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Your party is an illusion

I don't mind liberals. Heck, I'm a liberal. A real one. Now we call ourselves libertarians because the word liberal has lost all meaning and we had to come up with another word that has the same root and means the same thing. It's been twisted to mean authoritarianism and pitting groups against each other. Liberals used to be about small govt, fiscal responsibility and personal liberty.

These names are so ridiculous. What does it even mean to be a libertarian? It's like calling yourself a Non-nose-puncher because you don't believe in going around punching other people in the nose. We really need a name for that?

I hear a guy say we just need to elect a conservative to be President, and it's like, oh my god, do you still not get it? Are you not keeping up with reality? How does anyone still think that these leaders of the country are not a bunch of corrupt liars? They still buy into the crap that conservatives care about freedom and real economics. These jokes of a budget like that guy Paul Ryan came up with. Wow, what aggressive cuts he's making! They don't even get that it's not a 10% cut, it's a 40% increase after a 10% cut to the increases.

I'm with Jesse Ventura on this point. This system of political parties does not serve us. It's nice to think we can take over a party, or build a newer one, and have some chance at bringing someone through such a system, but that's just playing their game. Guess what happens when you move from talking about the issues to identifying yourself as a certain party? The other guy who was with you on some points will back up and say "Whoa, I'm a Democrat, I hate libertarians, so I hate you!" It does not work.

So I no longer identify myself with a political party or political ideology by name. I won't call myself a libertarian anymore. It's like we have to put ourselves into an opposing group just because we hate corruption and deceit. What kind of stance is that? Oh, very interesting, so according to your political ideology you DON'T like being punched in the nose? Interesting theory. It's like we have to pick a stupid group to jump into just to say something that should be so common sense.

If it weren't for all the propaganda, people would agree with each other on most things. Americans used to agree on the principles of freedom and liberty. I just can't believe that people are still buying into all this.

Even if you feel like you identify 100% with an ideology, it's still a mistake to say so and define yourself as that. Even if it's accurate, in the same motion you're defining your enemy, when your real enemy is the people who are brainwashing your supposed enemy. These opposing political parties are made of people who don't have a clue that they're victims of massive deception. They wouldn't be able to handle the idea. They'll take it to their graves if you oppose them. But if you cut off the head of the propagandist, you've released the people and they can start to understand what spell they have been under.

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What isn't an illusion?

Just asking.

Not bad advice. May help in 1-on-1 communication with D's & R's

For instance, if they ask you about your party affiliation, rather than saying I'm libertarian, one could simply say something akin to,

"I don't identify with a party. I like to think about issues using reason and my understanding of human nature. I don't subscribe to the notion that all political positions fall under two categories. That said, I'd be happy to discuss any of my views if you'd like."

It's much harder to paint individuals than it is groups. For example, if you act as an individual, when the MSM says, "Those libertarians are this or that," it doesn't necessarily apply to you in the minds of others. On the other hand, if you say, "I'm libertarian," stereotypes immediately start flowing through the other person's mind. As a result, you end up discussing (if at all) topics where the other person disagrees with you the most.

You're in greater control of the direction of conversation if you refrain from labeling yourself.

Michael Nystrom's picture

That is an excellent point

You're in greater control of the direction of conversation if you refrain from labeling yourself.

Agree wholeheartedly, for individuals.

On the other hand, for politicians, like marketers, it is most useful to divide and segment, then capture as large a piece of that segment as possible.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Agreed

Even if it's just for expedience, at least you know where they want you to think they stand.