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The System

From LionsOfLiberty.com:

What is The System?

We hear it talked about all the time: “Blame it on The System;” “The System is broken;” “Put your trust in The System;” and so on. Every person has likely made reference to The System at one time or another. However, what is The System? If one had to pin down a precise definition, what would it be?

I would define it as:

The System – the sum of all the recipes Man follows; the guiding ideas of Society

Given this broad definition, The System is all around you. Over time, Man has learned to employ reproducible methods which make the performance of tasks regular. Innovators sometimes come up with new methods that catch on, but for the most part, people follow the recipes of those that came before them – including but not limited to things like political philosophy, architecture, science, propaganda, culinary arts, parenting, lifestyle, etc. People become comfortable, familiar, and complacent with the way things are, and The System becomes entrenched.

Much like a caste system, many people still follow in their parents’ footsteps with regards to profession – for instance, politicians, teachers, military men and women, construction workers, bank executives, etc. Growing up they learned the roles they now play through observing the actions and teachings of their parents and other perceived authority figures. As The System ages and more and more generations pass through it, regimentation can often slow progress. Subsequent generations become cogs rather than operators – at all levels of Society.

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The system

is a democratic leaning Republic that has lost it's way by selling out to a UN Agenda with treaties that are usurping our bill of rights and constitution.

Ron Paul's plan to correct this was instead of reinventing a wheel that has no chance, to take the GOP. I can see, and respect, Ron Paul's wisdom. It's a damn good fight and so sorry to see so many would rather stock ammo and try to survive a civil war than get and and take the traitors to our constitution and bill of rights out legally. Use the system to correct the system, where they have used the system to usurp the system.

I'm interested in spreading ideas...

Violence is a primitive tool. Reason and effective communication are much more powerful.


That you are interested in spreading ideas. Violence may be primative but it works, where communication is not as effective, and is far less powerful, otherwise violence would cease to exist.

It's the way it is.

not as well as

Rwanda, Sudan, China, Russia, Germany, Syria.. maybe Americans are not blood thirsty enough? Interesting you would attack American conflicts that failed, rather than bloody conflicts happening today that America has NOTHING to do with, though I'm sure that you are sure evil America is involved.

Now, take the UN.. they stand there are watch genocides, do body counts and communicat it.. that's working for you?

It's a symptom of the State

When individuals and small groups get mad at each other and engage in armed conflict, the average number of people that die is very small relative to the average number of deaths from State endorsed violence.

You won't make people free by killing them and/or people they know.

When war veterans speak, they speak from the perspective of having lost people they were close to and of having to live in an unfamiliar country where the people are sometimes shooting at them and/or dialing mortar fire into their positions.

However, if we pause for a moment and consider it, we realize that the people fighting for the other side tell similar stories - only placing themselves on the moral high ground. They might say, "We successfully defended our country against alien powers that were far superior to our own..." - with their children sitting around them listening attentively.

The kicker is that - "killing more of them than they kill of you" - doesn't work. History has proven it consistently. Most wars are lost before they begin - regardless of how efficiently and effectively the soldiers carry out orders.

The world is a battlefield of ideas - hence the saying, "Winning the hearts and minds." The lesson to be learned is that - wars cannot be won if the population(s) affected does not agree with the premises of the invader and/or resent their occupation.

Violence is a tool of those that quit using their creative abilities in order to follow unquestioningly in their dead ancestors footsteps. The human mind is a powerful thing. People should use it more.

The People of the world don't really hate each other. If they ever met and had real conversations - without being freaked out by cultural differences - most of them would get along. The same is not true of States. States get in a superficial tiff and say, "I'm gonna send some of my people to come kill some of your people" - with very little consideration for the lives of the people involved.

You may or may not be a parent, but if you had kids, would you allow them to act like the State - pummeling other kids for lunch money and squeezing out the competition in the black market at their school?

When militarized States get pissed off, people die.

The only way to win conflicts is to spread your ideas more effectively than the other guy.

That's how we're winning.

It's certainly not because we've been cheerleaders for the State and/or in-style politicians.

Ohhh kay

Well DW.. While all that may be true.. and maybe it's where I live, but I see the UN Agenda blooming. Ultimately, the goal of the UN Agenda is population reduction.

The UN since the 60s is a communist/Islamic (fascist) block. And I see population purges happening globally. Those who are not slaughtered in the name of "revolution", "Freedom" and "liberty" (same theme, over and over) are being displaced.. you will see USA AID on teh "FEMA" tents, where they are within barbed wire fences.

An excellent documentary came out a few months ago, "The Square" about the revolution of young people (they will remind you of the liberty movement) here is a review

When you watch that movie (if you do) you will see layers of attacks. You well see how people are played like accordians. You may see, as I did, how the powers that be play the people to "escape". Syria is much worse.. Egypt, beit the establishment that abandoned leadership for the military, and then an election of the Muslimbrotherhood all used USA weapons against their people. Every new government became worse than the last.

Many here disagree with me about Assad, who is being armed by Russia.. but it's the same goal, population reduction. There is nothing fair about it.

These wars are not like WWI or WWII.. technology has changed that.

In OR there is a right to die movement, and everyday people commit suicide, because life can be very difficult and not worth living. America is set up for a huge fall. I'd like to stop it before it starts.. but I am a minority. Many want revolution, and if that means death.. so beit. If that means no more running hot water, or food or clothing or electricty.. they don't care. So it will be very hard for those of us who do care.

Non of the protesters

None of the protesters demanding liberty and freedom from oppression and supply cuts were violent. All of them were in shock and awe when their government;s began slaughtering them, sending shells and tanks into the crowds, unloading rounds of bullets, cans of gas, clubbing them, bombing hispoitlas, poinsions water, cutting off food and electricty.

I saw most proteters trying to flee. It was futile to resist. Layer after layer, one regime after the next.. Most these places the populations had already been unarmed.

The wonderful State at its finest

It does what it's good at - causing destruction of life and wealth.

....and now for a serious comment

very nice exposition on what in general semantics is referred to as time binding. Tradition vs. innovation: that's the eternal battle. You never know from whence the next perturbation of the system will come. It could be you. After all, you are part of the system.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

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Tradition vs. Innovation on the Daily Paul




Time for my nightly jam session, which by itself, spawned how many more similar type threads? Who knows where it will lead?

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Time binding

I had never heard that term before. It's certainly an important concept.

Appreciate it!

You can't trust the system, maaaaaaaaaaan!


“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus



But about myself I will not boast, except as it concerns my weaknesses (2 Cor 12:5). Let the unbelievers seek praise from each other; I wish that which is from God alone.

Happy birthday to the ground


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Way to wake people up!

"I threw it on the ground!"

Looks like a decent technique. I'll think I'll give it a shot. Love the glasses, too. I used to have a pair like that. I'll see if I can find them again. I think they really work for this technique.

You think I'm joking, but I'm serious.

"I threw it on the ground!"

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
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Walters, remind me again, if you would.

I think you may have told me before, but...

I know you're in graduate school, but remind me again what you're studying, if you would.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Physical Chemistry

Primarily quantum chemistry.

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Got it. Thanks

You're a pretty interesting character.

My wife Samantha did behavioral neuroscience, but she doesn't hang around here much. But I give her the play by play. Sometimes all you need is an audience of one.

Keep up the good work, and thanks for hanging around and providing intellectual stimulation.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

I'm just a guy that likes freedom

I've done everything from shoveling manure to computational chemistry. I've bussed tables, washed cars, built roads, installed residential Dish/Directv/internet satellites, telemarketed, framed houses, tended to livestock, tutored and taught throughout my life, worked at a door factory, ...

Over the years, I've met quite a variety of people, and I've gotten along with well over 90% of them. I have a high opinion of humanity. There's quite a bit of untapped potential out there.

Schools - rightly - focus on literacy and grammatical accuracy but tend to ignore the teaching of how to communicate. Aside from the occasional, "Johnny don't talk that way," the art of communication is rarely touched upon. Verbal communication is mostly taught indirectly through negative feedback - all criticism with little, if any, praise or formal training. It slows down the spread of ideas simply because a great number of people lack effective communication skills.

I've spent quite a bit of time independently learning how to genuinely communicate with people in an honest way without spending too much time beating around the bush.

I feel like my unique experience puts me in a position to transcend the class structure. I can fit into any circle. I'm one of the People.

I think of myself like the man that planted tree seeds all those years. I'm in the business of changing minds - and business is getting better by the day. The trees are beginning to bear fruit.

I have some book ideas. I need to pick one out and write it.

Btw, I still shovel shit from time to time.

System Of A Down



Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Good question.

I think when most people use the word the system they mean people who make more than them, their employer, the government when they pay taxes and traffic tickets, and stuff like that.

People who actually have an ideological worldview, when they say the system they usually mean the object of their ideological enmity. Capitalism for marxists, Religion or Christianity for atheists, The State for anarchists and libertarians, etc.

But what the system actually is is just the structure of institutions that exercise political and economic power in any society, and since inequality is a natural fact of all societies, the system is the people who come out on top, whether honestly or usually not.

There never won't be a system, the only question is the severity of its corruption, inequality, violence, dishonesty, amorality, etc.

'The System,' is a sewer.

'The System,' is a sewer.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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I couldn't just leave a hit & run comment

like that below. So I did read the article, and I agree with Walters. Very good, and very well written.

Morpheus has a description of the Matrix as a system, that sounds very similar:


People following in their parents footsteps, playing out roles with scripts. It is another way of saying that they are programmed.

What I find fascinating about this time that we're living in is that even as technology races on at breakneck speed, society remains extremely regimented. Stuck in the past, you might say.

If you see one paradox, one might be able to explain it away. Another one, and it is more challenging. More and more, and it is disturbing and annoying. The old structure can no longer account for what is happening. That is when a paradigm shift occurs, as Thomas Kuhn detailed in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

Where I differ with you is getting to the point of getting rid of the state. I think there are many, many steps we need to take long, long before we get to that point. I don't think people have the training or understanding to go from where we are now to a stateless society.

But certainly I agree with your conclusion:

The System is in dire need of problem solvers and vocal purveyors of reason. The pinnacle of human existence still lays in the future. Certainly, what We have now isn’t even close to the apex – far from it.

No where near the apex. But while even the long term direction for humanity is inexorably up, there are from time to time setbacks within that long term upward trend. I think we're in such a trough right now. I can't pinpoint exactly where it began, or exactly where it will end, but I think it is natural and necessary for further advancement.

Thanks for the article Derrel.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

that book....

One of the most important books I have never read. I feel like I grok the contents, though, since I have read ABOUT the book so much.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

I'm a fan of promoting "aspiring towards anarchy"

Let's get rid of all the parts that we agree are bad, then we can discuss the necessity of the small fraction left afterwards.

Personally, I think a good start would be to ignore federal elections while focusing efforts on State legislature and executive positions. Then, we could use the 10th Amendment to vastly shrink the federal bureaucracy. I think that it's more doable that a top down overhaul and will have better results.

One way or the other, we have to start somewhere.

Meanwhile, more people need to take the red pill. We're the pushers.

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Speaking of starting somewhere

I got something in the mail here that goes even more local than State legislatures, to work directly with local ballot initiatives and changing laws at the city level.

It references this, but this is not all of it. But it is a good place to start. I'd never heard of them, or their projects Ballotpedia and Judgeopedia.


In the meantime, I'm down with pushing the red pill.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Sounds worthwhile

I'd like to hear how it goes.

I kind of miss the meet-ups from the last election; however, I don't think the groups I met with lived up to our full potentials. Hindsight is 20/20, though.

I think I need to do some public speaking.

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Let's ask Mutabaruka about 'De System'

From his classic LP, Check It


De system, de system, de system is a fraud!
De system is a graveyard!

- - Oh, wait a minute, I think I'm on the wrong thread...

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts