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New Stabilized Video Of Police Officer Shooting Man Who Had His Hands Up In The Air

Police in Pinal County, Arizona, claimed that the shooting death of a suspected car thief two weeks ago came after the man had turned to reach for a weapon. But video surfaced this week from a bystander, showing that the suspect had turned his back to officers, with his hands held high in the air.


http://youtu.be/JeFoKXHijk4

Notice the deputy on the right is already holstering his gun when another decides to execute the man.



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Hard to

see exactly. Remember WE WERE NOT THERE. This video is shaky. From what I see:

1. officer yells "Show us your hands!" and another "get em up!"
2. suspect remains standing with legs spread but hands down. (his right hand appears to be somewhat behind him)
3. camera man running to get better view
4. officer with a clear view of suspect (frame right) I believe starts firing, but it's unclear why or what the suspect did if anything
5. suspect starts moving (I believe after being hit) toward car
6. more gunfire, suspect throws up hands then collapses

Remember often people will pull a hidden gun and begin firing on police. That is a fact. I don't know if this shooting was justified, BUT the suspect did NOT have his hands up in a tense situation. Not good on his part.

One thing I noticed

Watch the deputy sheriff on the right side of the screen. He "appears" to be holstering his weapon at the same time this man is being shot as if he recognizes that the man has turned around and is giving up.

Also he "appears" to give a real "oh shyte!! hop and skip" as he moves in to handcuff the guy.

My feeling is that someone was a little stressed, trigger happy and shot this man in the back. Who ever shot him will no doubt be cleared (maybe not) but wrongful death is likely in a civil suit.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Should have used a taser.

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I hate it

I hate it when there is a false headline. There were shots fired before he puts up his hands. He starts to try and get back in the car or something and the shots start. He throws up his hands for a second after that in the midst of fire. There is still a case for this guy not being shot, but this headline is false.

Strongly disagree. He clearly decided to surrender--

his arms were way up in the air.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

after

After the shots were already raining down on him, yeah. They went up for one fraction of a second. A sort of, Holy cow, this is for real, ok I give up... uh oh, too late.

so, they shouldn't have stopped?

when they saw his hands go up? Unless they didn't have time to think about it...it looks like murder. the cops were mad at him. you can't kill someone justly cause you're mad.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I never said that

Look I'm not itching for a fight here. I totally agree this man should still be alive. They shouldn't have started firing in the first place, but the whole, "he was surrendering" thing and "had his hands up" is bull. He should have dropped, put up his hands, whatever he was being told to do. But he was stupid and then the police did something stupid as well. There are no good guys in this scenario, that's all I'm saying.

Glad they shot this pig and saved all the money to prosecute and

house his ignorant a-s-s.

He's a danger to law abiding innocent people.

The cops took one threat to everyone off the street for good.

He earned a bullet.

This is not about bad cops.

This is about cops who have to deal with people who think they can endanger anyone they want to.

This guy obviously was raised on TV drama and he thought it was all pretend.

Well he got a dose of reality.

Screw with people enough and you pay the price.

I ain't Jesus. I don't have the power or the place to wipe people's sins away. They have to want it. This guy wasn't 'ready'. So he's 'dead'.

I live in an area where people are getting ready to take similar action against politicians and gas drillers who have done the same thing.

They think they can steal and destroy people's wealth and livelihood -- even their health and get away with it by dancing them through expensive, draining court cases.

Well it ain't going to happen that way.

I get all that you're saying..

but if cops are allowed to basically execute a car thief because... they are mad at him? stressed? they are afraid he has a weapon?? because he didn't give up in time?? None of those things deserve a death sentence and if one is allowed then where does it stop?

I used to feel like you pretty much but then I came to the realization that we are on a very slippery slope with cops abusing their power.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

I understand your anger.

Use your anger for good not hate. It only tears you apart and is not healthy you. Shooting people don't solve the problem. How about starting a protest against them gas driller. Bring to the attention the evils that they do. Run for office use your bully pulpit to run them out of town. There is a lot we the people can do!

Just my advice.... You know what best for you. It is your life you should live it as you see fit

The secret sause of life.

Stealing one car is hardly a reason to kill a person. A justification based on economics might prove otherwise. A man has a working potential that is lost and even car thieves can move on to a live productive life.

The guilt is for the jury to decide. By murdering the so called "subject" the authorities have taken this man's right to life, do course, and Habeas Corpus. His offspring will live less off and will also be prone to a life of crime and anti-authority behaviors.

The family of the person murdered by a official of the state can litigate this matter for many years to come and the financial cost may be many times that of the cost to send one prisoner to the the prison systems slave camps.

Just because a man has committed a serious crime does not justify committing a heinous crime such as murder which happens to be a deadly sin.

You may be glad to watch the world burn now, but in the end all that is left is dust and ashes.

The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

That's your take

But the bottom line is this;
The man refused to stop and drop.
His actions seemed to indicate that he was not in a state of mind to stop his rampage.
If he's going for a gun or going to get back into the weapon of mass destruction and do more damage, he needs to be stopped with lethal force.

I don't condone abuse of suspects and their rights.

I haven't read any news stories on this, but I'm wondering why

you think this was justified. His hands were in the air when the final shots were fired.

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All the car thief supporters

All the car thief supporters always come out of the woodwork.

I'm only going to say this one more time, then I'm done with this thread.
If this sucker killed or maimed anyone here,
anyone's loved one -
mother,
father,
brother,
sister,
daughter,
son,
wife,
grand mother,
grand father,
or best friend
maybe he ran over your DOG! -
I'm pretty sure they would want justice for the car thief who was on a high speed chase for 40 minutes.
He could have stopped - come to his senses - and avoided killing someone or being killed himself.
Driving the way he did - at high speed - recklessly - was like taking a loaded gun and just shooting randomly.
Just because he didn't kill anyone doesn't mean he didn't put innocent people at risk.
All the car thief supporters don't see a speeding car - 4,000 pounds - as a weapon.
But if this was about a gun they would immediately chirp up about concealed carry being a way to stop the danger before the police come and take a report.
I'm done.

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The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

I think we should have a study on banning guns.

And since things like this happen all to often the cops should be our subjects of study! Ban all guns from these pigs!

some guy tried to rob my

some guy tried to rob my house the other day but my girl was home and called the cops. he is lucky i was at work or else i would have busted him over the head even if he was only stealing a sock from my dirty hamper. i am getting real tired of theifs around here. mostly crack heads. who deserve just that.... cracked heads... the guy here should have never ever ever took this car and he made his own bed. how is it that crack heads can rob peoples home for like 30,000 and only have to pay a small fine and some time in jail. even tho this video is horrible maybe it will make young punks to think twice..

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Completely agree about thieves, but this guy was not on

private property. He was executed without a trial. How do we KNOW he stole a car?

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

It's really simple.... DON'T

It's really simple.... DON'T STEAL CARS!!!!!!!!!!!

At no point

did he reach inside his car for a weapon.

Didn't they end up finding out he didn't even have a weapon on him?

Cops should be trained to de-escalate these situations, instead they do the opposite. Look at how many of them there are first of all. Their safety is not in question, its clear who will win if there is a shootout. Look at all of them running around in the background causing all kinds of unnecessary excitement. Its like a kid in a candy store, oohh I can't wait to shoot my new toy!

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

You point about them running around like kids in a candy store

IS valid. And I do agree that cops are notorious for escalating situations.

But, their cause for shooting this guy is also valid. And I did see him reach in the car for something - and since it was stolen car - I am guessing he wasnt going for the license and reg.
You are in a stolen car, clearly had a police chase and now you are surrounded. At some point law and order(even if the cops are like little kids in candy stores waiting to pull the trigger) must prevail over anarchy. And I would say the repeated calls from the guys with guns would be the point were you put your hands up.
Waiting until the first few shots miss(which is funny in and of itself) is NOT the time to start making smart decisions - you have already bet against the house - and the house always wins.

I do take issue - as with all these incidents of pack mentality - with the action after he is shot and neutralized. The roll them over and cuff them when they are bleeding out seems a little over the top to me. And it occurs in every one of these videos.

Have you ever had a car back over you?

Get real

"did he reach inside his car

"did he reach inside his car for a weapon." how do you know what he was reaching for?? People should know that when you have over ten cops with guns yelling at you to raise your arms you don't hold one behind your back, yell back, and then run for the car...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Well

If you read the story he had no weapon. Cops are supposed to calm the situation down and be patient not escalate it.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

They don't know that. They

They don't know that. They know some frantic guy isn't complying and then going for his car... with a hand behind his back..

They were both wrong. He he went on his knees with hands up right away none of this would have happened...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

yeah

people do crazy things when they are anxious or afraid. (not to mention mentally ill which many of these situations involve.)

If its a crowd of 10 cops all pointing weapons its clear they have the upper hand, meaning they need to exercise caution and restraint (with great power comes great responsibility). Remember their mission statement is to serve and protect. This means they are willing to sacrifice their own safety for the safety of the general public.

The final point here is, had this man killed anyone? No, he stole a car. Was his life worth that car? I don't think so. They should always err on preserving life.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

You don't know that. Cops have been known to shoot people

on their knees.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

on the ground..

Cops have been known to shoot people on the ground.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Let me say over all I don't

Let me say over all I don't like cops AT ALL!! However, I will disagree with the way this is characterized. The guy had his hands down the whole time (one behind his back), THEN he starting walking into his car when the shots went off. He quickly raised his hands and then two more shots.

Both are to blame. if you are surrounded by trigger happy cops you get on the freaking ground and put your arms up. Why is he still standing there? However, once he got hit the first time and put up his arms they did not need to shoot again..

What would compel someone to move in to your car with over 10 people pointing the guns at you?? Explain that to me, and explain why he didn't raise his hands and submit with so many around him??

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...