...NOT the MSM)
I will be voting for Ron Paul, period. and the only thing that can stand in my way of casting my vote is Death!
I'll write his name in if he isn't on the General Elections ballot and again only one thing can stop me and that is Death! I truly believe and am convinced 100% that Ron Paul is the Only person that can Save America.
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"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln
Its good that you vote your
Its good that you vote your conscience. I can tell you right now I won't vote for McCain, Mit, Hillary, or Obama. But you can't pin your hopes for the country on one man. Even if Paul were president, which isn't going to happen, he still would have his hands tied - you can't do jack without congress, and congress isn't changing for the better. One man can't change congress either - Ron Paul's been there for 12 years and what has he accomplished?!
I don't know what is more likely - complete overhaul of the government "as is" or complete destruction and rebuild from the ruins.
Tomorrow Night's Debate!
RP needs to be very aggressive in the debate tomorrow and give all the candidates a pocket copy of the Constitution! Give them all a reading assignment in-front of the MSM! Stronger TV Ads, Facts about the other candidates and bring the YouTube/Google Informational videos out to the people NOW! His message MUST be shared!
How any one person can make a serious difference in the outcome
If you are wondering, like many people, how you can help, you will want to read this.
Many years ago, I worked for a company called AMWAY which conducted PYRAMID SALES and made millions doing it.
If you apply the same principles as Amway to promoting Ron Paul, one person can actually be responsible for hundred and maybe thousands of new votes. Here is the simple formula to use. No money is needed, just a little dedicated time.
How it works:
Find any two people, (your parents, friends, strangers), who currently are not Ron Paul supporters, and sit them down and explain to them why you believe that Ron Paul is our last best chance at saving our liberties and our constitution. Show them the various videos and websites and educate them to who Ron Paul is and what he stands for. Make sure you SHOW them the sites and the videos, Do not just give them the links as many people over 45 are not internet savvy.
After you convince them that Ron Paul is the right and only choice make each of the two people you are communicating with PROMISE to do the same exact thing with two new people. Explain to them the importance of them carrying this forward and that they must dedicate some of their time to getting 2 more people each and convince those people to do the day same.
Do the math- 2 becomes 4 becomes 8 becomes 16 becomes 32 becomes 64 becomes 128 becomes 256 becomes 512 becomes 1,024 people.
In the above scenario – word of mouth turns into thousands of votes by ONE SINGLE PERSON. I am not talking about 1 person spending 5 minutes carrying signs to reach out to hundreds of viewers. I am talking a single person taking his or her time out to make sure that 2 other people are converted to Ron Paul and seeing to it that they tell 4 others to do the same.
This is one of the very few real ways we can overcome a bias media that will continue to ignore our candidate and our liberties.
Give me your thoughts and SAVE THIS MESSAGE so that you can pass it to others
You nailed it!
This is my approach, exactly. A philosophy and nuanced message as "radical" as Ron Paul's "LIBERTY" needs personal, informed, persistent attention, not some flashy 30 second ad or slim jim. ONE person actually and completely CONVINCING just TWO people creates THREE committed VOTERS AND DONORS.
This is an EFFECTIVE methodolgy for revolution. Keep it in mind for next time (or for all of the time.....).
Thanks for laying it out there.
"Luctor et Emergo" - Struggle and Emerge
Florida Totals by County
60,042 votes
3.2%
Votes each County
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/2008PPP/20080129_REP_DET_PRE.html
precinct 110, escambia county
Here are the results for my precinct, precinct 110, in Escambia county.
383 Mike Huckabee
118 Ron Paul
79 Mitt Romney
23 John McCain
3 Rudy Giuliani
1 Tom Tancredo
0 Duncan Hunter
0 Fred Thompson
Granted, our precinct is controlled mostly by a local Christian college. Most of the people in the neighborhood work at the college. The pastor was rooting for Huckabee and they couldn't be any more pro-Israel warmongering than they are.
I think the IRS should know
about this pastor's political activity.
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Good luck to us all,
Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
post some signs on the campus
mikehuckabeeforum.com has lots of useful information for that "Christian" college.
The Revolution Continues at http://nationbuilder.org
Idea To Greatly Increase Support For Ron Paul and get his messag
There are many great videos on this website regarding Ron Paul and videos exposing the other candidates on their issues and etc... I think it would be a great idea for us grassroots people to post the video link on blogs and forums on the other candidates topic sites.
For example, that video with McCain and Miss America or whatever she is, that makes McCain look like a fool --- we should scour the Internet for sites that support McCain and post the video link there. But do it in a clever manner so they don't know it's exposing McCain for who he is. The title and body in the post could read something like "Have You Seen This Video of McCain? It's Shocking! Is it true?" or something like this so they won't think you are a Ron Paul supporter and ban you (at least right away) and have the link. That's it! So when his supporters click on the video and start watching it, it can accomplish two things:
1 - It will expose the other candidates for who they really are
2 - It will give many people exposure to Ron Paul and his message
We can do this with the great audio on the Romney Interview, Guiliani and Huckabee Videos and etc...
But remember to keep the posts simple and to the point and NOT mention Ron Paul or any negative comments within the posts so their supporters will click on the links.
So with our combined grassroots dedication and numbers, we can post to thousands of blogs/forums out there and get many potential people coming out to support Ron Paul! Plus it doesn't cost anything!
Good luck to you all and GO RON PAUL!!!
Spread This Idea to Other Ron Paul Supporters
We can get thousands of posts up before Super Tuesday.
I just don't understand...
...how the percentages could have stayed exactly the same throughout All the votes for every candidate. I just find that hard to believe.
Does anybody have a link for the county to county results?
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"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln
I don't either
I noticed this in most of the recent elections. It's not a stretch to think that the electronic counting spits out predetermined results. Total b f'n s if you ask me. I have absolutely no faith in the people running these elections. I hope people from FL follow the ballots like Bev Harris.
why are the voter turn out totals LESS than votes received?
on http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ under "Voter Turnout" there is only 926,693 voters but there is more than 1.5 million in total votes under "U.S. President" for the republican party????
www.ivotedforpaul.com
Someone pls start a www.ivotedforpaul.com website.
That way after we cast our vote we can verify it on the site using our voter id # than compare it to the ‘official’ tally. Alot of us know the vote is rigged. But how many realize that Mccain is a Real Manchurain Candidate? As a prisoner of the N. Vietnamese he was brainwashed and programmed to run for President and hand the US to the Maoist.
He will be the rival against Obama. From what I can tell Obama-Edwards are rigged to win this one and their dedication to extreme socialism is well known.
So why keep fighting for Ron Paul? BECAUSE HIS MESSAGE IS BIGGER THAN THE MAN. Lets all start running for office across the USA as Ron paul Republicans. That will be our great revenge!!!
Diebold machines - make your vote Die - and switch!
I did my part, voting for Ron Paul, while my wife cast her vote for Mike Gravel, considering that Kucinich is out of the race.
The machines are still the same: you make your selections, press the "Vote" button, and the poll worker removes the memory cartridge from the desktop.
No print-out. No ballot box. No nothing. Voting into thin air.
Then I stood outside for several hours handing out Ron Paul flyers.
Not too much positive feedback, since my precinct is mostly Dem & African American working class.
My rhetoric was:
- The only candidate who pledges to bring back the troops quickly
- The only candidate who voted against going into Iraq
- The only candidate who wants to abolish the IRS
- The taxpayers' best friend
- The only candidate with a real plan to save our economy
- The only candidate who will stop filling the jails for dope offenses
Those who did listen had their interest piqued.
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I've got a lot of flyers left over - need to find somebody in a future primary state to mail them to, no use for them here now...
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And my "gut" tells me that the electronic-no-trail-no-verification machine tallies are whatever was programmed into them...
Just look up any of the youtube demos of how easy it is to pre-program them, or pre-program the central tabulators...
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And on another note, I believe:
1) That all primaries should be held on the SAME DAY
2) That all votes should be by Universal Sufferage, not by Electoral Votes
Then, we'd have much more of a chance of seeing a government "for, by and of the people". We wouldn't have this "machete elimination" process which denies so many voters from so many states from voting for their first candidate of choice. And we wouldn't be draining the funds from the candidates with the least corporate financing.
Oh, well... What are we likely to have? More monarchy of not just a "two party system sold out to the same lobbies & corporations", but a "two family dynasty"... since daddy Bush started as VP (running the show) under Reagan -- 2 terms, then one term as prez, then Clinton 2 terms, then baby Bush 2 terms... so far that adds up to 7 terms of 4 years, so 28 years... and looking to 2 more terms of Hillary, so 36 years of nepotism at the service of the Military Industrial Complex, the Pharmaceutical Lobby, AIPAC, Wall Street & the International Bankers, the Multinational Corporations... selling out our Industrial Production base, debasing our currency by letting the secretive private banking "Federal Reserve" print monopoly money 24/7, never respecting the Constitution, waging taxpayer-funded wars on "ideas" (drugs, poverty, terrorism), encouraging the NEW SLAVERY of the POPULATION, namely having everybody so deep in debt that they are essentially INDENTURED SERVANTS.
Well, that's my rant this election night, as I get ready to send another donation to Ron Paul... with the hope that one of these days he becomes... hmmm... let's say "AGGRESSIVE" in his televised debates, calling a skunk a skunk - not just "hinting" at his opponents' previous or current positions and voting records on issues, but SLAMMING THEM!
'Til that happens, he'll appear like a "nice granddaddy one would go to for a different view", not a LEADER with... balls.
Okay - lemme log out and donate another C-note...
Rudy: RON PAUL WON ALL THE DEBATES
Did anyone else see this? I thought I was reading "The Spoof" the first time I saw it.
http://polstate.com/?p=5217
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/b...
What he say
What did Rudy say about Ron Paul I missed it
The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to contro
Uh, there was a little "smirk" in his voice
As reported:
Giuliani said he had spoken to Romney and he commended McCain, as well as Mike Huckabee – and Ron Paul – “who won all of the debates,’’ Giuliani added.
Then he continued that Ron Paul "won" all the online polls.
But, pretty positive from Rudy. ;-/
Florida win
Well, looks like Guiliani has bit the dust. He will hand over whatever mojo he has left to McLieberman. Huckabee will be next to fold. The Democrats are split in half. A few more months in the killing fields of the mid-East will cool off support for the Republican War Party. Ron will hold his ground, and his followers as well. Now, let's enjoy the show as McLieberman and Romney tear one another apart.
Stirner.
Matches the Ramussen Poll
The Ramussen poll predicted Ron Paul to get 4%. This is within the margin of error.
Yeah, sure slapshot
Aren't you on the wrong forum? This site is for supporters of Ron Paul. If you believe in polls and predictions (and honest vote counts) then you believe in Santa Claus and MSM front-runners.
Faith-based polling?
So on one hand we have scientific evidence, and on the other we have blind hope.
When George Bush believes that God made the dinosaurs and the world is 2000 years old we call him an idiot for putting blind hope before science.
But here, we have a whole pile of polls taken before and after the Florida election, during the Florida election, and after the Florida election which all show the exact same thing: Ron Paul at 3 or 4%. But, you want to put blind hope with no credible evidence in front of actual numbers. Who is the idiot now?
It's one thing to believe in Ron Paul. It's another to put all evidence aside and live in a make-believe world where Ron Paul won Florida because that's what we want to have happened. You are living in a delusional fantasy land if you think RP won Florida. He didn't even campaign there.
Stalin Said:
“He who votes decides nothing. He who counts the votes decides everything.”
The ballot box doesn’t work anymore,
Diebold decides elections, not the electorate.
P.S. - Cooking the polls helps too! - ever heard of Frank Luntz?
Unfortunately the official polls are accurate
So far Paul's at 3% in the Florida primary, which pretty much agrees with the polls. In fact the polls have been pretty accurate in the other primaries too. Depressing, but true. I wish we could just deduct the cost of the Iraq war from people's social security checks and then all those retirees in Florida might have a different view of the war.