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Update: We just lost Iowa!

"Iowa is the first state to fully strip power from liberty-movement followers who led a charge on state parties in 2012," blared the Des Moines Register, as all Central Committee slots were reportedly retaken by the establishment on April 26. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/electio...

Well maybe in 2016, we'll be back! How have other conventions been?

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So apparently while we were all watching CPAC, the Iowa GOP was holding county conventions. Again the establishment is trumpeting victory with this article: http://theiowarepublican.com/2014/kevins-korner-spiker-takes...

Meanwhile, Liberty Iowa PAC, which appears to be a big liberty activist group is claiming that most of us took delegate and alternate positions to the state convention: https://m.facebook.com/libertyiowa?id=298835146853331&refsrc...

So WHAT HAPPENED???
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According to http://theiowarepublican.com/2014/a-statewide-look-inside-th... it appears the establishment swept the caucuses:

"Far and away, the candidate with the most presence at the caucuses was Governor Terry Branstad. His campaign made a concerted effort to encourage their supporters to attend the caucuses and try to become delegates to the county convention... For the most part, the senate and congressional candidates did a solid job distributing their ballot petitions to the various caucus locations. The Draft Ben Carson for President movement successfully blanketed the caucus locations across the state with their petitions. Platform planks were also discussed at many of the caucus locations and submitted to the county committees for approval. Education issues, particularly Common Core, were among the most discussed topics, as well as abortion and same sex marriage.

As for the tug-of-war for control of the party, reports from delegates out of places such at Webster County say out of the 100 attendees at that caucus, the “liberty” crowd was nowhere to be found.

The fight is far from over, but the general consensus is that although the Ron Paul wing of the Iowa GOP still secured a fair amount of county delegate seats, they were greatly outnumbered by the other factions of the party and will not be able to dominate the district and state conventions the way they did in 2012."

Does anyone have any more info?




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People should know about this!

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Bueller?

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

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I find your lack of faith disturbing

The truth is that we just don't know yet.

I attended my local caucus and it was a rather dull affair. We signed some petitions to get candidates on the ballots. We chose precinct chairs for our individual precincts and selected people to serve on the central county committee. Platform planks were submitted and delegates were chosen at the end of the night. Pretty much everyone that showed up will be a delegate to the county convention.

But what really matters is who goes to the District and State conventions. These people will decide who will serve in the State Central Committee, what rules we adopt, and what our platform reads. None of these people have been elected yet so it's a bit premature to determine how we did. Only time will tell.

In the meantime, I have been elected chairman for my precinct and am now on the county committee. I will most likely be elected to go on to the District and State conventions. I intend to use this opportunity to spread the message of liberty to those who need to hear it within the GOP.

Two friends in Iowa

Both said their caucuses were empty but for them. One was the only delegate, the other was himself and his wife. Both are in the Des Moines area.

I call BS on the article.

According To What I heard On 'FIX' News Yesterday:

Fox News'(Campaign) Carl Cameron said the Ron Paul people were all over the place in Iowa attempting to take over the GOP.

However, he also mentioned that the Terry Branstead Neo-Cons were trying to push back, whatever that means.

WE ARE WINNING!!

Why would the Ron Paul

Why would the Ron Paul faction have any success? Rand Paul has shown no courage on the Israel and Iran issues, so why would we get excited about him? He isn't even as good at framing economic issues as his father. How often does he mention the problems w the Fed when on national tv? Campaign for Liberty is a yawner till they have the courage to make foreign policy a major issue.

And here I thought our

And here I thought our movement was about more than one guy, principles over personality? I guess I was wrong.

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I think you are at the wrong website

Here is the correct link for you :

http://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/

I believe Ron Paul would disagree with you...

as Rand is the ONLY Senator advocating for many of the issues that Ron strongly believes in.

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

Heard some talk on Fox

this morning saying the Ron Paul people were outnumbered and not going to be allowed to take over like 2012. Read this in The Iowa Republican "The fight is far from over, but the general consensus is that although the Ron Paul wing of the Iowa GOP still secured a fair amount of county delegate seats, they were greatly outnumbered by the other factions of the party and will not be able to dominate the district and state conventions the way they did in 2012."

What difference does Iowa make anyway? Ron Paul won it in 2012.

And a lot of good that did him- because the lying RNC/GOP cheated him out of it and made sure their Neo-Cons got their name in as the winner.

I think they changed it 3 times before it was proven that Dr. Paul had won.

That war-monger Santorum's name was mentioned before Paul.

I'm done with the immoral GOP anyway. I'm NOT A REPUBLICAN and don't care what they do.

In the end they're losing to Hillary no matter what.

If Rand were to get the nomination, my interest might perk up, but I'm not holding my breath for that because AIPAC and all their war-loving republican friends will make sure it never happens.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Ugh, but that's so pessimistic...

With attitude we're surely doomed.

NOt being a republican and not voting in the primaries and not getting involved ensures tyranny perpetually!

Rand won't get the nomination unless we ALL jump in and do what we can. Trust me, the GOP wants nothing more than for you & me to give up and leave.

You gotta stay in it to win it!

Huh?

"NOt being a republican and not voting in the primaries and not getting involved ensures tyranny perpetually!"

Really? Politics is tyranny. The more time I spend in politics the more tyranny I experience. If we spent no time in politics and instead focused that allocated effort on upholding the law then we would bring criminal tyrants to justice and REMOVE THOSE CRIMINALS FROM SOCIETY. If our laws are upheld politics doesn't matter.

"You gotta stay in it to win it!"

It seems so many believe this is like some kind of sick game to win.

Everyone seems to think that we need to be in charge to 'fix' things with statutory policy changes. I would argue that assuming the application of government and commercial regulatory policy to the people is the real failure and that until we as a people understand that fact in law then we will always lose and be our own worst enemies regardless of whom is elected.

Politics is the same game that created this mess but everyone demands more of the same with just a different opinion. It is the opinions that destroyed our freedoms so why wouldn't we actually solve the problem instead of just changing the problem?

Did you ever consider that the political process itself and assumptions about how law is applied is the REAL problem? Did you ever consider that the entire political process is not functioning within law and that through modern politics we literally broke the law? Did you ever consider that if we ourselves don't understand proper functions and application of law then we might be the tyrants of the future to another?

I'd say that politics is way short of the finish line for the awakening and that politics only makes tyranny and never prevents it. All of history has proven this as fact. Not only that but politics is about the least effective solution there is to upholding the protections of law once one actually understands the law.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Yup

I just want like-minded people in the control center so that we can nullify all these useless federal laws at the state level.

Cleaning up your state and their garbage laws is a whole other mess! But for that I would love to have a Sheriff who would nullify all the nonsensical useless State laws : )

Essentially I'd like most laws coming from my mayor because he's the closest to me physically. Additionally my vote counts most in his election.

Romney won the Iowa caucus.

Romney won the Iowa caucus.

Ron Paul won it. Go look it

Ron Paul won it. Go look it up.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Romney beat Paul. Paul came in 3rd.

You have been here as long as

You have been here as long as me, so i dont know how you missed all of this, but yes, we won iowa and many other states in terms of delegates.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-wins-iowa-caucuses-2...

You are right...

I got very active in the 2012 elections when I discovered that Ron Paul was what he was. I went to rallies and sign waves and conventions in NC. It was terrific. But the conclusion of the election was truly the suck. To see, indisputably, the cheating and dishonest conduct on behalf of the establishment was enough for me. Screw me once, shame on you. But with the spit still dripping from my face I continue in a stride towards liberty in the knowledge that our system is no longer under our control, is likely unsalvageable, and that my efforts are probably better put towards leading a free and independent life on an individual basis as a member of a community. When we establish the new system we will ensure that the constitution is enforced and we cannot create systems that invariably seek more power.

Spinning Wheels

If misguided efforts of preaching to the choir continue on the DP, I don't doubt for a second that Iowa will be lost to the neo-conservatives in the GOP. We have informed people wasting time listening to more of the same instead of taking the message to the people who haven't yet heard it. Again, get off your duff, stop LISTENING to the preachers of "liberty" regurgitating the same message over and over again, and take the message of liberty to the people who haven't yet heard it. By now, you should be capable of identifying the culprits. Within the past hour, I finished broadcasting the message of liberty locally to the people who really need to hear it. I couldn't feel better as my motive is sincere and the audience near.

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I like your attitude, tpreitzel

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No no no

No one won or lost anything last night. As a snapshot, my precinct had 7 "liberty delegates" and 1 establishment delegate.

Let me explain how the Iowa caucuses work. I was a delegate in 2012 from my precinct, county, district, and onto state.

Effectively, anyone who wanted to be a delegate could become one. There is a limit but the turn out is so low that it doesn't matter.

At the precinct caucuses people sign up. Then in March we have the county convention. Here delegates from the precinct go to the county convention and decide who will go district.

At district we choose who will make up the State central committee.

So in short, no one has won or lost anything yet! It is who continues to turn up that will decide things.

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

So is it like that everywhere?

What should I expect if I go to a precinct convention in Texas?

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Another reason why....

...all our people need to JUST SHOW UP.

Now, it helps even more if you have been involved and stay involved if for no other reason than just building PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

That way when you do "just show up" people vote for you because they LIKE you, which, like it or not, is a far more powerful motivating factor for most people than politics.

Above statement relates to inside baseball. Someone else replied in this Op about taking the message to the masses. I completely agree. However, we need to do BOTH.

Everybody acts with rational self interest

Our job is to explain with the establishment types, is that continuing to support the staus quo will not benefit them

On the other hand our position is much more beneficial to anyone in business.

We just have to get past the taboo of being young and passionate to the older folks

SH*T

That sucks. :(

"Warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." -Sun Tzu

not so sure

first of all the Paul supporters went stealth, but I also searched some meetups in Iowa and it appears we had success from those locales.

First of all, we swept in 2012, it will take more than a few Terry I'm establishment button holders to take it back. It ain't that easy.

However, I'm sure some Brandstadt supporters took seats, will it be enough, I doubt it. There a 3 factions, establishment, religious and liberty. I would guess the liberty and religious came together to beat the establishment back. It's really Tea Party / Liberty vs Establishment, if we stick to that formula we are going to win some races.

However, the time is now to,organize for your local caucus. Get to work people

I wonder if those

I wonder if those establishment types support Rand?