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i love this line of thinking but

I dont think the courts agree with this interpretation of the law.

please keep me informed of any developments where this line of reasoning succeeds in court.

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Great find by the way.

Great find by the way.

Two shorten the road.

When a vehicled is titled the

When a vehicled is titled the state scans the MCO and destroys the original. All the title claims is that the MCO exists, which is an outright lie. That vehicle is therefore the state's property forever. The only way to make a car truly yours is to buy it brand new with cash and never let a state title it in the first place. Good luck with that, and the other sovereign non-registration, non-licensing, and non-insuring nonsense.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Don't stop there. Sneak in or

Don't stop there. Sneak in or hack in to the records and delete your citizenship entry, destroy all records of you social security number, name, date of birth, fingerprints. Then you won't have to follow any laws. Trust me, it's a law, you won't have to follow... laws...

Why are you being sarcastic?

Why are you being sarcastic? Like its crazy that i want to do this! Dont you want to be free? Im just taking the steps in my life to do that, thats all.

Thanks for being free

I'm doing research to deregister my car, rid of insurances, and the whole scam. Keep the info. coming.

So you don't even believe what you wrote?

"the principle of secession holds all the way down to the smallest dissenting body ..."


Why that title?

I don't see anything about deregistering automobiles.


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

"sovereign" living

A suggestion: Find and read "The Errant Sovereign's Handbook", it tells how to undo the voluntary slave status by which many honest Americans have unknowingly allowed themselves to be ruled.

Thanks a bunch...

I have been searching for some time to undo the voluntary slavery status so I could die a free man...

currently googling it...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Can someone, anyone, post an

Can someone, anyone, post an actual provable story about someone being "sovereign" and not going to jail or paying back taxes? And I don't mean one part of the story, I mean the whole thing. No the mountain man from Montana doesn't count.

Not trolling, just looking for truth.

It's really weird but...

...someone showed me a book they carry everywhere about 6 yrs. ago. He explained he pays no taxes, not income, sales, etc. He had himself join or belong to some ancient group or something. He had to have a government agreement of some sort where he agrees not to receive any government help of any kind and he is exempt of every kind of tax. He also agreed that he will never come against any government authority and they in turn will not bother him. He is allowed to drive anywhere or do anything as long as he abides by regular laws...traffic etc. His car is not registered and he has a different license. He said when a person gets a license they technically are signing to make themselves a ward of their state. All his paperwork was legit and his store receipts were marked tax exempt! I found this very interesting and he was going to show me more. Only knew him for a short time till everyone departed ways. Idk how he did all this but it was the first I ever heard of such a thing.

Illegal Aliens

The ones that don't sign up for any government assistance. They deal strictly in cash, no bank accounts and no property in their name.

Street people who support their way of life by recycling beer cans and soda bottles, pallets or cardboard.

The Amish who are allowed to stay out of Social Security and have their children at home.

different legal concepts

illegal aliens are operating off the record and under the table.

Same with street people

Amish are statutorily exempted.

These examples are not exercising the sovereign individual concept.


Charlie Sprinkle never claimed to be "sovereign". The claim is that he is a not a driver but in fact a traveler. Your next step would be to look up "driver" in the code. Hope this helps.

The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

Ok, I'll rephrase.Someone

Ok, I'll rephrase.

Someone post any legit story where some did anything like this and didnt have to pay a dime or go to jail. Make sure you post the court decision.

The Experiment.

Most cases are settled out of court and silence is part of the agreement. It will cost time and jail is a inevitable possibility. Your best bet is to start reading the code, looking up the words in the various law dictionaries and discovering for yourself.

The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

Ive looked, for years. I

Ive looked, for years.

I thought this thread, or all the others that Ive asked, would be able to give me some kind of evidence. but there never is any.

Its always "go look it up".

Still waiting...

I got your link here.. it is

I got your link here.. it is a 3 part video - this guy puts his case# and his phone number out. He was pulled over, and said he didn't need a license, but, this guy is not a 'soveriegn' he is a Moor. This guy is 27yrs old and I do not believe his is apart of the whole "AJ and RP" crowd or even knows who they are.

Part 1 is before he goes into the courtroom
Part 2 is after he comes out.
Part 3 is part 3..




A word of caution: documents have been released which indicate there are coIntelPro agents within the RP, AJ, soveriegn, etc movements.

Edit: He also put in a $3k relief for even having to make an appearance.

What happened????? I thought

What happened????? I thought people were interested in this, and I put up, yet not a single fuck was given.

Oh, I know why....

"a. Agents may be placed who will simply argue against the opposition, using delaying and confusing tactics such as constantly demanding references and "proof" of allegations, referring to obscure and difficult to find documents as evidence that the opposition is wrong, and generally forcing the opposition to waste tremendous amounts of time simply defending itself from spurious and irrelevant attacks."

from 1994 Top Secret document, Project CableSplice, which discusses fema camps for christians/whitey.


according to larry becraft, who has been a champion for

individual liberty for 3 decades...

The disinfo agents populate the PAYtriot movement by putting out false legal theories.

Which is why i believe having a clear understanding of basic civics is essential. so that one can easily tell the scamers from the real mccoys.

Thanks for post ing that case info

I will check it out. If you have any additional knowledge on this please post it here.(the DL thing)


Anybody with questions regarding the 14th ammendment

making you a federal citizen... Here you go. It's kind of ironic how clearly the fraud is exposed in the explanation or defense of tax protesting. Either way, the IRS clearly states

"The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution defines the basis for United States citizenship, stating, "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The Fourteenth Amendment therefore establishes simultaneous state and federal citizenship. Claims that individuals are not citizens of the United States but are solely citizens of a sovereign state and not subject to federal taxation have been uniformly rejected by the courts."

What is the United States, in terms of the IRS? D.C. and possessions. Notice how they say "jurisdiction" not "jurisdictions" plural. It's a singular body, corporate. Now lets be clear, before the 14th Amendment, you know from the times of the tyrannical Lincoln, we weren't federal citizens, and didn't pay 16th amendment tax. United States citizenship is a citizenship of a corporation. Do I know how to get out of the citizenship of the corporation? NO! That is the biggest problem I believe we are facing. But, here we are.


United States Code on Cornell


15 (A)“United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

Damn. It doesn't get more clear then that. F^&%*&^ S*^(, A United States citizen is a citizen of a Federal CORPORATION. People rail about this stuff all the time. But, these are clear codes! This isn't a long drawn out line of crap, we are working for a corporation.

According to

A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856

" 5. The United States of America are a corporation endowed with the capacity to sue and be sued, to convey and receive property. 1 Marsh. Dec. 177, 181. But it is proper to observe that no suit can be brought against the United States without authority of law.
6. The states, individually, retain all the powers which they possessed at the formation of the constitution, and which have not been given to congress."


So, at that time anyway, there were no citizens of "the United States", but only of the several states -which changed, I gather, with the 14th Amendment. Do sovereigns seek to nullify both their federal and state citizenship?

1871 is when the formal

1871 is when the formal government of D.C. was established or incorporated, and at the time, original jurisdiction govt. had assumed 2 roles, one of the United States of America and one of the newly created D.C. govt, or Corp US. Corp US has a constitution, that being the CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES, not "of".

I know this stuff sounds crazy, but it is real. Lincoln was a a$$hole. The 14th amendment, the one applied today to US Corp citizens today, brings all citizens into Corp. US. Sovereigns seek, at least to my understanding, to remove themselves from Corp. US citizenship. We used to be sovereign, Corp. US took control, and has the power to tax, because in essence, you claim you are a citizen or member, therefore use "their" services. This is extremely layman's terms, but incredibly interesting. I'm learning... It's also assumed states have incorporated as well, and current gov't members of those states are members of the US Corp. Original Jurisdication gov't, the one created by the Original Constitution, has most all of it's seats sitting vacant.

larry becraft has debunked this many times

read his work.
This is PAYtriot mythos.

Thanks Mike.

Thanks Mike.

Thanks for posting the link, very interesting

Basically, they are saying:

"We own you because we say so..."

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

We own you because you complied, you consented

You did not question. You did not investigate. You did not retaliate. You did nothing.