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Things are getting real...

A retired Army general and Fox News analyst told a Tea Party group that he would lead a military coup against the U.S. government, if only reluctantly.

Paul Vallely, a retired major general and senior military analyst for the conservative news channel, told the Surprise, Arizona, Tea Party Patriots during a Dec. 3 speech that other retired military personnel and veterans groups had contacted him about the possibility.

“I had a call this afternoon from Idaho, the gentleman said, ‘If I give you 250,000 Marines to go to Washington, will you lead them?’” Vallely said as the group laughed and gasped. “I said, ‘Yes, I will, I’ll surround the White House and I’ll surround the Capitol building, but it’s going to take physical presence to do things.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/27/fox-news-analyst-tells...

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MLK's speech wasn't so long ago

MLK, though, was able to gather hundreds of thousands of Americans at the same place on the same day, and they didn't even have the WWW to agree on the same message by demonstrating their physical presence.

I see no physical or practical impossibility for Americans to not do it again, but this time to claim their Constitution be back, with possibly also a list of grievances.

We are living extraordinary times. Be they negative.

But, has anyone heard of that sport called "Judo"?

Anyway...

Having a champion of the founding texts, like Dr. Ron Paul, to deliver that message would be HISTORICALLY helpful.

One will argue that the MSM can always try to black it out - okay, but... how can anyone know before it's been tried?

And that wouldn't need any military.

Just some speech text prepping and picking up a date with enough notice.

With today's "situation", that could be massive.

It's not about blacks vs. whites this time.

It's about ALL AMERICANS vs. the anti-Americans in office.

You've indeed got "a situation" here today, America :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peECAPrA_2g

Don't you?

Deal with it.

Without military coup, preferably, if you can.

"Just saying."

Peace.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The guy is a certified clown.

Military-Industrial Complex Pro-War NeoCon.

From his wikipedia:

the war on terror is a war between Islam and Judeo-Christianity: "That's what's going on. If you don't understand that, then you don't get it."

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Vallely toured the Camp Delta detention camp at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba in 2006 while collecting material for a book he intended to co-write with LTC Gordon Cucullu, entitled The Myths of Gitmo: Torture, Abuse or the Truth. Vallely and Cucullu later participated in an interview with FrontPage Magazine in which he blasted allegations of detainee abuse as "myths of the left-wing press". He also voiced support for the force feeding of detainees attempting to undertake hunger strikes, claiming the detainees were "...simply restrained for 20 minutes so they can be fed Ensure. They get their choice of four flavors of Ensure. It’s put in a very unobtrusive feeding tube smaller than a normal straw and it’s put in there for 20 minutes, so they get breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They get to go back to their detention facility."[4]

Force feeding of non-psychotic prisoners has been banned by the World Medical Association since 1975, listing it alongside torture as a form of "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment".[5] Vallely later admitted in the same interview that neither he nor Cucullu had actually spoken with any of the detainees to corroborate official reports of their treatment.[4]

When prompted further as to details of abuse, Cucullu stated that at least one prisoner "...may have been roughed up a little bit", but immediately clarified "We’re not trying to do an exhaustive history of Gitmo in this thing."

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Vallely made the following statement to World Net Daily on November 5, 2005 regarding the disclosure of Valerie Plame's CIA affiliation:

Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Joseph C. Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five, conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts....Vallely says, according to his recollection, 'Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002' -- more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."[8]

Vallely later said that only one such conversation had occurred:

After recalling further over the weekend his contacts with Wilson, Vallely says now it was on just one occasion – the first of several conversations – that the ambassador revealed his wife's employment with the CIA and that it likely occurred some time in the late summer or early fall of 2002.[9]

Joseph C. Wilson denied ever having disclosed his wife's CIA status to Vallely, and his attorney wrote to Vallely and World Net Daily demanding a retraction, as reported in that publication.

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Vallely also co-authored a 1980 paper with then PSYOP analyst Michael Aquino entitled From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory. MindWar is defined as "the deliberate aggressive convincing of all participants in a war that we will win that war." The paper contrasts a use of psychological operations such as propaganda with a new approach. The paper contains this passage:

Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with "selected" - and therefore misleading - truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP there; its source makes it credible. As Livy once said:

The terror of the Roman name will be such that the world shall know that, once a Roman army has laid siege to a city, nothing will move it - not the rigors of winter nor the weariness of the months and years - that it knows no end but victory and is ready, if a swift and sudden stroke will not serve, to preserve until that victory is achieved.

Unlike Ellul's cynical propagandist, the MindWar operative must know that he speaks the truth, and he must be personally committed to it. What he says is only a part of MindWar; the rest - and the test of its effectiveness - lies in the conviction he projects to his audience, in the rapport he establishes with it.[11] In practice, however, the difference between MindWar and cynical or deceptive propaganda, from the perspective of the audience, is difficult if not impossible to perceive.

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Also his pro-war book Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror has its intro by Oliver North, the wikipedia entry stating the foreword was by former DCI James Woolsey. Perhaps the latter was from an early edition?

My advice: AVOID

Cyril's picture

Oops...

Oops...

Indeed. I'd rather see the people use THE VERB

FIRST.

LOUD and CLEAR.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

George Washington was NOT a

George Washington was NOT a United States Federal citizen. He was a Virginian. There can be no new George Washington because there are only Federal citizens. The States are devoid of their peoples because they have pledged allegiance to a government foreign to their States', and have become rebellious against them. Only the Virginians, Massachusettsens, Connecticuters, or New Yorkers, among other of the States' peoples, have the right, or lawful status to be called "We the people." They were the ones who wrote the the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution for the united States. US citizens weren't invented until 1868. A new George Washington can only come forward as a State National, for only then would he command the lawful status to be sovereign with his State and dismantle the de facto Federal Government and its political overlay subdivisions known as "The State of..."

But to be sure there is no violence or revolution necessary to accomplish this goal. There is only knowing the law.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

General Vallely is

...No George Washington.
This guy is poison.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Military coups always turn out wonderful...

Count me out.

I think the world has seen enough war. If people will stand up and withdraw their participation in significant numbers, the State will have to give or fail.

The first option should never be to use force or ultimatums backed by force. If people are willing to engage in violence, they should first be willing to quit paying taxes and following unjust laws.

Perhaps, folks could take the time to listen to this audio book:

http://mises.org/media/categories/116/The-Politics-of-Obedie...

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BUMP.

BUMP.

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My warm advice / warning on this:

My warm advice / warning on this:

The retired general has suggested that a new George Washington could be drawn from the ranks of retired military personnel to lead an insurrection because his aims could not be achieved even through this year’s congressional midterm elections.

Well, should that be so, just be very careful to not draw from the ranks a Bonaparte posing as a Washington, then :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon

You don't deserve that. You'd be back to "Square '2008" in NO time, and likely for even worse.

Here's WHO ought to be your next Commander, imo, no MORE, and no LESS :

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights

LITERALLY.

Good luck Americans,

Your alien friend,

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President Paul

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Another good option, too :)

Another good option, too :)

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Perso, I'd rather have him as Chief Justice of the United States

Personal preference, I'd rather have him as Chief Justice of the United States.

If he and the people would be interested.

He can read and understand the English of the Constitution.

NOT as a "living document".

Only as THE FOUNDING document, instead.

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He ran for president...

you were going to vote for him...right?

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But yes, I would have had.

But yes, I would have had.

NO BRAINER.

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I can't vote.

I can't vote.

I'm no citizen.

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Not to be considered lightly, I'd say

Military coup... Hmm...

The issue with those is you know when they start, but as for when and how they end, it's quite a bit of a challenge to make a good prediction on the outcome... either way.

That said, alternatively, I'm all for the American People to consider bringing some folks of today in office - who have well self-advertised in the news for years now, to our viewer delight - before Justice, just to see how that works out for those!

I'm of a very curious nature.

Americans, just a quick tip :

also consider booking a stadium for when you have them ready to hear their charges.

Good thing you guys build big things for sports, btw, see! :)

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Yeah, because coup d'tats

Yeah, because coup d'tats always work out so well for those of us who love freedom. <-Sarcasm in case anyone's detector is broken.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

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SUPER media explosion talking about US!

...the ORIGINAL Tea Partiers out there who were in the streets and showing a presence, originally, for RON PAUL. They have finally begun to go mainstream. We can help.
Of course, this guy is not 100% "us" but he has some great ideas.

Lets NOT be silent now! NOW is the time to strike!

Everyone! Do what you can this week to join a "group". Relocate your people, from wherever they are or make new contacts. Start local.

God bless.

Btw, check out all of the media linked to in this thread, the entire speech, especially, is encouraging. We have to ensure that this round of "TEA" Party movement is not, again, co-opted.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

It is a Fox News analyst

so let's cover our asses before we jump on this guy's bandwagon.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I agree but...

if it's a start to get rid of the NSA, NDAA, Patriot Act and all of the other power-grab government spooks, I'm willing to listen.

He may not get 250,000 marines but he could get 2.5 million armed citizens. Once the military sees that, they'll join us.

I'd rather do it peacefully through elections and such but I've lost faith in the process.

I told you guys 3 years ago

I told you guys 3 years ago before the last election that the process was rigged, when everyone was so confident that Ron Paul was going to win the primary and beat Obama to become president. I already knew that was fantasy thinking no matter what. I had the same feeling back in 08. Everyone was down voting me and saying I had a "defeatist mindset" and everything. I'm betting the election process has been rigged since at least Ross Perot ran in 92 and probably somewhat 50 years before that or longer. The U.S. Government has been corrupt for a very long time and everyone here was born into indentured servitude and not even known it, because you've not known any different.