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Need advice on precinct chair attempt *Updated today 1/13

Update 1/13
Well we had lunch today. Things started out pretty smooth as we talked about how long we lived in the area, what all we did, etc.
But towards the end of the meal the red flags started going up.

She tip toed into what her political philosophy was and ended up giving her spiel on what all she believes in. In summary, african american, looked at Obama in 08, didn't like him, voted GOP, some uncle was on a county GOP committee, she joins our county, believes the Tea Party started in the Faith and Freedom Coalition (Palin, other co-opted Tea Party people), wants to make a change in her community that african americans can vote and be involved in GOP, etc. Basically a lot of establishment talking points and involvement with the faux tea party.

It was my turn and this is where the flags went off. Told her about my involvement, voting for Kathie Glass in 2010 for Tx Gov, two party duopoly (! red flag), Ron Paul's 2012 campaign, sham at state convention, write in campaign for Ron (! red flag), austrian economics, Hayek, Mises, Liberty movement (! red flag; she asked what their website was), then I started getting into some deep shit about how the country is made up of individuals and not voting blocs and that you can't force people into corrals that we are bustling with energy for Freedom and the original intent of the Tea Party was to remove entrenched Repubs and Dems which she countered and started talking over me how, and I quote, [her]"No matter what everyone in the GOP has to vote together", [me]"You can't force two groups to do what you want (our two county tea party groups apparently had a falling out) if they want to be two separate tea parties that is their will, you can't control it", [her]"no you have to because everyone in the GOP has to work together"...
[her] "blah blah blah I like some Democrat candidates too but I can't vote for them and if you held a gun to my head on who I'd vote for between Democrats and Republicans it would be Republicans all the time."

Lunch ended seconds after that statement. I paid for her meal and we walked out together and I told her good luck.

It's on now! I am going to run for precinct chair. I'm not going to let this sad party loyalty ruin this nation a second longer, she has a challenger!

(! red flag ) = her pupils dilated, nervous twitch occurred, body language changed to defensive

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UPDATE
My contact had to back out of lunch today and we agreed to reschedule next week. Sorry to get yalls hopes up. Till next week!
1/9/2014
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DPers, lend me your knowledge.
I am running for precinct chair in a heavily 'establishment' suburb of Houston. There is an incumbent in my precinct who is also the party's web-admin. I stood up and announced my intent to run in December and that person approached me, shook my hand, and we talked briefly on how long we each lived in the precinct. I actually went to school with her brother in the smaller grades.

We brought up the idea of having lunch together to get to know each other more (no not that way) and we are meeting tomorrow.

1st) I think this meeting is to see if I am "in with the establishment". The county president intends to invite only establishment candidates to their meetings and events through the primaries so I get the vibe I wont be liked if I win my chair.

2nd) Should I be truthful at this lunch tomorrow? Or should I say I am a Romney supporter rah-rah-rah! I'm leaning towards being honest with her even though it will set off alarms with my county's leadership.

I remember the opposite was true at the 2012 convention "shut up about Ron Paul and just get on as a national delegate, then let it out". We all had to disguise ourselves as RP supporters or the establishment would all vote against us, which they did any ways because I openly booed our governor while sitting in our CD's section of the auditorium.

Thoughts? Anyone else running for Precinct chair?




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Yeah?

There's a picture of Ron with "rEVOLution" no "3".

Granger:

The reason I personally use the 3 when I type REVOLUTION on the internet, is because it is the closest thing to a backwards E key. Look carefully at Ron's picture, you cannot do that on a keyboard. When you use the 3 it makes you think about flipping it around and seeing LOVE.

Most of us capitalize the R, so it is hard to see 'love' because it does not stand out. The way Ron does it is best for sure, but I can't do that on a keyboard.

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but you can

shift key and "rEVOLution".. and that's the way I began.. and never saw any reason to change. (((PAF)) and I have gone round and round on this.. so know, I LOVE ((((PAF))) and even those who find the shift key too hard to toggle, after all, my word salad dyslexic spelling is not an excuse, just proof, I am FAR from perfect, and I don't let that stop me, so why would a 3 stop (((PAF))) or you, or anyone?. (((PAF))) REFUSES to become a republican, and so has everyone I met that uses it.. now I assume you are a republican.. so you give credit to the 3 where I have not because I don't see Ron Paul adding a 3 either.

"REFUSES to become a republican"

My Republican registration card completely refutes your statement. Philosophically, however, you may be correct; for those who insist on using labels, I am actually a true Liberty-Conservative :-)

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

OK, I am completely refuted

:D

Yeah but

We need our people in there,to keep an eye on them. He can try waking them up after he is Precinct Chair. Once we are the vote counters, we can call BS on the "The vote is rigged!" argument.

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Yes.

Get the chair first, then proceed :-)

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a starin' out the window at the darkness
'Til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

He said, "Son, I've made a life out of readin' people's faces,
And knowin' what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
And if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice."

So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."

And when he'd finished speakin', he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

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Stonewall,

Great tune and I agree. I gave you a vote up.

There is also a time to hit head on :-)

School of hard knocks.

Josie The Outlaw http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

A lot of gamblers carry guns.

:)
Like you say, this is war. But running for office is a gamble, and for a small fight in my view the goal should be to come out unscathed if possible. Live to fight another, day.

Travis, Crockett, Bowie, and the rest picked their battles. They decided to die at the Alamo. Houston ran like hell, and then he turned around and fought like hell. And between them they won independence for Texas.

All of them were brave men.

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One of the problems with Repubs today is...

they say one thing and do another.
My advice is to stand by your principles and express them cogently. People will respond to commitment and honesty.

Undo what Wilson did

I'm a precinct chair in Galveston County...

... I'll be happy to talk about my experiences and what we're up to now.

-DL2

My only advice...

And it is advice so take it or leave it is to be yourself and say what you mean and mean what you say. That way, you'll never have to "remember" who said what when.

Best of luck to you.

Truth

I would echo that the truth is best said and untruths best unsaid ....

especially so you don't have to remember what you said to who.

Having said that, you can go to this lunch and see if the current PC and weblady wants a break from their PC duties to focus on the web duties.

if she is a real power player / insider then of course she would not want to. But you never know. volunteers in politics get worked a lot and under-appreciated. You could find her at a point where she would be willing to not run.

Or she has already filed to run and just wants to see how much money the campaign is going to cost her to keep her seat.

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Sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Do not agree to anything. Do not sell your political soul to the republicans. Do not compromise your principles. Be strong. Good luck.

I was precinct chair...well

I was precinct chair...well actually still am until the election. I would say use the meeting to your advantage. Many of the Precinct chairs are on your side, so feel her out on where she stands. Also if she has been chair for a while and has a name established...you better be block walking your preceinct and talking to known voters. Just tell them that you will be working hard to get republicans elected in your county, city and state. You can get a list of people who have voted. That is an absoute must if you hope to win against the incumbent.

Also realize that many establishment are seeing the benefits of the liberty movement and how it could help the country. Dont underestimate the amount of people who feel the same way you do.

Truth before all else.....it is what will allow us to emerge with dignity and honor.

few questions

Is this a ballot issue? Are you going to be on the ballot? Do you have to collect signatures for ballot access? Do you have to pay a fee for ballot access? Is the committee going to vote one of you into office? Is this an inside (committee) vote or a public (election vote)?

You are not running for president, so this should not even be your agenda, Romney, Paul.. I wouldn't talk about any of them.

This is about HER. Your opportunity to learn about HER.

That said.. Could you do the job of secretary no problem?
Could you do the job of the most powerful person on the committee, your treasurer, NO problem?
Can you manage sub-committee chairs?
Have you been to state conventions as a delegate?
Have you ever been a standing delegate?
Do you have a pretty good basic idea of RROO?
Do you KNOW your by-laws?
Do you know anyone in your county clerks' office who will help you out when you beed help?
Do you have connections with other prescint chairs?
Do you attend and have support of:
Republican Women's Federation
Tea Party Caucus
Republican Liberty Caucus
Lincoln Club
Do you belong to any organizations that you pay dues?

If you were running against me, this is what I would want to know about you.

Hmm, I didn't think about it

Hmm, I didn't think about it this way.
There is actually zero involvement from what I can tell between the county GOP and the county Tea Party. Not sure their history but that is what I read going to both meetings.

Southern Agrarian

I think Granger's list is a

I think Granger's list is a bit of an overkill. But Granger is a superstar when it comes to these GOP local positions. Very comprehensive list, but wow, too much!

The ugly truth is that no one takes the precinct chair position too seriously. However, you do have a serious incumbent so winning will require a lot of work.

I'd focus most on getting a voter list of republicans and their voting attendence record. You'll want to go door to door to the republicans who actually have a demonstrated record of voting.

But you'll never get that far....

...if you don't start.

I.e. get started immediately and learn everything you can. It can only help.

The way I figure

Each state has it's own laws, codes, rules.. and I don't KNOW TX laws, so off the top of my head I laid out with what I would challenge my opponate (Pribus I wish, though I wouldn't mind replacing Rove).

It was a good list. Very

It was a good list. Very comprehensive, but a bit overwhelming for me. I don't want to turn anyone off by giving that big of list of groups to join or to have to look into.

Some good points you mentioned were: how will the position be decided? public voting ballot or a vote by GOP precinct chairs? The OP never clarified. Though I've only seen this position decided by the actual precinct chair committee when no one ran resulting in a vacancy. Like you said, every county has it's own rules.

Then I'm glad I could help

The groups I mentioned, like the Tea Party Caucus, are represented at conventions, and as chair, what you want to do is give them a voice, a place, support, even if you don't agree 100%.. you're not running for dictator. you are running for enabler, for your committee to grow and flourish, to get funding and be funded.

This is what many long timers want an enabler who can tap funds. In Texas, you recently lost three billionaires who heavily funded events, candidates, issues.. so you have a party that is very concerned where the MONEY is going to be coming from.

It's all about MONEY.. it's a business.. that's why you get endless requests for donations from well organized political campaigns.

Politics is a dirty business (you know this).. so run.. get experience and if you win, delegate, empower people, if you lose, don't quit: the name of the game is to remain. LEARN. LEARN.. you never know what can happen. Run for Vice chair. A person who shows up can do more than a weak chair with no connections.

GOOD LUCK!! Kudios to you. I'm proud of you!!!! And dress nice..

Hmmm.

I say don't go out of your way to raise red flags. Say you are very committed to getting 'republicans' elected, she will here you say 'Republicans'
:)

I dunno' there are pros and cons either way, I don't know exactly what sort of questions you think she will ask you. Will you be picked Republicans in your precinct only? or the whole county? I don't know much about that stuff. Maybe I should get more involved with my County GOP. I will try to find out about meeting dates.

How do you get lists for block walking? I need some soon.

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County Elections office

For a fee, the county elections office or the sec of state will make available a list of all registered voters AND voting history (depending on stat law) for political purposes only (aka not for business.... BIG mistake to use it that way... jail time awaits).

Spend the $20 or whatever they want, get the csv / xls doc. Put it in Excel / LibreOffice and filter out anyone that hasn't voted in at least one primary.

Then get a list of people with 2 primary votes in their history for the GOP. THOSE are engaged and stable voters. Probaqbly with families or grand kids. THOSE are your voters to target.

That should only be 20% (max) of registered voters in your precinct. Very possible to visit several times in a 1-month period.

Door knock. Get a business card and a website (don't give out a card with an email like "sexybeast2135@yahoo.com" get a professional one like "jason@jason4idaho.com" .... just to use that as an example).

Space out your door visits so you don't seem eager. And above all, don't door knock on your competition's door! no sense tipping your hand that you are actually campaigning.

Get some basic & simple info on your website. Nothing fancy. Skip all national politics. Just local, hardworking, will represent you to the body politic type stuff.

In Idaho, we are >80% GOP. So my line is that if you want your voice heard, you have to make it heard in the GOP. Your opener will differ.

I have an idea this year to hand out a "Politician Complaint Card" which is really just my website for them to complain to me about any politician they want. Why? Well who DOESN'T want to complain about a politician!

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Awesome work!

We did something similar. We got the list and we sorted it out too. But we analyzed who voted 4 out of the last 4 primaries. Then we also looked at 3 out of 4s and 2 out of 4s. The 2 of out of 4s were only kept on the list if it was the last 2 primaries they voted in.

Another thing you can do going door to door is get signatures for Rand Paul's class action lawsuit. You'd need internet access and a tablet; then go to randpac.com. Then door knock and have people sign the petition on your tablet if they're interested. It's really just another excuse to get face time; show that you're dedicated; help Rand get some publicity and numbers for his petition/lawsuit.

TRUE

great advice!!!! I did this and it WORKS!!!!

My idea is a survey based on all these surveys I'm getting but tuned to local issues.

High five! Love your post!!!!!

You

You pick lists up from your county clerk, or the person who is connected with the county, in your prescinct that is passing them out and collecting the filled out forms at the meetings.

OK, thanks.

I should be seeing some of the County GOP people tomorrow.

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Just stay on topics you share common ground on

2nd amendment, Obamacare, immigration

Who knows, the list might be pretty long.

I don't even think you should bring Ron Paul up because he's not even running (yet?).