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Hope without action is called

Hope without action is called a dream. It's hunger that drives action, even when there is no hope.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

Nice :-)

I second that!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Thanks, Michael...

for putting out such positive posts! The winter blahs are really getting to me lately & it's nice to have reminders that this is the optimal time to go inward to initiate positive actions that will benefit me on personal level as well as nourish my involvement on a larger scale.

I have been thinking of this

today and I have concluded that I do not have any hope or illusions of an idealistic future but I do have faith in the common man and the tenacious desire for survival.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

The REAL problem with any revolution

Is the bankruptcy problem after it has been waged. Texas after 9 years joined the US and gave up massive portions of its land to the US. The Republic of Yucatan won its revolution, only to re-annex back into Mexico because of financial problems. Even the US had financial difficulty and created a central bank.

Money is always the last hurdle of a successful revolution.

I get it!

Surround yourself with like people who hold this sentiment.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Dex, you're right!

That is exactly it!

Not sure I can agree

The driving force of revolution is committment to change, hope is expecting 2016 will make a difference.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I want to agree, but someone else we know promised hope

and change. It has not worked out so well. The whole system needs rebooting...


How to revolt:

Refuse to submit to authority
Resist authority
Protest against authority
Reject the system and legitimacy of authority
Advise others to do the same

How to be revolting:


Things that make you go hhmmm

It would seem that "hope" usually prevents revolution. At least that is my personal observation.
Where there is hope there is clinging to the status quo as one:
...hopes for the best
...hopes things will get better
...hopes for change
and perhaps worst of all,
..hopes that "he/she" is the one

It is most observable in unhealthy human relationships as one partner denies the realty of their current partner.


Liberty = Responsibility

You don't need hope at all

You just need to stop believing in government... stop believing in something imaginary, and grow up mentally... you can hope all you want, but if you are still thinking voting in a big enough group gives your group the right to steal (taxes), then you are the tyranny, and I hope that you wake up.

I hope that you take some time and watch this... I hope that you are capable of understanding it:

Hope is a double edged sword.

Hope is a double edged sword.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.
-Patrick Henry


In addition, hope is an overused, vague propaganda term used to feed the bipartisan masses something void of meaning to chant. Change, hope--you name it. The new Fascists learned from the previous generations of oppressors. In the context of liberty, action is the word that is the most important.

Fiat debt bubbles defrauded humanity out of trillions

Competing currencies and free markets offer hope of a prosperous future for all humanity.

Imagine limited government
Visualize non-intervention
Innovate better currencies
Build a better system

Did you get a chance to read this when it was posted?

I don't think many saw it - It is so good: http://www.dailypaul.com/283378/goodnessthis-is-not-the-age-...
It is apropos....
"...What do you think goodness is? Some commodity, a material substance that can be wasted utterly, atomized, made inert? Do you think it is a thing, that can be destroyed, organic matter that can die? Do you think it is an idea that can lose its force, its coherence, its context, can be rendered quaint or antiquated by time’s passing, or by any suppression or negation? What do you think goodness is? Goodness is like fire: it is a process not an entity, not even a mental entity: it is process, it is relation, it exists only in the moment of its enacting, in the moment of ignition, of relation, where matter and energy become one, become nothing, become all...."

Thanks for the reminder...

I've been losing my patience.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS

Do they have a

"Revolution for Dummies" book out yet. We need a "how to" thread or an instructional video... Have joy and happiness in your hearts. We have all been lead here for a reason. We are very fortunate to have this place. Thank you Michael for saving a spot for me.

Yeah - "Les Miserables"

Victor Hugo.

It Ain't Over 'Til the Fat Lady Sings

Was in Bahrain with the missus this past weekend for some pork products and libation (for us playing in the Sandbox a.k.a the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, weekend is Friday and Saturday) .

On the way to the restaurant pulled up directly behind a car with Bahraini license plates sporting a RON PAUL STICKER. No kidding, made my week.

Guy turns into the restaurant / hotel parking lot where we're headed. We wheel in beside him and jump out for a chat. Turns out he is an expat from California and swallowed the red pill in 2008.

For the record I have NEVER seen an Obama or Romney sticker here. As it turns out on my 2nd to last trip to Bahrain I spotted a Ron Paul sign still dangling on a freeway overpass. No joke.


Something else

I don't think in hope or despair

I think what is needed and go to it with action even when the odds are insurmountable and crazy.


Would you rather be doing anything else?

You may feel defeated constantly but if you think it's right you won't stop even if you know you'll fail. Hope has nothing to do with it - do it anyway.

Do what is right and good.


Smiley face

Michael Nystrom's picture

The Psychology of Revolutions

Some books:

Anatomy of Revolution

Gustav Le Bon: The Psychology of Revolutions

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There is a different kind of a revolution going on now. I can't put my finger on it exactly. But it is technology, gradually pushing us out. Gradually, dehumanizing us.

Once computers are superior to us in every other way, there is no need for us.

Computers can play Chess, and Jeopardy, but they can't play No Limit Texas Hold'em.

That game is still too complicated. To much human stuff going on.

The computer needs a limit. The computer doesn't get it. It doesn't get how much to bet, with no limit. It needs a limit. It only follows rules. Like the agents.

And bluffing. It doesn't get bluffing. At all. Just like Spock: "It is not logical, Captain."

"The Unabomber was Right"

That's the title of an interesting essay over at KK.org: http://kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/02/the_unabomber_w.php

The author contends that Kaczynski, everything else aside, understood that technological society as a system ("the Technium") operates and advances largely in a manner independent of values like freedom and self-actualization, although advances are driven by aggregate values like time-saving convenience. Our nature has had to play catch-up as technological society has demanded increasing specialization and alienation from the natural world, as our environments have been transformed, and our labor has transitioned from one of general skills, to one of skilled mastery in a certain craft, to the Industrial Revolution, which reduced the dignity of work and transformed production from one that required specialized knowledge to a set of mechanical actions.

For a study of the costs of the Industrial Revolution in the North of England, compared with those living nearby in relatively traditional agrarian circumstances, refer to Friedrich Engel's classic monograph:

The Condition of the Working Class in England (1845)

Now, we have transitioned from the industrial economy into the "information economy," or the "service economy," depending on where you fall. Although technology has made feeding, clothing, and meeting basic needs much easier, saving time and energy, in our lives, this has not really meant freedom. We will always invent new tasks and new chains; the surpluses of the contemporary age mean we can afford to have fewer farmers, but we invent for the need for more layers of management, more administrators, more bureaucrats. The decadence of our era can be measured in the number of PowerPoint slides we blankly stare through, as much as rates of suicide and fatherless homes.

In many ways, I am less of a man than my father, and he was less of a man than his father, who built his an extension to his home with his own two hands as well as a hunting cabin in the woods. And he was less of a man than his father, a master bricklayer. I have more latitude in choices, but I doubt I am genuinely freer.

"The system does not and

cannot exist to satisfy human needs. Instead, it is human behavior that has to be modified to fit the needs of the system." I think he was right about that.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

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Kevin Kelly quotes the Unibomber extensively in his book

What Technology Wants.

Technology is a mixed bag. On the one hand, it allows for communication such as this. On the other hand, "the information economy" creates some incredible alienation.

When we've all uploaded our brains and are living on the internet, will we be lesser men than we are now?

Computers amaze with binary operations.

But they don't play chess. But men took the risk and offered to program it to do so.

I've been programming machine code since 1970. Computers are perfect slaves. Snowden revealed that they often have other masters.

The Deathly Hallows: Protect property rights, privacy and historical knowledge; The wand, cloak and ring.

The theological virtues of understanding, producing and caring were exemplified by Elrond, Galadrial and Gandalf.

Religion is an odd word. Ligament or tie is to re-tie to reality of the past, present and futures.

But, for those who see only the re-lecturing it is good for a laugh.

Computers are not religious, they are tools.

Free includes debt-free!

fun fortune for tuning

This specific comment provides as good a place as any for my entrance into the general topic provided by the simple, axiomatic OP.

Hope is nothing, really.

Not that I imply hope to be an unworthy concept, but nothing is important, and people never fully engage themselves until they have nothing. Despair implies something, something that people still imagine they hold, something they yet cling to. Despair bears expectation. Expectation begets calculation. Calculation involves limitation. We can program computers to virtually despair, but hope does not compute whatsoever.

A libertarian sees hope in an empty jar. Others see despair. One who is programmed for despair will run a slow, virus-laden computer endlessly or at least until he gets a new one for Christmas. :D A libertarian won't hesitate long to save what he can, format his hard drive, and reinstall a fresh operating system.

Bluffing is for those who don't fear despairing an empty jar, those who haven't forgotten that nothing springs eternal and that nothing is actually often quite necessary, good fortune, and hopefully fun.

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I'm glad that you, and others have noticed the problem with hope. We all remember Obama's "HOPE."

Where does that highway lead to?

Hope is like a drug. A temporary salve. It takes you out of the present moment, so you can bask in the fantasy of the future for a while.

Gangaji says "Give up hope." She also says, "Give up hopelessness." Live in the present. Format that hard drive!

When you go all in pre-flop.

They will fold every time without the nuts. Unless you are short stacked and the blinds are high that's a lot like limit. All in, preflop with 2-7 offsuit can be as good as AA, unless your target is in the blinds. It would take at least 3 players and target would need to be on the button, which means last to act.