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Nobody owns the moon

By Claire Carter - 10 Jan 2014
The Telegraph

No one legally owns the moon but there is a case for developing the law as space exploration continues, a planetary science professor says.

Under current UN law, member states are "prohibited from appropriating the moon."

But Ian Crawford, professor of planetary science at Birkbeck College, said there was now a case for developing the treaty to include private companies that may want to exploit it for its minerals.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he thought space tourism was more likely to take place before the moon started to be mined for minerals. He said there was far more scientific study to be done before it could be determined if there are any economically valuable materials on the moon.

“Nobody owns the moon,” he said

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Gru owned it, but gave it back

Well

Leave the UN and claim the moon.

donvino

The Time Machine

The moon scene:


http://youtu.be/UWIGR9opRNY

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I love that movie

I'll never forget that image of the moon, all broken up like that.

Thanks for posting that.

He's the man.

No problem Mike.

No problem Mike.

First impression: well there goes the moon.

If this was a statement from government I'd just assume the moon has been quietly auctioned off. But it's probably an issue we'll see addressed in our lifetimes. Well most of you will actually. Ghost Smudge will be there trying to take it back.

But let's play this one. OK so UN member states are forbidden from claiming the moon but that membership is officially and actually temporary and we've already activated two bodies of law called "flag law" and "martial law".

We made conquest on the moon and flagged it and there were none to oppose us on that soil therefore it's OURS. USA property (brought to you by Carl's Jr.). Once the UN ceases to exist or we withdraw from it or a member state challenges this, we can assert these laws.

Moving on, this piece takes on the aspect of disinfo as the author says nobody knows if there's anything of value up there. GPR (ground penetrating radar) works in space too and after how many "sensitive scientific missions" have orbitted the moon, you really think nobody has answered the single most important question AFTER are there googly-eyes tentacle monsters there is IS THERE ANYTHING OF VALUE OR STRATEGIC SIGNIFICANCE THERE?

Yes. There is. They don't tell us much but they tell us enough. And the moon is strategically significant. It was the second we stepped foot on it. Know something else? It's a heck of a lot easier to bring things down from the moon than it is to put things up on it.

Adds up fast don't it? And with what we know about who places articles in the media and for what reasons, I guess we can all just assume that a deal has been made or is in dispute.

But somebody owns the moon.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I called dibs!

Sorry.

I'm pretty sure Alice Kramden beat you to it.
http://www.toilette-humor.com/funny_old_people/first_woman_o...

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―Emmet Fox

One o' these days...

..BANG! ZOOM!

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1% own almost HALF the entire world

By the time we start mining on the moon 1 or 2 people will own everything.

Would be easy for them to find workers for the lunar mines if they put "no trespassing" signs on their land on Earth.

If anyone trespasses they can legally shoot them since it's their land, and they own all of it.

1% own almost half the world reference:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/09/creditsuisse-wealth...

communist!

communist!

No!

I plan to be 1 of the 2 people who own everything ;)

The Chinese sure are in a hurry to get back there

Including a manned mission by 2024

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/10518111/Chinas-moo...

I'm pretty sure weighing membership in the UN vs. seizing the high ground over the earth and as many of its resources as it possibly can is a no brainer for the Chinese at this point.

They'll take the moon.

Ah

They don't want to admit that the Aliens already own it!! haha

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We are going to try w/HR 2617, a bill to protect Apollo sites

We don't want anyone "disturbing" these moon landing sites, so they want to designate all of them as a moon national park that is off limits to everyone. I wonder why? It's as if we never went and NASA wants no one to return to find out the truth.
113th CONGRESS

1st Session
H. R. 2617

To establish the Apollo Lunar Landing Sites National Historical Park on the Moon, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 8, 2013
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.2617:
Status: Going nowhere fast
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:HR02617:@@@X

Possession is 9/10ths

It's pretty simple, get there first with the most people & guns, then stay there as long as you can or want to.

That's who owns it when the time comes. Everything else is hot air.

Your firearm won't work on

Your firearm won't work on the moon.

Drain the swamp!

Yes, it will

for reasons noted in the other person's response.

Also, people are working on lasers and mass driver technology as I type this.

The firearm got its start with big@$$ bombards. The portable laser and the portable railgun are getting their starts in the U.S. Navy as AA beam cannons and "when f*** you just isn't enough" ship-smashing cannons respectively. And those would work beautifully on the Moon.

Anaerobic reactions....

..take place in the absence of free air. Most commercial explosives contain their own oxygenators.

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
======================================
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a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

You're right. I thought

You're right. I thought about it about an hour after posting, but was not near my computer. I found this video that shows a gun firing in a vacuum. I thought that it was pretty neat.


http://youtu.be/hUdkIn7C9fA

Drain the swamp!

The moon

is Hollow and some one or some thing is inside it lol... just a theory

The moon rang like a bell

I own the moon

Stay off

The Most Worshipful Grand

Lodge of Texas, Ancient Free & Accepted Masons, say they claimed territorial jurisdiction over the moon on June 20, 1969

http://www.tl2k.org/history.htm

http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/content/tranquility-lodge-n...

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

If no one owns the moon....

If no one owns the moon, and no one owns the oceans. How can anyone "own" land? I haven't ever pondered this question deeply nor theoretically until I read your post's title.

I think I've read somewhere that Native Americans didn't feel they could own the land.

Now that I'm thinking about it, as a fierce property rights advocate, I'm somewhat confused. People live, and then they die. How can someone who built a fence hundreds of years ago still own land (through kin) hundreds of years later?

I can understand that when everyone owns something, no one owns it. And I'm a very strong advocate of property rights.

I'm just always questioning everything, even my own positions in an effort to remain consistent.

What say you DPers?

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When you get "ownership" of land

Then they can tax you for it, with few exceptions it's the only thing they can tax you for simply by owning it. Oh, and if you make any money from owning the land they will tax you for the income it produces. They will decide what you build, how you build and control every aspect of any improvements with zoning laws. When you die they will tax the inheritance and if they sell it, they will tax them. See it's quite simple why you are allowed to "own land" because you really don't own it, you just rent it from the state.

Native American thoughts

I found this quote online and it really had me thinking.

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one: they promised to take our land and they took it. It was not hard to see that the white people coveted every inch of land on which we lived. Greed. Humans wanted the last bit of ground which supported Indian feet. It was land - it has ever been land - for which the White man oppresses the Indian and to gain possession of which he commits any crime. Treaties that have been made are vain attempts to save a little of the fatherland, treaties holy to us by the smoke of the pipe - but nothing is holy to the white man. Little by little, with greed and cruelty unsurpassed by the animal, he has taken all. The loaf is gone and now the white man wants the crumbs." S--Luther Standing Bear

'White' and 'Indian' are not

'White' and 'Indian' are not native concepts, but concepts adopted by natives like the above Bear from Europeans. Nor is 'America' a native concept. The natives were semi agricultural but generally nomadic hunter gatherers who had no concept of the geographical or ethnic contiguity of the Americas or of other tribes with themselves.

Tribal warfare and torture for amusement were not uncommon. Alliance with European settlers to obtain guns to kill each other better was one of the many problems native tribes had to face with the entry of new peoples, technologies and pathogens into the new world. Let's all lament the loss to human culture and human diversity that occurred during settlement of the new world, but let's also please not believe in falsehoods about native peacefulness, togetherness, or identity.

How good are you at back tracking?

"who had no concept of the geographical or ethnic contiguity of the Americas or of other tribes with themselves"

FALSE.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I'm good at backtracking if

I'm good at backtracking if I'm wrong.