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Marijuana has made me too lazy to vote in 2016

I thought I was mistaken when I heard that Obama said marijuana was less dangerous than alcohol. Then when I heard that Rick Perry favored decriminalization and a states right to legalize marijuana, I could not believe what I was reading. Seems that politicians have realized now, thanks to the people of Colorado and Washington, that marijuana legalization is a topic that can no longer be ignored at the national level.

Then there is Rand, trying his best to ignore it. Apparently, he doesn't want me to go to jail for it, but doesn't want to legalize it either.

"So I don’t really believe in prison sentences for these minor, non-violent drug offenses, but I’m not willing to go all the way to say it is a good idea either. I think people who use marijuana all the time lose IQ points, I think they lose their drive to show up for work.” Rand Paul

How can you champion liberty and at the same time want to use government force and regulation to keep adults from making their own decisions about whether to use marijuana? Rand has said nothing but negative and stereotypical remarks about marijuana users, and apparently is willing to call many of his would be supporters lazy and unproductive.

After the 2012 election, I joined the Republican party because of Ron Paul, and became a PCO to gain extra votes towards determining the 2016 Presidential candidate. I thought if not Ron then maybe Rand would be the next champion of liberty. I may have to look elsewhere.

If Rand runs, and I don't show up in 2016 to support him, it won't be because marijuana has made me too lazy. It will be because he either doesn't understand true freedom or is willing to concede it in order to gain favor inside the party. He needs to read some more of his father's books.

Ron Paul:
"Freedom to make bad decisions is inherent in the freedom to make good ones. If we are only free to make good decisions, we are not really free.”

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Isn't it just another form of escape?

Some people drink, some watch American Idol, others read 'hollywood' blogs.
Anything... ANYTHING to divert their attention from the reality of their lives.
This idea that it's medicinal... but don't you only take medicine when your sick? Do you have glaucoma? Cancer?
It's a way to relax. So is reading a good book or listening to calming music.
I'd rather be high on life than rely on an outside substance in an attempt to create a false sense of elation, or whatever it is people feel when they partake of it.
But mostly I don't understand the need to lose one's senses. I don't really know much about marijuana; I hate the smell of it. I used to drink socially but stopped in my early 20s, had gotten alcohol poisoning and haven't touched the stuff since. But I never drank to excess. The moment I began to feel the least bit tipsy I stopped. I never want to lose my presence of mind.

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More like makes you capable of coming up with better ideas

than voting.

But don't be lazy, corporate consumer culture needs you to be an obedient worker and consumer. "Chilling Out" is for unproductive savages. The system needs you to depend on their corporate food and fluoridated water. Smoke too much herb and you might get it in your head to meet these needs some other non-corporately controlled way.

Rand & GOP are totally off-track on cannabis

cannabis is capable of a variety of medical miracles and is inherently good for you. The alleged negative effects are instead due to cannabis causing a detox of gov.corp poisons.


Because Rand is right...it IS

Because Rand is right...it IS bad for you. Everyone I have ever known who used it did indeed act less intelligent...it seems to dull the wits to some degree. Now...that doesnt mean I think it should be illegal...just like I dont think alcohol or any other drug should be illegal...but denying that it has a detrimental effect is wishful thinking. THERE ARE NO DRUGS that are good for you...period. Our bodies are built to be balanced with nothing but basic nutrition. I do not and never will support drug use for any reason....but I also do not and will never support penalization for drug use. So I agree 100% with Rand on this.(and no...I dont and never have done drugs...even alcohol except for a beer or two...never even been drunk and have no desire to be. I can tell alcohol is a poison when I have on occasion had a beer...just like all other drugs). You may say its good as a painkiller...and that may be true...but pain is a symptom and dulling the pain doesnt help the root cause one bit....I dont take pain killers either...even those times in my life that I was injured bad enough to want them I refused them because...pain is a symptom...your body's way of telling you something is wrong...why would I ignore what my body is trying to tell me? Now if marijuana actually cured a disease of some sort as a one time treatment I would be all for using it for that purpose..maybe it does..I dont know, I just see no point in "recreational" use of any drug...escaping from reality is just lying to yourself...reality doesnt go away.

I'm sorry but you sound like an idiot- I'm sure I'm wrong

"Everyone I have ever known who used it indeed act less intelligent."

Maybe you just hang around unintelligent people. Yes this could be true.

"There are no drugs that are good for you period."

Did you know that cannabis encourages neurogenesis? Yes, you read that correctly, it's been found to create brain cells in your hippocampus- you know the part about memory, organizing, and storing information. This could lead to some interesting discoveries regarding the treatment of illnesses regarding memory, such as, alzheimer's disease.

I wonder if my patient overcoming stage 3b Melanoma has to say about cannabis? Oh yeah, it was something like this... "I wouldn't be here without it, I was SO sick; with all the radiation, the experimental drugs, and chemo I couldn't hold anything down. Because of cannabis I'm alive, I was able to eat, to sleep, to control pain, I was able to heal."

I'm sorry what was that about drugs again? Oh yes, drugs are bad. I think I'd agree with you there. It's a good thing cannabis is not a drug but rather a nutritional supplement that's gone missing from our diets.

Really though, virtually everything you put in your body is a drug legal or not. It all creates a cascade of chemical reactions within the body. Some are enjoyable and neurogenetic like cannabis and others are toxic and addictive like sugar.

Hay, speaking of sugar, did you know molecularly alcohol is very similar to sugar- have a look here: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/0...

"You may say its good as a painkiller...and that may be true...but pain is a symptom and dulling the pain doesnt help the root cause one bit....I dont take pain killers either...even those times in my life that I was injured bad enough to want them I refused them because...pain is a symptom...your body's way of telling you something is wrong...why would I ignore what my body is trying to tell me?"

Yes, you are right pain is a symptom. Yes, you are right, pain is your bodies way for signaling problems. Congratulations! You've just said a couple accurate things -you should now give medical advice- but before you do, let's talk a little more about pain to give you a little more credibility....

Pain is subjective. Meaning it's individual, and everyone PERCEIVES and EXPERENCES it differently. http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-...

It's a fairly simple concept. There is an injury (let's stick to something physical) mechanical or chemical. Pain ensues. Followed by Pain. Followed by spasm. Followed by pain etc, etc,. If this cycle is not interrupted it continues.

What can we expect from pain? Aside from pain itself (the sensation), pain creates muscle weakness leading to decreased abilities to perform daily tasks. If it's signficant enough, pain disables you. It decreases your neuromuscular stimulation due to the active nocioceptors (pain nerve cells) input into the central nervous system (CNS).

This stimulates your autonomic nervous system (ANS) over-riding your peripheral nervous system (PNS) which decreases your ability to relax, digest, and sleep. Without your PNS you don't heal as well. How do you heal if you can't sleep or eat?

When I surgically reconstructed my knee, the anastesiologist talked me into receive the 'nerve block.' She told me in plain words that I will be in a lot of pain, and if all I feel is pain, I will recover less quickly- so what did you say about pain, and drugs tough guy/girl? Your nervous system if always upregulated with painful stimulation will be hyperactive and you may never fully live without it.

One last thing- your dull friends- unfortunately when you rely on the black market the quality is not always there- as cannabis ages the psychoactive THC (delta9-tetrohydrocannabinol), & CBD ( cannabidial) molecules degrade into CBN (cannabinol). It is CBN which is responsible for the sleepy, stoney, stupor you see many people who consume.

I think all this pot smoking, & eating is making me too smart.

I wonder what you'd think if I juiced the plant. When the plant is not dried or exposed to a heat source there is THCA which is nonpyscoactive- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw

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That's a great argument

from someone who has never even used this natural substance that grows from the ground. "Everyone I have ever known who used it did indeed act less intelligent" Sounds like you have a problem with being judgmental towards people who don't take your route to pain relief. What is right for you may not be right for everyone. And just because you 'see no point in recreational use', doesn't make it so. Nobody is escaping reality my judgmental friend, it's still there and we know it. My reality would be that I would go without sleeping for days at a time if I didn't have my God given herb. So yes, you can change your 'reality'. It's too bad you expect the world to be full of your clones. It's kind of nice to have differences, it kills the monotony of this whole waiting to die thing.

Did you go for days without

Did you go for days without sleeping because you didn't have it?

Rand is right. It should be up to the states. Even if our states legalized it...I would still encourage my children a healthy lifestyle. Regardless if it is safe or not...being sober is the best choice. As with anything...in moderation.

Rand is wrong.

It should be up to the individual. Unless he is speaking in a strictly constitutional context, positing the supreme authority of the States over both their hostages and their agent the Fe'ral Govt.

Even so, I would likely vote for him if he were the Republican nominee, but I'd much rather see his dad go at it again.

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No, not at all.

I have always had bouts of sleeping issues, but after I left the military it became a nightmare. Sometimes I would go three or four days without being able to sleep at night. At one point my family was seriously wanting to have an intervention with me to get me off whatever 'junk' I was on. haha Finally my mother, who is an old hippy, talked me into smoking some herb one night about 9:30pm or so. I was kind of giddy at first, then I was out like a light by 10:30. I have tried sleeping pills and such but they will make me feel like total crap up until at least noon the next day. I don't even make the mistake of taking tylenol pm anymore. It totally ruins my next day. I'll choose made from the earth over man made any day.

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Marijuana Gateway to Health

Marijuana Gateway to Health: How Cannabis Protects Us from Cancer and Alzheimer's Disease is the title of a book on Amazon with 61 reviews and a 4-1/2 star rating.

Related books include:

The Benefits of Marijuana: Physical, Psychological and Spiritual (20 reviews, 4-1/2 stars)

What If Cannabis Cured Cancer

I cannot vouch for the contents of the books, because I have not read them. However to make a blanket statement that all drugs are BAD for you is misleading. Anything you put into your body, including food, acts as a drug. Anything CAN be bad for you, but to deny beneficial effects of all drugs is simply ignorant.

p.s. for more books on the health benefits of Marijuana, see: Here

Maybe if you eat it. I would

Maybe if you eat it. I would think smoking anything could do damage to your lungs.


I've seen that is has positive effects on lung function. So really if you smoke cigs it will help protect your body from "modern radiated tobacco". I prefer vaping and smoking organic tobacco myself.

Interesting. I was just

Interesting. I was just thinking back in the day when I used to choke down a bong load and cough like my lungs were on fire. That could not have been good me.

Your right. It depends on how

Your right. It depends on how you use it. "free will" To much of a good thing and all that. It is like any other medicine in that you have to find a set "dosage" that works for you. I just recently got the vaporizer and the effect is light and fluffy in comparison with what was for me a sometimes heavy, paranoid effect from a pipe. At any rate you are sober within an hour and that is it. It doesn't make you something your not. If your lazy, your lazy. If your angry your gonna be angry. So on and so forth.

Maybe your bong loads were a little much..

I know people who 'cough like their lungs are on fire', and we keep the bong away from them. They just don't understand moderation, even with a bong. But yes, vaping is the way to go. I got my first vaporizer from vapolution about ten years ago and its still going strong. Looking to get a smaller unit now. I wish like heck that the media and 'people in the know' would talk more about vaporizers and ingested herb. I truly think that the whole thought of 'smoking' just doesn't vibe with the average persons understanding of 'health treatment', which is more than understandable. There are great alternatives, but for some reason the media wants to ignore those and pretend we're all out there with joints hanging off our lips. I'm a bowl baby, and can't even roll. Sad but true. :)

We used to put snow or ice in

We used to put snow or ice in our bong to cool the smoke down. It worked pretty good.

Vaping...as in nicotine? My mom has one of those. Unless you are talking about some other method of smoking weed. I would recommend anyone who is trying to quit smoking to get one of those gadgets.

I don't smoke weed anymore. It really did make me lazy.

We use ice around here.

NORMALLY we don't have snow on the ground. :) The vaporizer I have can be used for nicotine or cannabis. I suppose they all can be. This is a glass on glass contraption where you stuff a glass tube with the herb of your choice. Then you put the tube, which has plastic tubing attached, into the vaporizer. You then inhale normally, as in breathing NOT taking a 'hit'. You can see the vapor coming through the tube, but there isn't any smoke at all. If you start smelling or tasting 'popcorn' then you have it turned up too high. You can vape either tobacco or cannabis by simply adjusting the temperature.

I'm like you, cannabis does make me lazy, which is why I stick to using it at night. I didn't ever smoke until after I was out of the military and started having severe sleeping issues, as in three to four days without sleep. Now I sleep like a baby and have the added bonus of really enjoying my adult cartoons before bed. :)

If you want to see what I'm talking about just check out their website... http://vapolution.com/

Your perception that it is

Your perception that it is bad is arguably unfounded. Do you have any studies showing evidence of IQ reduction?

Didn't you know that cannabis kills cancerous tumors?

You seem too sure of yourself to have done any research at all on the subject. So, your sole source seems to be only subjective ignorance.

Nevertheless, it is a plant, and just because you don't understand its uses, doesn't mean that its uses aren't valid.

The very fact that you think states can make a plant illegal makes me question your understanding and commitment to preserving people's rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."


"So I don’t really believe in prison sentences for these minor, non-violent drug offenses, but I’m not willing to go all the way to say it is a good idea either. I think people who use marijuana all the time lose IQ points, I think they lose their drive to show up for work.” Rand Paul.

I think that YOU, rand paul, are wrong.

Jesse Ventura for president in 2016.

Jesse is very left on a lot

Jesse is very left on a lot of issues. He sucks at economics too.

Also this.

"States should be allowed to make a lot of these decisions," Paul said. "I want things to be decided more at a local basis, with more compassion. I think it would make us as Republicans different."

Rand supports state rights.


FREE YOUR MIND!!!!!! Just don't abuse substances.

Substance Abuse is a serious problem, and should be dealt with as soon as you are ready. Being healthy starts inside.

Its better for him to sound like hes on the fence on it

.. to appeal to what is still a large powerful block in the GOP: older white folk that don't take kindly to "the weed".

Then he can easily pivot around on it once he's in office - call it a freedom issue - and take it off Schedule 1.

He can't run on that.

So, strategically he is doing the right thing. Which tells me thats exactly what it is. Strategic.

I believe Rand is playing politics

which is what he has to do to have a chance at being POTUS. You never really find out what a politician truly believes until they are in the office with a veto proof majority in both houses. Nothing new here.

Good definition of a craven coward.

"You never really find out what a politician truly believes until they are in the office with a veto proof majority in both houses."

This is like Pelosi saying Congress had to pass a bill before finding out what the bill contained.

This is a sad commentary on our society. We expect our leaders to lie to us to get what they want. Bad behavior by the elite has become the norm.

Unfortunately, I agree with your analysis.


I agree with you're agreement of my analysis.

Sucks for us.

Nah its common sense smart politics

Rationally thinking this through and considering the potential goal is winning the presidency?

Its a no brainer. Even if he is in support of ultimate full legalization, the wise politician holds certain cards under the table until the timing is right.

Otherwise they get shot down before they even get out of the gate.

Rather than react emotionally and label someone a coward, isn't it smarter to put yourself in their shoes and consider what they are trying to accomplish and what they are up against?

Its ok that a lot of self professed libertarians get all wired up at every little thing he does that isn't 100% his Dad.

Because he is playing his cards right he might not need your support anyway.

I was not labeling Rand Paul a coward.

Rather than react emotionally and falsely accuse someone of something they have not done why don't you try putting yourself in their shoes and understand that you may have misinterpreted the meaning of the message.

What the message was trying to say was that it is a sad commentary on the state of our society that we expect to be lied too, so as to elect someone that then may decide to be a decent human being.

I don't care if you consider me a libertarian, and no, at this point I have no plan to vote for Rand Paul even though he would no doubt be the lesser of two evils. Your type of politics has worked so well in the past and at present, you must be right!

Give me two choices

Which is better:

"My DEA will not raid State legal marijuana facilities after I'm elected. And thats a promise!"

Elected: Turns and sics the DEA on California, etc


"I certainly dont want our prisons filled with victimless crimes, but I don't see where weed is a good idea:

Elected: Stands on the freedom issue, 10th Amendment and medical efficacy of marijuana. Legalized first two years.

And that would be a problem for you how again?

Dont take this the wrong way - but it is fairy tale thinking that in order to make waves in the political world, with the eyes of the globe watching you 24/7 and jumping on every little thing you say, that everyone should be Ron Paul.

Ron ran three times. He was as honest on the day he retired as he was on the day he started.

And he lost three times.

Subjective assertion by Rand.

"So I don’t really believe in prison sentences for these minor, non-violent drug offenses, but I’m not willing to go all the way to say it is a good idea either. I think people who use marijuana all the time lose IQ points, I think they lose their drive to show up for work.” Rand Paul

I have used Marijuana everyday for the last 5 years now and I bet 9 out of 10 times I do better than Rand Paul on an IQ test. I am a business owner, college graduate, I read about 5 books a month, and I train MMA 20 hours a week. So yeah Cannabis must definitely inhibit my drive to "show up for work".....

All this does is show me that Rand does not fully understand the principles behind personal liberty and freedom. i.e. (self-ownership, personal sovereignty, self-determination etc.) HE IS NOT the defender of liberty that people on this site make him out to be, is he better than most? Sure. He is like a Boa constrictor in a snake pit full of vipers, still dangerous...just not as much.

An agitator I agree with your synopsis, just wanted to put my two cents in.