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'The Matrix' Discussion Thread

UPDATE: Big snowstorm headed towards Boston (again). It will be a perfect week to re-watch The Matrix. Last week some of us watched Fight Club. The discussion thread for that one is over here. I still have a few observations about that that I hope to write up and share later today.

In the mean time, if you want to discuss the lessons of The Matrix, check back here and share!

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Like I was telling another member here, The Matrix is foundational. It created a paradigm shift in 1999, and its cultural ramifications reverberate on, especially in this community.

"The Red Pill," is a Matrix reference. Taking "The Red Pill" is your voluntary choice to see the Truth, which is what Neo did. If you take the "Blue Pill" you go back to where you were before: Ignorant. Having forgotten everything you learned over the past 7 years.

Would anyone here like to do that?

Not me. I have no regrets. But the question that Freedom demands is: What are you going to do with what you learned? How are you going to apply it?

I'm asking that of myself, every day. And like the Beatles, I'm looking to Get Back: Get back to where you once belonged.. Who am I? How did I get here? What is this all about?

It is the question Neo asks himself, night after night, until an answer is provided.

So I'll comb through The Matrix one more time. Like Oil Pulling, it can't hurt. But I'd like to hear some perspectives from people seeing it for the first time. That would be interesting conversation to have.

If you haven't seen it, I invite you to watch it and check back here.

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The first one was pretty

The first one was pretty good. I did not like the sequels though.

I Just Completed Watching the Trilogy

Wow! I'm almost dizzy! There is so much there: a modern day epic, for sure! It's Alice in Wonderland, The Wizard of Oz, The Bible, Plato's Cave, Pilgrim's Progress, Classical Mythology, Choice vs. Determinism, The One and the Many, Good vs. Evil, Liberty vs. Tyranny, Illusion vs. Reality, Cognitive Dissonance, Confirmation Bias, Seemingly Endless Symbolism, Allegories, Secret Societies, Sequels to The Terminator, Cyclical Theory of History, Reincarnation, etc. Whew! I'm going to have to do some research and think about this while I try to sort it all out!

Edward Moran

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Great!

It has had its intended effect!

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Michael...

Please do one on the new Captain America.

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What a coincidence

I didn't see this until now, after EdinNY bumped this thread. Ernie Hancock just urged me to watch this yesterday:

http://www.dailypaul.com/325059/feedback-captain-america-the...

It is going to be released as a streaming rental on Amazon on 9/9. Right now you have to pay $20 to buy it. It should be around $2.99 to rent, once it is released in that format, so I'll mark the calendar for then and we can have a Captain America watching party.

Thanks for the suggestion and the encouragement.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

One thing I find amusing

is that many of the people who rant on about how evil Hollywood is will unironically quote the Matrix in the very next breath.

A signature used to be here!

Like a splinter in your mind,

Like a splinter in your mind, The Matrix is a direct analogy to our lives as Americans. There is the matrix that we perceive to be the reality of our political existence, then there's the reality of how it really is, if we are willing to wake up to it.

The trouble is, there are many sub programs running whose primary purpose is to maintain our belief in, and dependency uopn, the matrix. In other words people are encouraged to "wake up" into the matrix rather than actually waking up into reality. So the question is, what is the missing link in the awakening process that delivers us back to an "awakened" version of the matrix?

I believe it is our selves. Just as Neo takes the red pill and thus physiologically changes with respect to the matrix program so that he fully awakens, so we Americans must discover the nature of the matrix so that we can learn how to change ourselves in a fundamentally incompatible way to the matrix so that we become immune to it.

From my study and research our Matrix is the law. We are compelled, driven, and bound by statutory laws that some "elected" men make for other men. So how is it that, in a Constitutional framework such as the one we are supposedly a part of, we are the subjects rather than the masters of our political system? What makes us subject to this Federal jurisdiction? What was the status of our founders that is different than uors? The answer is both a Constitutional one, as well as one of individual status.

The founders: Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were Virginians. Benjamin Franklin and John Adams were Massachusettsens. They were members of the de jure body politics of their states. They were NOT US citizens. It works like this. The States were born from the right of session from England. The treaty of peace of 1783 in Paris states:

"His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof."

"Free sovereign and I dependant states" means countries, with nationalities. England and France are free sovereign and independent states like Germany, Italy, Russia, China, and Japan. And "he treats (makes a treaty with) them as such,.." plural. The king does not treat with IT, he treats with them, the free sovereign and independant countries in America which have formed and international federation under the Articles of confederation which later became a federated union under the Constitution for the United States. Nowhere in any of these documents, the Articles or the Constitution, did the peoples of the states or the states themselves become subordinate to the Federal Government. The Sovereignty of the states were merely clipped by the powers expressly granted by the states in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

So what went wrong? Where is the Matrix?

It begins with the American peoples not being taught the true nature of their states and the union of states. That the union is an international compact for mutual protection and benefit of the states, but that the people in each state form the state, a state of political and social unity, and that each state is therefore a separate country or nation in itsself, its people possessing the nationality thereof.

This comprehension is fundemental to the next stage is understanding which is to realize that these united States are NOT, by law, one nation or country, that The United States is an international organization, like the European Parliament, whose purpose is to administer the international relations of and between the union states as well as their collective relationship to other foreign states and nothing more. In this relationship between their peoples to their states, and their states to a larger union, the people, by law, have collective sovereignty over the territory of their state and the states control and administer the union through their representatives.

Today, however, it all looks the same, but functionally, and lawfully it is entirely different. This is the matrix. How did it change and how did we not see it?

The so called Civil War was in fact, and by lawful definition, not a civil war at all, but an international war between "free sovereign and independent states," who had, regardless of their status as members of the Union, already fought a war for the right of session and won. This war, fought by the Federal Government against the Southern States, and which reportedly freed the slaves, provided cover for the militarily occupation the Southern States, forcing their people to adopt the 14th Amendment or elastic remain Federally occupied territories. This was a war of conquest.

Who was conquered? All the American peoples were conquered. The peoples that formed the sovereign bodies politic of each state were conquered by the implementation of the 14 th Amendment. What this Amendment did was to bring the "foreign" peoples of the Union together in Marxist bliss placing them under one federal jurisdiction. The peoples of the American Union lost their de jure nationalities as State Nationals when they embraced, with patriot propaganda, the new status of this single national citizenship under the Federal Government: the title "US citizen." Never before had there existed such a league status.

The next question is: what is the legal standing of such a status? As we now know, the lawful and proper state of people within the Union of Sates is that they form the States (look up the definition of "state" in Black's Law dictionary - you will find it is the people). They are separate from the Federal Government by their own domestic state governments. The State Governments are foreign to the Federal Government as a matter of international law just like the French and Belgian parliaments are foreign to each other and to the E. U. Parliament. But as Federal citizens Americans now are no longer in possession of their states as de jure bodies politic, the collective sovereigns, but find themselves the political subjects, chattel, of Congress and the President.

Please further understand that the Constitution, which guarantees a republican form of government for the States (Article 4, Section 4) applies only to the states in the union. The territory of the United States,which is the District of Columbia, is not a state in the Union and thus is not guaranteed a republican form of government. As a US citizen, and not a Massachusettsen for example, means that your country of nationality is not within the territory of Massachusetts, but within the territory of the District of Columbia.

What I am saying here is that our status as Federal citizens instead of nationals of our nations of birth is the problem. To recognize this is to wake from the matrix. To correct our status in law, and in a lawful manner will free us from the statutory matrix. We then will have achieved the proper status and standing in law, the same as our forefathers, with enough in number, to begin to reign in the overreach of the federal, state and local governments.

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~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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Marla Singer as Trinity

From The Lego Movie

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'm posting on this thread

I'm posting on this thread for the sake of sparking an interest in perhaps another movie night and discussion. Would you be interested in hosting a viewing of Pink Floyd the Wall. Haven't seen it in a while. Plus it would be a good view for the music lovers. Anyway, just a thought.

http://youtu.be/MJUuDoRZpyU

Goodbye Blue Sky - Pink Floyd

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She was a tourist. Her lie reflected mine.

Was the lego movie good?

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p.s.

My test of a good movie is how much you think of it afterwards.

The Lego Movie was kind of like junk food. It was fun at the time, but afterwards it was like there was just a void there.

But it was worth it to see Marla again. This time as Trinity.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
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Ha ha ha

It was ok.

In the end, I felt like I just paid money to watch a big, long, 2 hour commercial for Lego.

But it was funny, and it was fun to be in a big theater full of little kids, with jokes going completely over their heads, aimed directly at their parents.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Has anyone considered that

Has anyone considered that Neo is the 'new man', the superior, perfected man, sent to save the masses... sounds more like elite propaganda, or joke, to me...

Hmmm.

That's a very interesting thought. This trilogy is certainly multi-layered, as is any epic. I also find it curious that the ship is named Nebuchadnezzar. Some Masons trace their origins to Nimrod and the building of Nineveh, Babylon. Are there Masonic undertones in this epic? Is Zion to be the New Atlantis? In many other ways it does seem to be a liberty-themed series. Hmmm. Is there more Manly P. Hall or more Ayn Rand in this story? Curiouser and curiouser.

Edward Moran

I am legend

and the Matrix are two flicks I keep relating the American experience to more and more these days. Americans as mindless zombies to the media and Americans as sleeping embryos in the matrix.

Great analogies!

We all see things differently now, since we woke up.

Edward Moran

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"The words in this book are writen for ppl, not computers"

You don’t have to read all of this, this is more for my own purpose of getting these thoughts out. My final thesis; Ray Kurzweil should read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto-ebook/dp/...

"The words will be minced into atomized search-engine keywords within industrial cloud computing facilities located in remote, often secret locations around the world. They will be copied millions of times by algorithms designed to send an advertisement to some person somewhere who happens to resonate with some fragment of what I say. They will be scanned, rehashed, and misrepresented by crowds of quick and sloppy readers into wikis and automatically aggregated wireless text message streams. Reactions will repeatedly degenerate into mindless chains of anonymous insults and inarticulate controversies.

His list of ways to make the internet more personal included not posting anonymously unless you might be in danger. That is interesting to me. I see where he is going with that. If you post with your name, Michael Nystrom, you are held to that and those words and so they really do represent you. It's harder to be an ass for the sake of being an ass, or to post ridiculous stuff just to get a rise out of people who are way too serious. But then, the internet is filled with shady people so there is a need to keep yourself somewhat anonymous in some cases yes?

He also said to post a video sometimes that took you a 100 times longer to create than to view. I like that. Quality over quantity. And to create something that says something about you that doesn't fit the normal social media design. Audio Selfies.

One of the things he discussed that I haven't been paying attention to (Ok...one of the few things he discussed that I haven't been paying attention to...and why would I when some guy from the internet is paying attention to it and posting it here for me?)
is the desire to turn all the world's books into one singular (singularity, surprisingly my arch nemesis Kurzweil isn't behind this one) book. This could encourage mashups of passages and "fragments that obscure the context and authorship of each fragment."

Again, this is one of those things that I don't understand why people are even working towards this. Even Lanier didn't have much to say to explain that to me.

Clearly he talks about music a lot. He says; “If you are having a great time with music in the online world as it is; don’t listen to me.” I listened anyways, but to me that is one of the best aspects of the internet. He talked about Ani DiFranco and how she sold CDs out of the back of her car and went it on her own. She started Righteous Babe record label and made millions in one of the most grass roots attempts at selling music in decades. My friend Andy and I were talking about that a while ago and saying if Ani had had access to sites like Soundcloud, Reverb, or Bandcamp she would have been a pioneer in those areas. Doesn’t matter she took the record companies and labels by storm anyways and again she did it by selling CDs out of the trunk of her car. But sites like that enable musicians to be heard by people who would never otherwise hear them as they would never be picked up by a major label, it also enables them to receive money for their art from people who would never have the ability to pay for it otherwise. Even with all the access to free music online, I still pay for about 90% of my music (the jam session broke me in that respect…) .

He also talks about bringing physical objects back into the music industry. He didn’t say CDs, but he said it is important to bring physical objects back to make it more romantic. It’s like the play list thing. It’s not fun to just type up a play list of songs people might like and email that person the list. First of all there is the chance they aren’t going to find all the songs and download them, but the CD gives them a physical gift of music. Some of my friends tease me about still burning CDs. But if I didn’t do that a lot of people would be out Christmas and birthday presents as those are one of my favorite gifts to give.

The Friend Thing. This is such a problem for people my age. The idea that a friendship consists of updating facebook/twitter/fill in social media blank statuses and liking or commenting on those statuses. It cheapens friendships. It also dehumanizes. People use other people’s social media pages as a measuring stick of what they think their life should look like, so they try to create a life for the internet world that looks like something it is not. What they seem to forget is the other person is only uploading their best moments and it is pointless to try live up to that.

There is also the lack of communication even in the real world due to social media. People are attached to their phones constantly reading the newest updates on social media about other people or constantly updating their own page. I have a hard time hanging out with people in my general age range because I can’t for the life of me understand why people can’t go 2 or 3 hours without getting out their phones and staring at them for a few minutes every half hour or so. I understand the appeal of social media, I don’t understand the addiction. It is an addiction. If I am going out to dinner with you and you spend half the time on your phone on the internet….why even go out at all? Just stay at home and dwell on the internet. It is so boring to me….

He also says, “a real friendship ought to introduce each person to unexpected weirdness in the other.” That doesn't happen on the internet. I mean... don't get me wrong, people are definitely weird on the internet, it's just that even then it is usually a controlled weird and a produced weird. Sometimes it is almost even a competition of irony. Not everyone though... some people are just awkward online no matter what, but like I said, you miss some of the weirdness of people by simply conversing online.

The thing is, Lanier brings all these issues up and has all sorts of ideas on how to make the internet more human, except he admits that it is up to the people who use it. The people in my age group really for the most part don’t seem to see these problems and if they do notice them, they don’t see these issues as problems, probably because it is so normal to them.

One of the other things he talks about is the degradation of language. Lol, btw, brb, l8r,…. Darwin speculated that music/song might have preceded language. And the other guys from University of Edinburgh studying birds think that an explosion of variety in song was an important milestone in human evolution. The idea is that the further humans evolved the more experimentation options they had so the need for more words and language arose, but variety doesn’t always have to increase, sometimes it can decrease such as with slang like LOL (I hate it when people actually say the letters l.o.l. in the real world, it’s one thing to type it, but it is unnecessary in the real world in verbal conversations). He thinks that the same thing is happening in song because of the tools people have to use. It is creating a hive mind, if everyone is using the same editing programs there is only so much variation of sound that can come around. That was interesting to me because I always thought that the more access people had to all kinds of music and editing programs the more the variety. I mean I posted a Janis Joplin song that was mashed up with Beck in the jam session the other day. What a meeting of sounds. And then Parov Stellar is big band meets dubstep meets r&b almost…

Anyways the language thing becomes really interesting when he applies it to an infinite cloud/brains.

If the computing clouds become effectively infinite there would be a hypothetical danger that all possible interpolations of all possible words-novels, songs, and facial expressions- will cohabit a Borges-like infinite Wikipedia in the ether. Should that come about all words would become meaningless and all meaningful expression would become impossible.

Isn’t that horrible?!?!?!?!? Luckily, Lanier says that cloud will never become infinite so I suppose it’s not worth worrying that much over (I hope Kurzweil knows that though…Kurzweil really should read this book).

The online middle class he talks about in the end in the interview is interesting. Basically, if people want it, they have the power to and they should create it by supporting online ventures, there is more to it than that, but since my fingers are bleeding and I’m really only typing this for my own purposes at this point, I’m going to end it there.

Thanks for the physical copy, it might surprise you to know that I don’t enjoy using a kindle. Plus you can embellish a physical copy.

My final thesis. Ray Kurzweil should read this book.

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Of course I read the whole thing

Of your report, that is. And it made me go to my bookshelf, and pull out my physical copy. The Kindle is good for some kinds of books. When I really like a book, I usually want to have a physical copy. The physical copy gives one an orientation not possible with an electronic version.

I began reading his next book, Who Owns the Future in Taiwan. (The nice part about Kindle is you can buy a copy even when you're 10,000 miles from a bookstore that might have a copy of the book you want to read!) That is a great book as well. Deep thoughts, and hard concepts. But then again, without the physical copy laying around to remind you to finish reading it, the book kind of disappeared from my consciousness. Out of sight / out of mind.

My copy of this book is marked up all over. To your point about those people of your generation who can't put down their phones, I feel the same way as Lanier (p. 70):

I am always struck by the endless stress [young people] put themselves through. They must manage their online reputations constantly, avoiding the ever-roaming evil eye of the hive mind, which can turn on the individual at any momement. A "Facebook generation" young person who suddenly becomes humiliated online has no way out, for there is only one hive.

I would prefer not to judge the experiences or motivations of other people, but surely this new strain of gadget fetishism is driven more by fear than love.

But it is what he said on p. 72 that allowed me to recognize something about myself, when he's talking about the oud forum that he likes to frequent.

When I told Kevin Kelly about this magical confluence of obsessive people, he immediately asked if there was a particular magical person who tended the oud forum. The places that work online always turn out to be the beloved projects of individuals, not the automated aggregations of the cloud...

I think Lanier would like old Kurzweil to read his book also. This is a particularly pointed jab at you-know-who (p.25):

The coming Singularity is a popular belief in the society of technologists. Singularity books are as common in a computer science department as Rapture images are in an evangelical bookstore.

LOL!

Anyway, I'm glad you liked the book, kiddo. I think it served its purpose as the antidote to Kurzweil.

Nice to know there are still humans in the world - at least three of us. You, me and Jaron Lanier.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
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Ha...I did think of a certain website when I read that on pg.72

I just checked my copy to make sure it was the same quote and it is, it says...'dp' just in case later in life I reference the book and have forgotten about the dp (ha ha, that's not likely given my attachment to a certain thread and some other aspects of the joint)

Why? Because it is the work of an individual. One with magical powers.

I know it was noted for its special effects

But I love that they actually had characters that could fight, and then actually showed them fighting instead of zooming in on their fist. Not only did they highlight great fighting scenes they made them over the top with great special effects. Over the top is why I go see movies.

Before karate I loved all movies, after karate, most fighting movies dont do it for me (especially rocky, great movie till he fights), and it cured my video game addiction real quick when I figured out I could fight much better than the video game could. Props to the matrix for using real martial artist.

Characters that can fight

It's still just acting. Van Damme, as tough as he's supposed to be, was knocked out in real life by a guy who used what little boxing his dad had taught him as a child. Just saying.

Edward Moran

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Jaron Lanier is a proud, unapolagetic human

He does not bow to the machines out of custom. And he doesn't want you to, either.

http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto-ebook/dp/...

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
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Nevermind me, I'm just trying to free your mind

It’s not the spoon that bends, it’s the mind.

Morpheus could have considered offering Neo some starfish and coffee before he went all kung fu on him….

-It was visually stunning. I very rarely care about things like this, but it would have been great on a big screen.

-Oh, at the rave, Dragula by Rob Zombie is playing. I like that one by Zombie. Oh and Rage Against the Machine at the ending sequence!!!!! I LOVE RAGE!!! I started the jam session with Rage.

-Fight scene with Neo and Morpheus when Morpheus was all ‘why won’t you hit me?’ reminded me of Fight Club when Tyler was all….’I want you to hit me as hard as you can’ to Edward. So much hitting, flowers next time….flowers….

-Red Pill/Blue Pill. While this might be some sort of revolutionary concept to some, let’s be real here, people here on this site understand the difference and circumstances surrounding both pills. We don’t need to go too far into that. No, I would never want to Un know anything I already know. However, I want to start taking control of what I absorb. Just because I know the stuff that goes along with taking the red pill does not mean I have to live in a depressing world where everything is set up to scare me. Some people get so stuck in the red pill world that they forget to live.

-I love it when Neo asks Morpheus why his eyes hurt and Morpheus tells him it is because Neo is using them for the first time. My brain hurt recently. I’d say it started end of November ish, when all the sudden I was being mentally challenged for the first time in a long time.

It’s like when Neo wakes up and he is all…. ‘I know Kung Fu’

And then Morpheus says……..’Show me’

I will show people someday in the future what I learned recently. I just have to learn some more of it, I’m not as quick of a learn as Neo. Not in this area at least.

-Ok, the agents…the controllers….This lines up with the singularity stuff right, and transhumanism? They are killing humanity…. When this semester ends, I am going to rewatch this alongside some more transhumanism books and articles and write something amazing about parallels. I can’t do it now because I want it to be effing amazing and I don’t have the time right now with other things I am working on.

-Let’s talk about robot people for a minute….Tank was playing with all sorts of buttons there at the end wasn’t he?

-You know what I noticed at one point? The cell phones….they were rather large. Haha, I never usually notice things like that, I think it was because of your Fight Club post. That was weird to me that I even noticed that at all.

-I don’t usually like extended gun fight scenes, but when Neo and Trinity stormed the lobby to go save Morpehus and they kicked some ass….that was pretty cool.

-Alright let’s talk about the spoon though. (Hey, there is a guy here whose name is ‘Thereisnospoon’ Now I know what that means lol).

It’s not the spoon that bends, it’s your mind that bends. So there kind of is a spoon right? Your mind. You make it what you want. Kind of like going back to the red pill blue pill conundrum. Why take either. There is no pill. There is only your mind. There is nothing. Only your mind. You get to chose what you put in there. I don’t want to keep poisoning my mind with brainwashing from ANYONE that I don’t know, like, trust, care about, or respect. In the create your own culture thread you told me to ‘funk the msm.’ I agree. But I’m going it a step further. I will now be saying ‘funk anyone (don’t care if it’s msm or liberty minded or what) that tries to tell me what to read, think, say, or do.’ Because it’s all brainwashing isn’t it?

All of it. Anything anyone tries to shove at you no matter how much truth there might be behind their message or what their intentions are is brainwashing. About 2 or 3 years ago I started telling my Dad I wanted to fall back asleep. He hates it when I say that. I don’t think that’s what I meant though. Again I don’t want to un know anything I already know, I just want to wash my own brain with help from people that I like. Even Neo needed help right?

There was so much speculation over whether Neo was ‘the one’ or not.

Even he speculated. Look what happened when he just said ‘eff it, who cares, I say I am the one’ and then he goes and kicks ass.

Again, he decided in his mind he was the one and takes control, he needs some help still, everyone does, but he took control.

Red pill, blue pill, orange pill, green pill, purple pill….Doesn’t matter. There are no pills. There are no spoons. There is only your mind and you can bend it, shape it, mold it, and create it however you want to.

Frank McCourt, author of Angela’s Ashes says

“You have to study and learn so that you can make up your own mind about history and everything else but you can’t make up an empty mind. Stock your mind, stock your mind. You might be poor, your shoes might be broken, but your mind is a palace. It’s lovely to know that the world can’t interfere with the inside of your mind.”

I love this book! Hey can I make these links a different color than red? I tried, but it didn't work.

Flowers. I’ll get it posted soon…. But flowers. The next movie is about flowers.

It’s lovely to know that the

It’s lovely to know that the world can’t interfere with the inside of your mind.”

Winston Smith might disagree.

Rats, rats, I hate it when you have those stupid rat dreams.

Mystify Me.

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You've done it, jrd. You've cracked it wide open.

That is obvious from what I've read. I stole that line from the movie Pollock. He's struggling to break through. There is something he's after as an artist, and then he discovers it, nearly by accident by having paint drip down from his brush onto the canvas. His wife Lee Krasner sees it and says, "You've cracked it wide open."

This is where you crack it wide open, and see what few others here see:

No, I would never want to Un know anything I already know. However, I want to start taking control of what I absorb. Just because I know the stuff that goes along with taking the red pill does not mean I have to live in a depressing world where everything is set up to scare me. Some people get so stuck in the red pill world that they forget to live.

Yes! Take control of what you absorb. That is part of the reason I shut the door on the Ark. The internet is a wasteland. It is full of zombies. I'm barring the door against them. And the ones who are here are going to get an education. And if they can't be reformed, then over the side of the deck they go!

And here:

There is only your mind. There is nothing. Only your mind. You get to chose what you put in there. I don’t want to keep poisoning my mind with brainwashing from ANYONE that I don’t know, like, trust, care about, or respect. In the create your own culture thread you told me to ‘funk the msm.’ I agree. But I’m going it a step further. I will now be saying ‘funk anyone (don’t care if it’s msm or liberty minded or what) that tries to tell me what to read, think, say, or do.’ Because it’s all brainwashing isn’t it?

Yes, it is brainwashing. There is theirs, and then there is "ours." There is the whole MSM complex, and then there is the whole "freedom" complex with its own oppressive form of political correctness and shouting down of others who disagree.

What can I say? You're a great study, with great insights.

I can't wait to see the movie about flowers.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

great flick...

I love Pollock movies.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

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That was tiring lol

It took a while. It's hard to imagine being so asleep and brainwashed because I have been so surrounded by people my whole life shoving the right names and ideas at me so I wouldn't be 'asleep or brainwashed' but then I was just brainwashed by them....

Tyler woke me up. Morpheus freed my mind. I haven't slept for more than 3 or 4 hours in a row since Friday. I'm going to bed now. Goodnight Michael.