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What would the Daily Paul say to me If I said I wanted to serve my country?

Im thinking of joining the Air Force or Navy.

Any skeptics, words of advice, encouragement?

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Cuz i thought it would be hilarious...

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Séamusín

Use Those 4 Years Wisely

Go ahead, but be aware and prepared to compromise as you progress through the ranks. If you progress high enough, you'll likely regret enlisting. Consequently, I'd only join the military today on a temporal basis as I explored other options. Use the military as a mechanism for increasing your future opportunities in private enterprise. In other words, I would enlist for a maximum of 8 years with 4 years being the better option. Use those 4 years wisely.

My advice would be:

Think about what your idea of serving your country is. What types of missions and tasks you consider to be in service to your country. Write it down.

Then think about if this is what you'll actually be doing if you join. Think about the kinds of tasks and missions you would likely be asked to to accomplish. Write it down.

Then compare the two and see if your image of serving your country is the same as Air Force or Navy.

Who knows, maybe the call to serve your country by joining the military is propagated by a corporate controlled system to dupe people into killing for them...

Perhaps you seek to learn how

Perhaps you seek to learn how to fly jet aircraft. Whatever your intent, join up only if it clearly benefits you directly. If your service lacks benefit to yourself, then it's likely delusion, serving nothing good. If you can say for real that you are being served as you imagine you are serving others, then you are likely engaging actual service to good effect.

I don't know this person

I don't know this person's particular situation but you gotta be an officer to fly.

bingo, such is my initial point

No matter his particular situation, he must join the service to become an officer...

If you want to serve your country

best to serve them Beer.

That sounds like a great song

That sounds like a great song in the making...

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!
http://andrewnapolitano.com/index

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

good suggestion

and serve me first!

The recuriter get a bonus for catching fresh fish.

War is a racket by Major General Smedley Butler

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

240 Wars in 237 Years
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/01/no_author/240-wars-in-237...

Pat Tillman tried to do the right thing and Casey Sheehan. Bradley Manning did and spent two years in a military brig.

Ron Paul served because he was drafted. He was enslaved by the Congress to serve in the military.

The choice is yours.

Free includes debt-free!

Michael Nystrom's picture

The other thing I would say

(In addition to what I already said) is always follow your heart.

Tune in to your heart and listen. For most people, that is a lost art and a lost skill. They're too busy listening to other people - their families, the MSM, anonymous people on random chat boards.

Don't listen to people. Don't make a decision, make a choice.

A de-cision is a process of killing off options. Well, I can't find a job doing this, this or this, so I guess my only option left is to do this.

A choice is a selection made from free will. You choose because you choose. Discerning the difference is difficult, because we've rarely been trained in these ways.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

The heart, i.e. motive, can

The heart, i.e. motive, can be deceiving. Rather, learn to weigh conflicting points of view and analyze those viewpoints through personal experience and the experience of others, i.e. history. If you're young and inexperienced, tread carefully.

scawarren's picture

This member would say that

This member would say that joining the Navy or Air Force is not "serving your country" with the government that we currently have. I believe you would find yourself serving the "special interest" not your fellow citizens and I side with Thomas Paine who said...
"The duty of a true patriot is to protect his country from its government".

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

You Could Join the Peace Corps

But, Navy or Air Force may lead to a better career, later.
That said, for levity...

Lol, a military buddy of mine

Lol, a military buddy of mine once once said,

"There are really only two branches of service- the Army and the Navy; Marines are a cult and the Air Force is a Fortune 500 company..."

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

ha!

That sounds about right.

I think you'll find you'd be

I think you'll find you'd be very unhappy if you joined the military and actually did the "right" thing while enlisted. The right thing being speaking up when you see acts of injustice, which you will see frequently, probably every single day. If you speak up, you get in trouble, you get kicked out, or you may even be jailed. People who do the right thing in the military don't last long. If your intention is to do the right thing, by all means, join the military. If you're going to shut up and follow unjust orders, therefore being one of many, what do you really think is the point?

Today is MLK Day. If you joined the military, would you be a person like the great Dr. King while within the ranks? COULD you be?

Funny, here at libertarian

Funny, here at libertarian central you don't see anyone telling this person the real reason you shouldn't work in any part of a govt.

Your wages are paid with theft from the productive.

Crime - government pay

Accepting stolen goods. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Good point. Thanks.

PS The conundrum is the cops who arrest are guilty of the very crime that they would arrest others for.

sovereign

sharkhearted's picture

The best service you can do to your country...

...is to help your fellow Americans neutralize the shadow government that has heisted this country for at least the last 100 years. We have a bunch of domestic enemies in power.

If you think you can do that while in service to the bidding of that shadow government, then more power to you.

Just keep in mind right now our military unfortunately is not under the control of the people...or even our government. Our government is not in control of our government. This makes it very difficult to work from within.

Ever think of considering the Coast Guard? That might be a more sane alternative, however, they too, being under DHS, might end up doing the bidding of the Powers that Shouldn't Be, as well.

Whatever you do, be careful..brainwashing and conditioning is high in the military...and remember that you will sign up and swear an allegiance to protect the Constitution...and protect against all enemies...both foreign, and DOMESTIC!

Cheers!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

First...

First, I am a veteran having served in the United States Army. Second, as a former public school teacher who primarily taught civics, I'd get this question a lot from students so I'll spare you all the reasons not to and just give you some advice if you do decide to enlist.

1. Don't trust ANYTHING your recruiter tells you. He just wants you to sign up. It's not real unless you have it in writing.

2. The Air Force is the way to go. It's the least chance of having to kill brown people for no reason, quickest rank advancement, best toys and the highest pay grades.

3. National Guard is the way to go. In the National Guard, you will train with the active duty guys but then are guaranteed to go home after boot and training. Recruiters love to tell kids they will go home after boot but that is often not the case.

4. As a member of the Guard, they will almost always let you go active if you choose to but it never works the other way around. So if after training you decide you do like it you can go "full-time." However, once you are active duty they won't let you bust down to the Guard until your contract is up.

5. Be something useful if you scored high enough on the ASVAB. Don't just pick something that sounds cool but is completely useless in the real world. My MOS was 19k, I was a tanker... not much work in that area outside of the military. Before enlisting, check out what jobs are out there so your training can almost guarantee you a job outside of the service, or at least help out w/ additionally training.

6. Two of my friends are currently in the Air National Guard and have full-time jobs on base. I don't remember what the Air Force call that but it is essentially base technical support and maintenance. They show up to work in uniform, 9-5, then go home.

If your earnest goal is to serve your country, the military is not the way to go. However, if you're choosing it as a way to take care of yourself and your family then that is a different story. Serve your country by taking care of your countrymen in any way you can. Make money by serving the military and government interests. Remember, with the state of affairs today, the two are almost always at odds with each other.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

I am an Air Force enlisted

I am an Air Force enlisted vet, active duty from 2000-2005. You are very right except there is a couple things I wanted to correct.

I fueled fighters to bomb brown people, so there is plenty of chance to kill, just less likely that one will be killed in return.

Rank advancement in the Air Force is much slower than the Army. I can't comment on other branches, I don't know. The Army will give you rank faster, but it is also easier to be busted down in rank.

Standard of living is the best as far as living conditions, quarters etc. Highest pay grades? All branches pay the same depending on your rank. E-5 Army or Air Force doesn't matter, same pay. Although if you make rank in the Army faster, you will make more. Not that joining the military is a get rich path obviously.

Well then... +1

I stand corrected.

When I was in, the highest average rank vs. time served was in the Ai r Force, hence the best pay comment. I should have made that clearer and I did phrase it very poorly because, as usual, I was short on time but wanted to give the OP the best advice I could.

Also... fueling bombers is very different than kicking in doors and watching friends kill innocent civilians up close and personal. Unlike the other branches, there aren't many combat jobs in the Chair F... I mean Air Force.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

If you are doing it as a way of taking care of yourself

and family, it would be more moral to just rob people at gunpoint... rather than help the power elite rob other people at gunpoint to put in an oil pipeline, boost the cost of opium, and steal my money (taxes) to pay for your "best toys" in #2. At least someone who robs someone at gunpoint doesn't pretend or believe he is helping anyone.

Your #1, don't trust anything the recruiter says, so he is morally bankrupt, but then you say go ahead and sign up to take care of your family... that makes absolutely no sense... the first way to take care of your family is by not selling your morality, not harming others for money.

All wars are bankers wars:

Wow...

The fact that the recruiter is morally bankrupt is irrelevant to the fact that the military will give you money so you can put food on your table to feed your kids. The two are in no way mutually exclusive. I also never said he should sign up to take care of his family. Reading comprehension is important. As a matter of fact, I never suggested he sign up at all.

Also... in no way whatsoever is it more moral to rob somebody at gunpoint. That is a collective blanket assessment of all jobs and missions in the military and not very libertarian.

I don't disagree with the video and, again, never suggested he sign up... if you actually read my entire comment. However, that bit about it being more moral to rob somebody at gunpoint is absolute nonsense.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

serve yourself...

and you will inevitably serve your country.

Ignore gov't propaganda, read about what you're getting into

First Lieutenant William Crandell of the 199th Light Infantry Brigade, Americal Division:[12]
"We intend to tell who it was that gave us those orders; that created that policy; that set that standard of war bordering on full and final genocide. We intend to demonstrate that My Lai was no unusual occurrence, other than, perhaps, the number of victims killed all in one place, all at one time, all by one platoon of us. We intend to show that the policies of Americal Division which inevitably resulted in My Lai were the policies of other Army and Marine Divisions as well. We intend to show that war crimes in Vietnam did not start in March 1968, or in the village of Son My or with one Lieutenant William Calley. We intend to indict those really responsible for My Lai, for Vietnam, for attempted genocide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_Massacre
http://middleeast.about.com/od/iraq/a/massacre-balad-iraq-gi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghdad_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canicatt%C3%AC_massacre
https://digital.library.txstate.edu/bitstream/handle/10877/3...

A study by Robert J. Lilly estimates that a total of 14,000 civilian women in England, France and Germany were raped by American GIs during World War II.[129][130] It is estimated that there were around 3,500 rapes by American servicemen in France between June 1944 and the end of the war and one historian has claimed that sexual violence against women in liberated France was common.[131]

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I'd suggest an accompanying fine Merlot

and definitely stick a fork in it cause it's done.

If not us than who?

Best way to serve your country

BECOME A SUCCESSFUL SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY!!!

Most of you don't get this at all, you don't have the courage or intelligence to do this. In 1950 America had 56% small business owners. Today in 2014 it's less the 6%.

Not enough people have a invested interest in there communities. My biggest problem as a business owner are the people of this country. NO ONE KNOWS FAIR BUSINESS ANYMORE!

Are you prepared to take the consequences

for disobeying illegal, unconstitutional, or immoral orders?