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These are the rules of Kill Bill Movie night:

① The first rule of Kill Bill movie night is EVERYONE IS NOW NAMED KIDDO. If you're going to kill your heroes you really need to put yourself in Beatrix' shoes. Channel your inner Kiddo, kiddo.

② The second rule of Kill Bill movie night is YOU HAVE TO KILL YOUR HEROES, it's the only way. You do want to be free, don't you Kiddo?

③ The third rule of Kill Bill movie night is YOU HAVE TO BECOME YOUR OWN HERO, better than your old, dead,hero. That's the whole point!

④ Finally, the fourth rule of Kill Bill movie night is YOU CAN TALK ABOUT KILL BILL MOVIE NIGHT ALL YOU WANT. In fact, it's encouraged. We want to know how you killed heroes. You need to encourage others to kill their heroes too.

BE CAREFUL, IT MIGHT GET MESSY!


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Michael Nystrom's picture

Well, things change

Kiddo: [Describing her pregnancy to Bill] Before that strip turned blue, I was a woman. I was your woman. I was a killer who killed for you. Before that strip turned blue, I would have jumped a motorcycle onto a speeding train... for you. But once that strip turned blue, I could no longer do any of those things. Not anymore. Because I was going to be a mother. Can you understand that?

Bill: Yes. But why didn't you tell me then instead of now?

Kiddo: Because once I would have told you, you'd claim her, and I didn't want that.

Bill: Not your decision to make.

Kiddo: Yes, but it was the right decision and I made it for my daughter. She deserved to be born with a clean slate. But with you, she would have been born in a world she shouldn't have. I had to choose... I chose her.

Everyone's gotta do what they gotta do. And everybody's changing.


http://youtu.be/Zx4Hjq6KwO0

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Just FYI

I looked at BB as a symbolic representation of Beatrix. Beatrix killed Bill and reclaimed BB, thus herself. She achieved self ownership after killing her mentor.

killing me softly with his song

What drives change?

;D

Heros?

Putting people on pedestals causes them to fall off, for like you they are human.

Now when I was young I " looked up to " some folk.

Frank Llyod Wright and Roberto Clemente.

But both are already in the " dirt nap " phase of existence, no need to overkill.

Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Michael Nystrom's picture

Part II is teed up

And I'm settling in to watch it right now.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
jrd3820's picture

Bang Bang

jrd3820's picture

Hell hath no fury....

Such as a woman’s scorn. Which is precisely why the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad is composed primarily of females.

Daryl Hannah, although her part is small, makes a great crazy/evil nurse.

Gogo is insane. I mean, she is just insane.

The showdown at The House of Blue Leaves (probably the most infamous scene) is amazing. With as much blood in that is in this movie, it’s not as hard to stomach because of the obvious fakeness of it, like when she cuts Sofie’s arm off in that scene and it is spraying everywhere…. Still a lot of blood though.

As per usual with Quentin, the cinematography was fun. Like when they show O-Ren Ishi’s childhood in comic style. Also, as has and I have already discussed the snow scene is brilliant.

I watched vol.2 a while ago, and if I remember correctly it has more to do with killing heroes than the first one because she has to actually Kill Bill who she loved at one point. But… I thought I remembered this one much better than I did, so I could be wrong on that thought… I might go on to vol.2 in a couple weeks.

I love this scene with Lucy Lu... “As your leader…I encourage you from time to time to question my logic….” Lol. Once again… Hell hath no fury….

http://youtu.be/OLvz5E61UNs

Ok…. Actually I think I kinda wanna watch vol. 2 soon ish… idk yet… I can’t remember what happens and how this ends. Does she Kill Bill? Hmmm….

My favorite part

is the fountain in the snow. The sound of it rising and falling is the otherwise quiet scene has something about to it that fascinates me.

A close second is when Hattori Hanzo writes "BiLL" in the condensation on the window pane. The look on his face and his posture as he swipes the "i" to dot it has something important to say about his past with Bill. He looks really regretful about something and expresses it in that swipe.

jrd3820's picture

Yeah,..because the sound is peaceful

and almost calming and serene and there they are having an epic sword battle.

I did notice that in the scene with the word Bill also. He looked strained and as though he felt guilty for Bill's actions which is probably why he helped Beatrix.

I am straining my brain to try to remember parts of vol.2 so I imagine I'll probably watch that soon also so I can put it all together.

I also love in the kitchen in the scene with Vernita and Beatrix talking over coffee where Beatrix does the 'square' thing with her hands like in Pulp Fiction.

Don't be a...

http://youtu.be/mi6tQthPDWc

glad I'm not the only one to notice that

Coming from the big fight with the Crazy 88's into the snow scene is almost transcendent. There's a 180 degree difference between the two.

I forgot how the scene with Copperhead ended, totally caught me off guard.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Well, I watched it yesterday

I guess I didn't get so much the part about 'kill your heroes' but maybe that comes in part 2.

I saw it more about revenge, and when it comes to revenge, what I learned is:

1) Revenge must be complete and total. No loose ends.

and

2) to quote the ending,

Revenge is never a straight line. It is a forest. And like a forest, it is easy to lose your way... to get lost... to forget where you came in.

It was entertaining, but I think I fundamentally missed something that others might have seen.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

kill bill please

i like a lot of tarantino's stuff but i didn't like kill bill. i didn't know
why exactly but these two reviews helped me to understand.

JG Ballard, novelist
Kill Bill Volume I, which I rented the other day, is dreadful. It was scarcely a film at all - just a lot of cinematic posing by Tarantino, who has obviously completely run out of ideas. It's just a compendium of film cliches, which weren't wittily transposed or played upon. Dreadful. It's appalling to think there's a Volume II, and even conceivably a III and a IV somewhere in the echo chamber of Tarantino's imagination. It's a fast-forward experience if you want to save your sanity. I've got 60 years of film-going under my belt, and Kill Bill I is definitely on the all-time bad list.

Nick Broomfield, documentary-maker
This will earn me some enemies but I'd have to say Kill Bill - Volumes I and II. It's like watching a schoolboy's fantasy of violence and sex, which normally Quentin Tarantino would be wanking to alone in the confines of his bedroom while his mother is making his baked beans downstairs. Only this time we've got Harvey Weinstein behind him and it's on at a million screens. That's why I think all those male prepubescent film critics loved Kill Bill so much. It's acting out all their fantasies. I think Tarantino is very confused in his mixing of sex and violence. On that level he just feels like a young guy whose been let loose in the candy store, and there's suddenly all these violent bitches around that he can put in his movies, and have a lot of fun with. As they say in the business, Kill Bill should never have left the lab.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2004/jul/02/1

You need to see both parts kiddo

Think about it in terms of mentors and students, the student becoming the master.

Watch the interactions between Beatrix and Bill, Bill and Pai Mei, and Beatrix and Pai Mei (and to a lesser degree, Hanzo and Beatrix and the implied conflict between Hanzo and Bill). Compare them to one another. Why was there conflict between Bill and his mentors but not between Beatrix and the same mentors? Why did Pai Mei teach Beatrix the five finger exploding palm technique but not to Bill? Why did Hanzo make the sword for Beatrix after swearing never to make another sword?

Michael Nystrom's picture

That's kind of what I figured, kiddo.

Fascinating.

Ok. I'm going to let the tension build. But I need to take a little break from that movie. I'll watch it the week after, because I think this one is going to play an important halftime role for me in this movie.

The Candidate.

I didn't realize this movie was 4 hours before I agreed to watch it!

But I'll watch the second one. I did enjoy it. There was something about it.

Uma Thurman is hot. And there are some things that are just so ridiculously, ironically funny. Like the Pussy Wagon.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

It kind of bleeds together

I forgot it was so long too. I think it's the way Tarantino tells the story, you kind of lose track of the time.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I think I'll suspend the Candidate for now.

It seemed like a good idea at 4:00 this morning, lol. You've got my interest piqued now for part 2.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Too late, I'm already on board for The Candidate

I think Kill Bill was intended to be one movie but it was broken up because of the length. Killing your heroes probably isn't the main theme of the movie, but there's something along those lines going on in the movie. Sort of an idea of overcoming your training, programming, or conditioning to improve yourself. Like everything else, it depends on how you percieve it I suppose.

LOL, remember Uma in the back seat of the truck wiggling her toes? Maybe the whole thing was just a way for QT to satisfy his foot fetish. People are weird, who understands their motives?

jrd3820's picture

I watched this last night with a friend

He asked me how I even know what's going on in Tarantino movies since I spend half of them closing my eyes because of all the blood. I forgot how bloody this one is Has...

More to come later, but it was fun to revisit.

ahem...I told you it might get messy

just finished part 2. I forgot about the colorful language

mountaincat's picture

Like Sally Sparrow

I only have 17 DVD's
Kill Bill I & II sit right on top of The meaning of life (which I won in a bet). The Cave, a few Jackie Chan movies and a collection of Doctor Who.

http://youtu.be/qDYJR9vQprI

Seventeen. That's all?

I'd never counted, but I see that (excl some Great Courses college courses), I have... eighteen, including 6 tv shows, 8 movies, & 4 documentaries, two on bees http://www.dailypaul.com/281864/to-bee-or-not-to-bee (I also have movies on VHS.) I love Jackie Chan, the Rush Hour films w/Chris Tucker, and Twin Dragons is a riot.

I'm going to pass on Kill Bill this weekend. A few movies for consideration for DP group viewing are... Transsiberia; Pan's Labyrinth; The Fountain and Pi (same director); and Spielberg's Empire of the Sun.

Transsiberia http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2246508825/
Pan's Labyrinth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbffV5LZfZI
The Fountain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2IpUTZkls
Pi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo18VIoR2xU
Empire of the Sun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT2bMVneriA

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

That's what I'll say when the

That's what I'll say when the revolution is over.

This should have been under the post with the music. It makes no sense here.

Michael Nystrom's picture

It does make sense to me.

Because this movie is a piece of art. Movies are the artwork and craftsmanship of our age.

Movies are experiences. We can experience emotions vicariously through the characters. I was laroche when I was watching it. And I was charlie. I was both Neo and Trinity in the Matrix. I was Morpheus. I was even Funckle Face, who ate the steak.

A Tarintino movie that I loved was Resovoir Dogs. And Pulp Fiction. But I don't think I've seen anything after that.

- - - -

Everyone loves movies.

Here's what I propose. Write a 750 word review. 750 words is the length of a standard editorial, or short movie review. It isn't that much. You have to be concise with ideas. It is formulaic, but the advantage is you can get picked up by other outlets.

But it is opportunity for practice as well, to critique current movies from a libertarian perspective.

The Liberty Movie Writers! We could call ourselves. We could be a group, define a school.

The Daily Paul School of film criticism. Criticism from a liberty perspective.

Libertarianism is still on the rise. There are more things to contribute than just politicking and electioneering. A revolution must be total. Dr. Paul said it would need music.

The Daily Paul says it needs movies. And not just movies, but all of the arts.

What makes a hit a hit? Resonance

Samantha got a book in Taiwan on Acupuncture / Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) that talked about how the heart was not (just) a pump, the heart is DRUM.

The heart is a drum, beating out the tune for the rest of the body.

Change the beat of the drum and you change the tune. Completely.

DeeJayG had it right: Be careful what you feed your subconscious mind. Stop feeding it crap - all this negativity. Okay. We know the problems. Now shut up, and get to work.

Ron Paul is running the other way. From legislator to pundit. There really must be no hope!

But number6 had it right too, in another way. We are under attack. Under attacks in ways we don't even understand. The negativity here can be overwhelming.

Taking a break from that is necessary too. Taking a break to slip into another world for two hours. Like travel, without the airplane.

I'm looking forward to this film. I'm going to make this a Sunday Matinee. Sunday at 1:00pm. That's when football usually was on. It was a ritual. A ritual of relaxation. Because that really is what football was. A form of ritual relaxation and enjoyment for me.

And I don't think anything is wrong with that. I'm looking forward to it.

Kiddo.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
Michael Nystrom's picture

Huh?

It makes sense where it is.

Haven't you heard of the Beatles?

It really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right / where I belong I'm right / where I belong.

This is the Daily Paul. Everything is exactly where it belongs.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Of course it makes sense

Everything is everything else and everything is everywhere

http://www.amazon.com/Impossible-Question-Krishnamurti-Class...

jrd3820's picture

It's a movie

It's with videos, tv, movies. It's fine where it is.

jrd3820's picture

Tomorrow Has

Tomorrow
Very excited, haven't seen this in a while.

jrd3820's picture

Uma Thurman

I have vermin to kill

"You must have big rats you need Hattori Hanzo's steel"
"huge."

Check out the way she's says that. Completely aware of what's coming up.


http://youtu.be/rIr6rEndy0A

Michael Nystrom's picture

That was a trip

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The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts