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WTC7 - The Gash and How It Got There

WTC7 Gash Graphic

WTC7gashtop Anotated

WTC7 Gash Top Close An

WTc7 Gash Middle2

The column location of this lower hole is uncertain, but it appears to be in the vicinity of column 20:

WTC7 Gash Bottom Anotated

How It Got There...

7 Gash Progression West Composite

7 Gash Progression West Arc Analysis

Collapse sequence begins at 1:25. Piece of interest appears at 1:34:

http://youtu.be/2ttD9w5LTFY

A north view confirms it lines up with WTC7 near column 20

7 Gash Progression North Composite



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Barry Jennings witnessed this gash being made,

not a bomb. His time line was mistaken.
In his interview, he emphasizes how hot it was in the building during the same time frame the towers were falling (firemen moving away from the building was his sign each tower was falling). The only time that building got hot was after North Tower collapse, and the fires had to have time to get going in order to make the building hot.
No one witnessed an explosion in 7 prior to South Tower collapse; Vesey St and the Promenade were crawling with evacuees and 1st responders.
The interview with Officer Bennette after South Tower collapse shows no indication of a "big explosion" in or near the lobby.
Jennings was in an enclosed staircase (west). There is no doubt when that perimeter wall slammed into the bottom it sounded like an explosion. Did you notice how fast it was traveling in the video? Hitting bottom would be the first sound Jennings likely would have heard. The damage he describes fits this gash damage to a tee.
These are facts a grand jury will see.

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That can be argued over til the cows come home...

and you'll get absolutely no where with it. Bottom line is there is zero evidence in the debris of CD. Every bit of it shows the building broke apart at it's connectors, in accordance with the damage shown in this post.

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I agree that no evidence makes the CD of WTC7

leaves the use of explosives left in the realm of speculation.
I would not say "Every bit" of evidence shows the building failed at its connectors.
The problem has several parts.
The government took control of the material in question and quickly removed debris. No independence inspection was done. It may be there was evidence of CD, but it was not being looked for. The government had its narrative and an incentive not to find anything that contradicted that.
It has been over a dozen years since the building collapsed and several scenarios have been offered as to what caused WTC7 to fall. If every bit of the evidence says the building broke apart at it's connections due to damage from falling debris, then why the story about the fires and other causes? Saying something doesn't make it so.
If the mass graves at Katyn had been dug up by the Red Army instead of the Germans, the Stalin regime would have concluded the Nazis did it. The site, being sanitized, the Soviets would have said there was not a shred of evidence the Soviets had killed those Polish officers. Even though they did say that and did execute them.

I understand there is evidence of thermate or thermite in the debris.

It seems to me that other than video footage, there is zero evidence about anything since everything is gone.

The question is not how it was done, but who did it. The government never seemed interested in doing a real investigation. Everything was presented on the 24hr news stations the same day as to who did it and why. Evidence really didn't matter then or now.

The bottom line is the government is not credible. The story is a lie and what happened in NY will be debated for decades more, just like the JFK assassination. That was another incident where everything was cleaned up quickly and little of the official narrative makes sense.

I don't believe what the government tells me other than when it tells me it promises to do me harm if I don't fill out the proper forms when it tells me they are due.

How did WTC7 collapse? I haven't a clue. All I know is the government is a liar. This is all that matters.

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The structural evidence clearly shows how the building fell.

It's not a matter of there being no evidence of CD; the evidence speaks clearly. And this is my point. A grand jury will be shown all this evidence and shown how the building fell. It's unquestionable, and this gash is central to understanding.
Not only are there hours of video and hundreds of photographs, there are thousands of first responders and steel workers to interview (my next project).
All proponents of CD have is dust and a lot of subjective maybes. The alleged dust particles will be dispatched in one fell swoop in court. Jones never considered rust (with a boiling point much lower than steel, and reversion to iron at it's boiling point) as the source of the micro spheres, nor the massive amount of steel cutting beginning day of. And again, the structural evidence does not confirm any use of CD.

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Thank you.

Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with you of how or why 7 WTC collapsed, the content presented in this was good information.

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Did gashes cause this?

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Those are not demolition squibs; these are:

WTC7squib Comparison2 Composite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eem7d58gjno#t=839
These are not:
WTC7 Squibs Composite

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These are "Venition" blinds, not squibs. How about "Venetian?"

In addition to spelling correction:

Did WCT7 have Venetian blinds in the windows?

Squibs made with classical explosives versus squibs made with thermate.
Do they both look the same?

Do asymmetric gashes cause six-second free-falls of 47-story buildings?

Are there any other examples of free-falling buildings due to "gashes?"

Thanks.

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Thanks for asking...I needed a pic in my library:

WTC7 Window Blinds

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Enron and 9-11; Connecting

Enron and 9-11; Connecting the Dots

Enron imploded in December 2001. The proximity to 9-11, in terms of timing, was initially dismissed as America’s bad fortune. But a growing body of evidence suggests that the implosion of Enron may have been closely tied to the events of 9-11. The following is an attempt to connect the dots between Enron and 9-11.

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2012/03/13/enron-911-link/

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Are you saying this gash is irrelevant?

The building fell congruent to this damage. If you assert the building was intentionally brought down, shouldn't you be able to produce some evidence in the manner it fell and the debris? ("straight down" doesn't work).
The facts I post are similar to what will be presented to a grand jury, were one ever to be convened. What facts will you bring? An attempt to link Enron? How does that prove the building was intentionally collapsed? You have to establish indeed, that controlled demolition was used. The fact is this gash had everything to do with how the building collapsed, and the structural remains as well as debris patterns confirm it. There is no sign of CD in the debris.

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Let me ask you a question

Were any of the floors of the WTC-7 specially reinforced after it's original construction?

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You haven't answered mine.

Is the gash irrelevant? Do you understand the role of the perimeter wall in a large span building design?

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Since I was in the city that week and took in the whole

charade I have a bias against the claim that no explosives were used.

I grew up with the kids whose family owned the largest demolition company in the northeast.
Controlled demolitions were something we saw with regularity and insight from the people who performed them.
There's a smell that comes from a CD.
There's a certain way that the rubble falls.

I saw buildings that were opposite Towers 1&2, that were hit with massive debris and didn't get compromised.
I know you're talking about the span floor truss system.
But I also believe there were interior supports as well as the floors that were modified for Salomon Brothers with a super structure.

Why were police and fire personnel counting down and pushing bystanders back when the building went down?
Would you do that for a spontaneous, unforeseen collapse?

You don't want to hear anything to the contrary of the 'lone gash' theory.

If you really did, you'd contact an organization like A&E for 911 Truth, www.ae911truth.org/‎ and present the lone gash theory in the interest of resolving issues.

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Yes, they knew it was going to come down.

It was predicted by the inspection team about 1 pm, led by Richard Rotanz, Detailed fire commander of FDNY to OEM. All fire and police personnel in the area knew it was about to fall.

http://youtu.be/XImQ6a-VrnA

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All I want to hear (or see) are facts BT.

I don't have a preconceived notion. What I report are simply what the facts speak. I will entertain any credible structural evidence of CD. I have found none in my research. All debris patterns and structural remains show the buildings broke apart at their connectors, and there is a ton of it.

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Here's the part of the "super structure" which was knocked out

by the falling steel. The lintels were sandwiched. The only resistance was the weld on each end of the lintel I-beam:
WTC7 Gash Wall Framework

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It was the content of WTC-7 that caused the collapse

WTC-7 housed offices for the CIA, Department of Defence, SEC...
Floor Occupant
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28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) Securities Valuation Office
18 Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
9-10 U.S. Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International

http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. … “Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these cases.” [New York Lawyer]

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. … “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2007/03/40684/#gPIXpLb38tc0jw6R.99

The weird thing about those

The weird thing about those offices is, how can there not be an off site backup for their docs? Was everything for the cia, fbi, sec, irs, etc written by hand and never copied? I don't get why people think destroying a building would also destroy all digital files associated with those govt agencies.

Also, I do not believe the official story.

For some reason I can see the gov only having papers versus digi

I don't picture government agency computers especially those with real serious information being connected to any internet connection. And the files that they would really not want out I can see being on paper with zero digi backups.

Maybe I watched too many bourne identity and get smart lol.

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