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Star Trek and Socialism: A Fantastical Love Story

I always wondered what the monetary system was in Star Trek. They never seem to exchange anything whenever they order those "Double Klingonian Brain-Numb" Shots at the Galacti-bar. Also, who's job is it to clean up after Commander Ryker when he's finished "using" the Holodeck?

Red Shirt #1: "Who used the Holodeck last, it's all....sticky and humid in here?!?"

Red Shirt #2: "What does the Log say?"

Both of them: "...Ryker"

And then they die.

Still one of the best shows ever written, but it's confirmed...Captain Kirk and Captain Picard were Socialists.

http://theemptiness.info/2011/03/socialism-a-love-story-star...

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Ferengi Rules of Aquisition for the Paulite.

Don't forget, exploitation begins at home.

Once you have their money ... never give it back.
3. Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
6. Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
6. A man is only worth the sum of his possessions. (From Enterprise, episode "Acquisition"; sloppy script-writing, as rule 6 (see above) was already given in DS9)
7. Keep your ears open.
8. Small print leads to large risk.
9. Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
10. Greed is eternal.
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
16. A deal is a deal ... until a better one comes along.
17. A contract is a contract is a contract (but only between Ferengi).
18. A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
21. Never place friendship above profit.
22. A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
23. Nothing is more important than your health--except for your money.
27. There's nothing more dangerous than an honest businessman.
31. Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother ... insult something he cares about instead.
33. It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
34. War is good for business.
35. Peace is good for business.
40. She can touch your lobes but never your latinum.
41. Profit is its own reward.
44. Never confuse wisdom with luck.
45. Expand, or die.
47. Don't trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.
48. The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
49. Females and finance don't mix.
52. Never ask when you can take.
57. Good customers are as rare as latinum -- treasure them.
58. There is no substitute for success.
59. Free advice is seldom cheap.
60. Keep your lies consistent.
62. The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
65. Win or lose, there's always Hyperian beetle snuff.
75. Home is where the heart is ... but the stars are made of latinum.
76. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
79. Beware of the Vulcan greed for knowledge.
82. The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
85. Never let the competition know what you're thinking.
89. Ask not what your profits can do for you, but what you can do for your profits.
94. Females and finances don't mix.
97. Enough ... is never enough.
98. Every man has his price. (DS9 season 6, episode 19 - "In the Pale Moonlight")
99. Trust is the biggest liability of all.
102. Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.
103. Sleep can interfere with profit. (DS9 season 2, episode 7 - "Rules of Acquisition")
104. Faith moves mountains ... of inventory.
106. There is no honour in poverty.
109. Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
111. Treat people in your debt like family ... exploit them.
112. Never have sex with the boss's sister.
113. Always have sex with the boss.
117. You can't free a fish from water.
121. Everything is for sale, even friendship.
123. Even a blind man can recognize the glow of latinum.
125. You can't make a deal if you're dead. (DS9 season 7, episode 8 - "The Siege of AR-558")
139. Wives serve, brothers inherit.
141. Only fools pay retail.
144. There's nothing wrong with charity ... as long as it winds up in your pocket.
162. Even in the worst of times someone turns a profit.
168. Whisper your way to success. (DS9 season 7, episode 9 - "Covenant")
177. Know your enemies ... but do business with them always.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
189. Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.
190. Hear all, trust nothing.
192. Never cheat a Klingon ... unless you're sure you can get away with it.
194. It's always good business to know about new customers before they walk in the door.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
203. New customers are like razortoothed grubworms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they can bite back.
208. Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
211. Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
214. Never begin a negotiation on an empty stomach.
217. You can't free a fish from water.
218. Always know what you're buying.
223. Beware the man who doesn't make time for oo-mox.
229. Latinum lasts longer than lust.
236. You can't buy fate.
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
242. More is good ... all is better.
255. A wife is a luxury ... a smart accountant is a necessity.
261. A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
263. Never allow doubt to tarnish your love of latinum.
266. When in doubt, lie.
284. Deep down everyone's a Ferengi.
285. No good deed ever goes unpunished.
286.[Quark's rule] When Morn leaves, it's all over.

the economics of Star Trek

I will take the Ferengi economy over Earth's any day of the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MUVGTdXkzk

absolutely the star trek universe is totalitarian

socialism.

I can't believe there was any doubt.

the only thing I really disagree with this article on is

that he kept saying you have to have money to have a society, but he forgot about barter. and trade.

What's the spot price of Gold Pressed Latinum at right now?

Anyone know? I'm getting 10k soon since the Boeing contract passed, and am interested in investing it. Anyone know of a good Ferengi Financial Planner to talk to? thx :)

Also in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

After going back in time to the 1980s and landing on Earth, Kirk says "Theyre still using money. We have to get some"

And thats where they sell an antique pair of eyeglasses for $100.

Actually in Startrek First

Actually in Startrek: First Contact, Picard specifically says that there is no money. Everything is voluntary.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

they enforce laws

all over the galaxy. In the later start treks. The government has total power to do as it wishes and the individual is subject to the governments laws.

I must've missed that...

If everything is voluntary, and replicators make everything, what incentive is there to work?

"One Replicator, please"

"Here you are sir, happy to help"

...and now you have the possibility to make anything you want. Time to eat burgers, smoke a metric ton of weed, drink the best wines, and watch nothing but Scooby-Doo reruns...all for "free".

The future can't come quick enough.

They seem to figure out how

They seem to figure out how to eliminate greed in the future. When a replicator can produce food and anything else you need out of thin air, people do not feel a sense of scarcity.

Hopefully 3d printers will be able to eliminate the need to buy 90% of stuff we normally buy made of plastic/metal. Those printers are going to put a lot of Chinese out of manufacturing.

The Ferengi on Star Trek are obviously depictions of present day uncaring greedy humans. Do Ferengi ships have Ron Paul bumperstickers? Lol. Captains Kirk, and Picard, do fly around the galaxy offering other planets to join their collective, and join their communist utopia.

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Nimbus III

We forbad them weapons, they soon began to fashion their own.

http://youtu.be/CAV9_EF0X7Y

From what I recall, in the

From what I recall, in the Star Trek world humanity had achieved abundance through technology.

Who makes the technology? Is

Who makes the technology? Is it free? lol, you see where I'm getting at?

In the future, the people own

In the future, the people own the means of production.

yeah Gene Roddenberry

yeah Gene Roddenberry believed that one day man will evolve, where the need for government and money will be unnecessary. I don't think they were true socialist, in the fact that they wanted to use force to get what they want, they just felt one day, we're gonna come to the realization that we need to help each other, not because we get something out of it, but because its the right thing to do. Growing up as a kid I was(still am lol) a big Star Trek fan. I mean the message is just beautiful. I wish that on eday we can travel the galaxies! but that day also scares me, such a conflicted feeling.