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The forums are flooded with religionists

The question is why? Why now?

Have they been essentially kicked out of the GOP and are now looking for new people to bother?



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Not everyone lives near a coast

Cheers,

donvino

Is this post serious?

I'm pretty sure most people are religious, or have a religion they ascribe to. So should we shut out people who have religion? How in the hell would we reach people by filtering out the majority? Doesn't make sense.

-Matthew Good

Doesn't make sense does it.

Claim to want liberty and freedom, yet try to divide and expel the very people who will fight with them for these goals. That very simply tells me that their goal of somehow killing God is more important to them than the freedom and liberty that the majority seek. These people are but a very small, very vocal, very hateful bunch who live under a troll bridge.

I countered one of the down-votes.

Civil discourse about religions in general can be enlightening, but trying to drag religion into every issue doesn't help one bit.

Makes sense.

"trying to drag religion into every issue doesn't help one bit." so you upvote a topic that is not only 'dragging' religion into it, but it is solely about religion.

Ironic

The only religious post I've been seeing lately are the ones from people complaining about it. Just because some of the people have daddy issues and your daddy happened to be religious, doesn't mean all religious people are like that. Martin Luther King and Ghandi were both religious and Ron Paul admired both.

All religionist are equal but secular-religionist ARE more equal

than others. (to paraphrase Animal Farm, by George Orwell)

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Religionist? Really?

I normally don't see any 'religious' post until the anti theist show up. For some reason anti theist can't stand someone even mentioning their faith, or how their faith directs their personal lives. It is somehow twisted to claim that by mentioning faith then it is somehow being shoved down your throats. I see post after post trying to discount anyone who has a faith in God, and I see post after post of anti theist trying to tell me what God's word says and means, which I find hilarious. I'd love to see the multitude of religious post who are trying to somehow force their ways into your life. Perhaps you, and those of your ilk, should start a group like GLAAD or the NAACP that can claim the mere mention of Faith or God as infringing upon your rights. Perhaps you would be happier in a world where religion is outlawed and everyone is required to live in a secular existence. Two things I find quite funny around the Daily Paul. Anti Theist who claim to know the Bible, and people claiming to be libertarian at heart yet spewing filth and ugliness at anyone who dares to live life a little differently than them.

I won't even get into the way anti theist paint everyone with faith as if we are all identical clones who believe whatever it is you claim we believe or think. It's hard to respect someone who doesn't know the difference between a label and an individual.

They "paint everyone with faith..all identical clones". PERFECT!

Dale, sweet sister, thank you for your insightful and confirming words!

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Right

on.

Excellent question.

I thought the liberty movement was about being free and letting everyone live their own life the way they want. To me that includes not pushing your beliefs onto others, or including god in legislation, as a legislation for everyone simply cannot have anything to do with some organized religious factions view of the world.

Just as we do not want the government in everything related to our lives, there is neither room for organized religion.

Being free to exercise your religious freedom, whether you believe in one of the hundreds of different incarnations of god, the Spaghetti monster, Satan, the Sun, Thor & Loki, or whatnot. Doesn't give you the right to do it to every other fellow mans face, as there's plenty who do not share a religious affiliation, and they have the right to be free too.

Being free, has very little to do with Jesus.

Stonewall Jackson Summed It Up

..and to quote:
"If you don't like what you see, post something you would like to see.
Just my friendly advice."

I, myself find it offensive that "Christians" are being "painted" with a "broad brush" and described as "Religeonists" (sic) by those who are so wound up in their fervor of "Anti-Christianity" that they cannot spell the word correctly.
RELIGIONISTS
Please make a note of this correct spelling, thank you.

I will not be posting an "Anti-Atheist Article".
That would unnecessarily "flood" this website with trolls.
Live and let live....I turn the other cheek....and finally:
Give someone enough rope...and they'll hang themselves.
Hopefully we can all hang together as per Ben Franklin.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I don't care how people worship in the privacy of their own home

It's just when they try to push their religious lifestyle onto others, and flaunt their religious ways out in public, that's when I get slightly annoyed.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

I don't care how people sodomize each other in the privacy

of their own home. It's just when they try to push their sodomy lifestyle onto others, and flaunt their sodomy ways out in public, that's when I get slightly annoyed.

yep, exactly

Now do you get it? The way you feel about gays is the way others feel about your proselytizing.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Perhaps you should get a dictionary

and look up the word 'proselytizing', because you obviously don't know what it means. Please explain how this person is 'proselytizing'. Please Ed Ucate me.

Using your logic

You are pushing your view on me, and I'm annoyed. People have the right to talk to others, share their beliefs and post their beliefs. If you don't like it, walk away, ignore or don't read what they have to say. Sure, you can feel annoyed, but they can feel something too. That's life, deal with it.

please show me

some of the post where somebody 'religious' is pushing their ways onto you. I'd like to see them.

Does this qualify?

"All True "Born Again" Christians are creationists!
Submitted by holbrook on Wed, 01/08/2014 - 08:34. Permalink

You simply cannot have the Holy Spirit of the Living God indwelling you and at the same time believe in a damnable, satanic lie such as this thing called evloution!"

The person who posted that

is not forcing you to do anything. Knock the chip off of your shoulder and ignore it if you don't like it. That's the adult way.

You asked.

.

No actually I did.

Tell me if I have this right please. The mere mention of someone's belief, because it varies from your belief, is seen as FORCING her ways onto you? Sounds to me like your taking a page from a lot of organizations that make their living by feigning outrage at every turn.

So please do help me understand.

Care to give a link so that I can put that into context, and figure out just how reading what this INDIVIDUAL believes, is somehow negatively affecting your life? Thanks!

Like it or not there are

Like it or not there are Christians in the Liberty movement. They have different beliefs than you but that does not make them Statists or your enemy. In fact their faith, regardless if you believe it or not, may be the counter weight in their life against the scientific dictatorship we face in America today.

Are there numerous Christians in the US that are idiot sheep that live in sin, love the government and wash it away every Sunday? Yes. However there are also people that truly follow Christ's teachings in their life and use it to be better people.

The fact is none of us know for sure what happens when we die, we can speculate, have faith in God or deity or whatever but nobody knows for sure so anyone's beliefs are as valid as another as long as we don't force it down other people's throats.

Its also why we can debate endlessly on the topic, especially when events are slow and we need a break from watching Cops shoot people. At the end of the day, through polite discourse we can learn more about other's beliefs and possibly learn something valuable from it. We can also learn more about our own beliefs and how it relates to other people.

If we cannot do that here on an online forum, there is no way we can manage it in a free society in the real world which we are trying to create.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

bump

Well said, Fishy!

I am amazed..

I've never heard more true words from a suspicious fish. :)

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The religionists are on a guilt trip.

The grim history of "Divine Providence" has them on a guilt trip. The exposure of this errant belief in America's supposed Divine Providence is a grim pill for them to swallow, IMO. We aren't "the good guys." We are not making the world a better place. We aren't on "the Lord's side." Our government is corrupt to the core. Our wars are killing innocents. We have exterminated as many people if not more than Nazi Germany did from the Korean War to now. There is tyranny all around us, and the presence of the Almighty can only be found on the facade of "In God We Trust" on our worthless money and the Ten Commandments plastered around the SCOTUS. The purity of America's birth, which I believe was Divinely inspired, has been defiled by demons, and the religionists know this. They have to justify their belief system. Ergo, all of the religious posts.

You really believe this nonsense?

I'm not sure what a 'religionist' is per your definition, but am I to assume that as a faithful follower of the teachings of Christ, that I would fall under that banner? I don't know of anyone who thinks anything close to what you have decided we think. Are there people who might believe that nonsense? Surely so. As I have related time and time again, there are two things that are hilarious about the DP and the anti theist crowd. One, most anti theist claim to know more about the Bible and the teachings of Christ, than those who read it and have a faith. Secondly, much like your post, anti theist have this innate ability to know exactly what 'religionist', as you call them, believe, think, and live.

Anyone that truly reads their Bible, AND seeks honest truth about our government and current events, would not see the world as you have claimed they see it. I will gladly admit that there are many out there that do neither of those, and they may very well fall into your labeling category. However, these people are not a majority, and are certainly no hindrance to the DP or the liberty movement in general. If you get rid of the Christians that will fight for liberty, you won't have many left to fight alongside you. Or is that part not important?

You say "they have to justify their belief system". Please explain "their belief system", why they would need to 'justify' it, what post on the DP prove your point, and perhaps how these post are somehow affecting the liberty movement or the DP in a negative way. Maybe I'm just not seeing it. Please show me.

I probably shouldn't respond

I probably shouldn't respond because this reeks of troll, but this post is exactly as useless as the religious posts.

Isaiah 59 King James Version

Isaiah 59

King James Version (KJV)

59 Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

9 Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

11 We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.

12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;

13 In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

19 So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

This used to be a libertarian minded blog.

Now it's more of a GOP tea party thing.

Some of the old timers who I admired have done a 180 here.

I don't care who is an atheist or a Bible thumper. It seems stupid to argue about religion on this site.

And for all of the folks who are going to support Rand, I guarantee people will link here to the DP for some of the stupid religion fights, just like they would link to all the lizard people posts when Ron Paul was running. If any topic should have been banned, it should have been that one, yet DP chose to ban Boston Marathon Bombing posts because it was 'too controversial'....yet Lizard People and Religion are the two most controversial topics here and are left up for others to come in and rubber neck and link back to the posts and put us in a 'way out there' light.