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Do you believe this? Fatal Car Crashes Involving Pot Use Have Tripled in U.S.

TUESDAY, Feb. 4, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- The legalization of marijuana is an idea that is gaining momentum in the United States, but there may be a dark side to pot becoming more commonplace, a new study suggests.

Fatal crashes involving marijuana use tripled during the previous decade, fueling some of the overall increase in drugged-driving traffic deaths, researchers from Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health report.

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia. "If this trend continues, in five or six years non-alcohol drugs will overtake alcohol to become the most common substance involved in deaths related to impaired driving."


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I agree with the title

The key is the term "involving" not "related". Yes people may have pot in their system from 3 weeks ago that might be sober in a car accident.

Maybe So

While I could care less one way or the other, stands to reason if more and more people start to legally smoke pot, more and more people will be driving stoned, and the odds will change thereof, and more and more people will be involved in accidents drving stoned just based on the odds. Jeez, go figure and quit defending driving stoned.

The only downfall to this is the fact that

Marijuana stays in your system for a few weeks on up to a month ( depending on how big of a smoker you are ) and doesn't mean that they were DRIVING STONED as you put it.

Alcohol leaves your system, meth and other forms of dope leave your system pretty fast as well however marijuana sticks around because it actually does GOOD in a body.

I would like them to cross reference how many of these fatal car crashes involving these people had prescription drugs or alcohol in their system along with cannabis. I think they are leaving out that part in their study to make the legalization efforts seem like a negative when it comes to public safety.

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If other

countries are a guide, use declines when legalized. Was true of prohibition as well. It's true though that the parasitic statists will always find a way to criminalize new things in order to generate revenue aka "drugged driving".

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Be Weary of Simply Stated Statistics

If last year there was 1, and this year there are 3, then it tripled.

Even if it were 1000, then 3000, this really doesn't say much unless you look at the number of drivers as well as other comparable concerns, such as drunk driving, or the number one cause of accidents... ..not cell phones, but the presence of passengers (according to people who have a stake in the matter, insurance companies).

If we were serious about affecting actual problems with driving, we would outlaw passengers.

Also, be weary of statistics that are expressed as absolute values, such as 120,000 people have been killed by such and such.
That kind of number may actually be insignificant if compared to other common issues or causes.

These basic mis-understandings of statistics are prolifically used to pass legislation. The end result is a bunch of non-sense that everyone accepts as fact. So, we have a problem of many if not most of our nations decision makers being easily mis-lead.

Is it no wonder some of us get so upset about living under such laws?

Not if you have good understanding about how to understand and use basic statistics.

In other news;

Drug testing by government increased 10 fold and a new study shows 1 in 9 Americans are high at any given time.

I would bet money that the per capita rate of fatal car crashes is actually lower for pot only smokers then the national average per capita fatal car crash rate.

as an example

"Marijuana proved to be the main drug involved in the increase, contributing to 12 percent of 2010 crashes"

I think it would be safe to conservatively assume that at least half those were also on another drug. Which would mean that only 6% of car crashes involve only weed. Combined with this "The 2008 survey found that 35 million Americans were willing to tell government representatives that they had used marijuana in the past year."(which is about 17.5% of the 200 million drivers in america) means that the average per capita car death rate from pot only users is a third the national average.

Then there's this
Report shows fewer traffic fatalities after states pass medical-pot laws


Legalization of medical marijuana, the researchers report, is associated with a 12-percent drop in the alcohol-related fatal-crash rate and a 19-percent decrease in the fatality rate of people in their 20s, according to the study.

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My creativity level goes

My creativity level goes through the roof when I smoke. Alcohol just makes me people slow-moving, uncoordinated, blabbering idiots. Don't think that doesn't have by thing to do with one being legal and the other illegal.

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1 to 3 is ridiculous

It sounds like a change in the detection threshold.

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All my personal failures

I have gotten 3 DUI's. 1 in the military where after a month of having my new vehicle with no insurance I wrecked it into 6 cars and did 4 months in a military prison. 2 DUI's in a 3 week period. Every fight, every scar, every dollar ever lost to courts and lawyers, and fees, and insurance, and 3 hit and runs have all been due to ALCOHOL. Not 1 bad thing has EVER happened to me from MJ. And driving on MJ is amazing where you actually use the turn signals and you aren't driving like a bat out of hell but doing the limit and put on a Bob Marley CD on forget about it. Best experience of my life. No fights no problems. Maybe that's why its illegal it doesn't feed the MACHINE. I'm complete sober now and have dropped the bottle and as much as I love MJ I'm working on getting my life together and moving forward for future and my family. Sometimes God has his way of showing you the correct path and I can see it now when I was 1 millimeter from losing it all.

Best of luck to you...


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You sir are a shining example

of exactly why the alcohol industry is one of the main lobbyists against Marijuana legalization. People find it a much safer alternative to alcohol, and I would happen to agree that it is much safer and much more effective at actually solving certain health issues that people face. It is great to hear your life has turned around through the Grace of God. Keep you chin up and moving forward. I was in the military, so believe me I know how much we used to drink in there. I used to wake up in hotel rooms that were trashed and not know how I got in them, worst thing I did was being late for fire watch though thank God, some dude stayed on post for me and did not say a word about it. Damn Gunny taxi driver kept my wallet though and I lost my ID in his taxi, that pissed me off, he never got it back to me. Take care my friend, God Bless.

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It stays in your system for months!

If you smoke like I did in California with my medical card marijuana stays in your system for MONTHS! Doesn't mean you were blitzed driving and died! And they know this but are pushing the agenda to demonize marijuana that everyone's stoned and getting killed driving! What a farce and only idiots who haven't smoked would believe such bs yet again from a government illuminati controlled institution like Columbia university. Keep it illegal so the banks make the profits. If I smoked pot everyday and went sober for 2 weeks and I just happen to be checking my ipod when I had to serve to avoid hitting another car and rolled into a ditch and died because I didn't have my seat belt on then they tested my blood and I had THC in my system so they said YOU SEE! MARIJUANA DID IT! That's what this bullcrap study is all about. Get real and wake up people.

Fatal Car Crashes Involving Pot Use Have Tripled in U.S.

I didn't see this article say what other drugs people were using along with marijuana. I'd like to see a study where people ONLY used marijuana and got into a car accident. I'm not ignorant to the fact that marijuana impairs ones judgement and reaction time, but I believe that most of the accidents occur when people use other drugs or alcohol along with marijuana. I want to make educated decisions based on facts and not decisions based on someones opinion portrayed as facts.

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia.

What else did they test positive for?

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Also, testing positive for

Also, testing positive for THC is in no way indicative of whether a person was intoxicated at the time.

Next they'll say

that the plastic in subway's bread caused RGIII's knee to heal and turns micheal phelps into a dolphin.
from what i see here...
...you can 'test positive' for just about anything 90 days later via hair test... doesn't mean you're impaired.

haha yea

They tripled from 1 to 3 lmao


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Testing "positive" means you have smoked in the past month, not that you are currently stoned.

Faulty logic.

More people are legally smoking these days, so no doubt more people will test positive. That does not mean more people are driving stoned or having accidents while stoned, which is virtually impossible.

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Well, actually there has been

Well, actually there has been a test now for a couple years that will detect if you smoked in the last 15-30 minutes. You simply dont hear much about it and I am sure they would like to keep it that way.

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I haven't heard of any such thing...

Can you point me to some links? And I am pretty sure that isn't the test that these people were given.

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Heres the the top thing that

Heres the the top thing that popped up.

The original article on something like this was a couple years ago.

And I am not saying they were given this test.

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I agree testing positive

I agree testing positive doesnt mean your high right now; but to be a stickler...it will not stay in your system for 30 days unless you smoke a a few days a week. Trust me i had to take UA's for 11 months and have more than enough old friends who had to do it even longer than me.(We didnt used to be so obedient to current laws when we were younger) If your system is clean and you smoke one joint itll be out of your system by the end of the week. But it definitely can be in there for 30 days even longer than that too, i knew a guy who was locked up and they wouldnt let him out of juvi until he tested clean and it took almost 2 months. But you have to be a real heavy smoker for it to stay 30 days. Being overweight will normally make you test positive longer as well being thc is stored in fat cells and not the blood stream like most drugs

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That is true.

I can usually test clean in a week. I used the month as the accepted average but you are right, a month is a long time and would require HEAVY usage. But whether a week or a month, not high at the time.

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In All Fairness

People stoned on pot "never have accidents". Really? If you are stoned immaculate, cars just pass through solid objects! Ya right.

C'mon people, people driving automobiles, trucks, recreational vehicles, bicycles, etc. who are stoned, are not exempt from having accidents and often die in those accidents, and are often the cause of those accidents.

Please be real and objective. Don't drive drunk or stoned, neither one "enhances" your driving skills.

"die in those accidents, and are often the cause of those

accidents." Really?



In all fairness, there is another side to the story for those that do not believe everything that the prohibitionists sell via the media in an attempt to hipe up public opinion against one thing or another. I agree that no one should drive intoxicated, but the article tells the tale hidden in plain sight.

" in five or six years non-alcohol drugs will overtake alcohol to become the most common substance involved in deaths related to impaired driving.""

Notice he doesn't say "marijuana related incidents", he clearly is talking about all non-alcohol drugs, which they do not reference in the first part of the article, yet use to mislead the reader into thinking pot is the sole cause. Prescription drug abuse is a pandemic in the U.S., but their goal is to strengthen the prohibitionist view that pot is the soul cause of the increase in deaths, but if one reads correctly this is a intentional misdirection to end the article, otherwise known as "propaganda".

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Yes, People Die in Accidents Driving Stoned

What are you tying to defend? That you get stoned and drive okay. I used to get stoned and drive all the time and never was in an accident. So what? Does that mean I am lucky or I am just a good driver when I am stoned? Huh? Tell me? I used to drive intoxicated as well and was never in an accident. Does that mean I am lucky or I am just a good driver when I am drunk?

My best friend in high school wrapped his 1967 Corvette around a light pole on the passenger side in 1969. The accident killed his girlfiend and severely injured him and another friend in the back. And guess what, they were all stoned on pot. He lost control of the car. Why, because he was stoned, plain and simple and he admits that. So what the hell is wrong with just admitting that people can and do die in accidents while driving stoned??