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Snowden: NSA is Serving Corporations! THEFT!

I thought this deserved it's own Headline.. because THAT'S what we're talking about... It's called stealing... theft.... and 'JUSTIFIED' because the THEFT is in 'our' National interest.
No it's not.
It's in 'their' National interest... the corporations.
It has NOTHING to do with the PEOPLE of this Nation.
It's simply greed and theft cloaked in the 'guise' of 'National' interest. Kind of like 'Support the Troops'... what does that really mean?
SHAME on us if we ALLOW this to continue in OUR name... no different than bombing brown people in OUR name.
Call it what it is.


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Garan's picture

Its 12:15 (central time) and the video is taken down.

Does anyone know of a duplicate?
[edit: the post (below) has a link.]

ARD is broadcaster

When ever any official claims

When ever any official claims national security i will just go ahead and assume they mean the governments national security, and NOT, the IMPLIED, PEOPLE'S national security, because..... when the god damn shoe fits.........

by the way, who is "ard" and why have they blocked this video under "copyright" grounds

That was a retorical question, funny how copyright and censorship share similarities, because.......when the god damn shoe fits

Israel is a major player in Corporate Espionage

In 1999 I worked on a project for Raythoen that the DoD had influence over. In order to work on the contract I had to sign a paper that stated that I was aware that China, Israel, and I forget the 3rd (think it was Russia) were heavily engaged in industrial espionage and I had to swear that I would immediately contact the DoD if I were ever asked to discuss work with any Chinese, Israeli, or Russian nationals.

Now we know that the NSA 'shares' data with the Israelis. Is it a bit odd that Israel has become the world's leader in innovation in the last 20 odd years?

Is it coincidence?

This is a good example of how

This is a good example of how the -free market- is a myth. People will always try to distort it to their own advantage. Capitalism the way we know it has played out it's role if you're looking for a fair and free system.

Time to start from scratch.

What is your definition of 'Free Market'?

What is your definition of 'Free Market'?

What Adam Smith described in The Wealth of Nations (Which is much better interpreted after reading Theory on Moral Sentiments) is nothing like what is practiced today. Free Enterprise abhors Oligopolies (Monopolies in practice do not exist) and requires a Minarchist or Limited Government. Just enough government to 'help' enforce contracts and property rights, and not so much government that encroaches on contract and property rights. It's the Goldie Locks Zone of Government. Not too much and not too little. It takes some effort to keep it in that Zone.

It is essentially the attempt to integrate Human Behavior and Natural Law.

The Free Market need not be a myth, it just cannot exist under the type of government that we suffer under. That said, if a truly Limted Gov't were to be practiced, the Free Market would spontaneously grow and thrive.

Well this is a pretty

much given, corporate espionage aside from personal blackmail..... HELLO!!!

Erik Holder claiming that

Erik Holder claiming that Snowden hurt national security? What about Holden? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

Cyril's picture

"If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black"

Indeed. Or, alternatively:

Shameless, adjective:
1. lacking any sense of shame; immodest; audacious
2. insensible to disgrace
3. showing no shame

brazen, indecent, impudent, bold, unabashed, unashamed, hardened, unprincipled, corrupt

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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And btw, even academia is sick and tired of it, and don't fear

And btw, even academia is sick and tired of it, don't fear to leave their usual reserve, and say so:

A Letter from US Security Researchers Urging to End Society-Wide Surveillance (Matthew Green's blog, 1/25/2014) :


What does this tell *us* ?

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Among other things, yes.

Among other things, yes.

("Duh." Just the standard fascist procedure)

Jon Callas, on the Cryptography Mailing List (cryptography[at]metzdowd.com) - January 2, 2014 :

Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept


[...] History looks different when you look backwards than when you look forwards. Everyone has a tendency to act as if things were predetermined when we analyze the decisions of the past. We also assign intent when we have to explain a WTF.

Yet the usual answer to "What were you thinking?" is "They weren't." To quote the great philosopher David Byrne, "And you might say to yourself, 'My God, what have I done?'" [...]

Would the NSA exploit such a flaw? Hell, yes. We keep seeing this from leaked documents, over and over. It's clear that they have taken the hacker philosophy that nothing is out of scope or out of bounds to heart as an operating principle. You can see it in the recent ANT toy catalog, as well as the BULLRUN statement that sent us all into a tizzy. [...]

This leaves the question of what they *have* been doing with that $250M, which is a good question. I lean towards private standards like those used in telecom etc. In the public world, we're good at doing it to ourselves. Jon.

Per Wikipedia, even, no current disputes:


[...] In 2004, before NIST standardized Dual_EC_DRBG, NSA paid RSA Security $10 million in a secret deal to use Dual_EC_DRBG as the default in the RSA BSAFE cryptography library [...]

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The marriage of business and government

is called fascism.



But of course ...

To the globalists the Evil Eye of Sauron is a primary tool of economic world dominance as well as social control.

It's all one and the same in the end, is it not?

The same evil

is justified any number of ways
and served cold
as Patriotism.
Damned be those who partake in such a meal.