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Do you believe this? Fatal Car Crashes Involving Pot Use Have Tripled in U.S.

TUESDAY, Feb. 4, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- The legalization of marijuana is an idea that is gaining momentum in the United States, but there may be a dark side to pot becoming more commonplace, a new study suggests.

Fatal crashes involving marijuana use tripled during the previous decade, fueling some of the overall increase in drugged-driving traffic deaths, researchers from Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health report.

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia. "If this trend continues, in five or six years non-alcohol drugs will overtake alcohol to become the most common substance involved in deaths related to impaired driving."

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/hsn/fatal-car-crashes-involvi...




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I am trying to say that because pot was in someones system,

It doesn't mean that it was the cause. You state "what are you tying to defend? That you get stoned and drive okay." yet my response clearly stated "I agree that no one should drive intoxicated" to answer your inquiry.

You go on to state "I used to get stoned and drive all the time and never was in an accident. So what? Does that mean I am lucky or I am just a good driver when I am stoned? Huh? Tell me?" I would say that someone that did that was crazy and asking for trouble, but you make a good point that simply because one is high, doesn't mean they are impaired at all times and apt to wreck, kinda disputing your own theory, and yes, per the studies conducted and posted above many high drivers are more paranoid about driving safe and do so, some perhaps not so much.

It is a tragedy that your best friend wrecked his car high, and you state he "lost control BECAUSE HE WAS STONED"? It is the first I have ever heard of anyone losing control of something because they were stoned, and if he was so stoned that he lost control, it could be reasonable to suspect that he dropped a cigarette in his lap that caused him to lose control and he simply forgot that it happened, since he was so high, can we really count on him to remember what caused the wreck?

Point being as in the first post that many times those that smoke are better drivers than the sober drivers on the road "statistically", while your friend was so high he lost control of his car, but you never mentioned speed, was it raining, had they had a drink, were the tires bald, as there are many reasons a vehicle "loses control", being high when it happens is one more possibility, but not definitive cause to the effect.

I am sure that people die while driving stoned, my point being the article started off talking about pot being the cause of all of the wrecks, but at the end of the article it clearly states that the rising number of deaths from automotive crashes will be due to "non-alcohol related drugs", which makes the entire article sound like it is pot's fault when the synopsis of the story is that they are counting more than just pot related crashes, that in reality could not be proven since there is no test to verify that someone was intoxicated with pot during a crash. So "In all fairness" you might be right, but then again, you might be wrong...

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Wait. Did they say over the last decade?

Wait. Did they say over the last decade?

...

Okay.

...

Now, please they do for me the following:

a similar study, but this time about the increase of fatal crashes induced by the incompetent use of mobile phones while driving.

... results?

My "wild guess":

Oh. So that'd mean we need to prohibit the use of mobile phones - across the board, too? (because too dangerous if only while driving)

Why do I feel like something smells ... moronic?

Oh wait. Forgetful me.

Our dear nanny state Supermen, yet again.

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Oh, and btw, it should also be forbidden to have sex - at all.

Oh, and btw, it should also be forbidden to have sex - at all.

Any time, anyhow.

Because if you do it while driving, you can have an accident and you can kill yourself and others.

Just applying our dear nanny state Supermen's "logic", you know.

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It's a possibility, but might just be anti-pot propaganda

For regular weed smokers, it isn't really possible that marijuana would be to blame for any vehicular fatalities. But for new weed smokers - smoking too much of a potent strain, then trying to drive - I would say it is possible. When I first started smoking weed, when I had great quality weed and smoked a good amount I was definitely impaired. Straight fried lol.

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If they count these the way they count alcohol related accidents or any thing else they want to demonize, they count every accident where any one involved had pot in their system even if they were sitting in a legally parked car and a meteor dropped on it. This becomes obvious when they spit out literature on the percentages of what causes accidents. They often end up with well over 200% :D

Pot stays in your system easily 60 days, but the high does not.
How exactly does the joint I smoked last month effect my driving today significantly?

A rise in any count can be entirely accounted for by a change in how the data is collected or criteria of what is counted and what is not. "STATISTICS ARE OFTEN MISLEADING."

But most importantly!!!!!
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Note: I have never driven impaired and do not consume so have no actions to justify. I Just hate the elites throwing money at an issue in order to convince the public of a falsehood.
(see global warming)

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marijuana can stay in your system for over a month

it does not mean you were high just because you test positive.
another refer madness study.

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Idiot Study

its like NO study at all. Let's not even talk about how many out there are taking multitudes of whatever and driving at some point... psychotropic drugs, caffeine, nicotine, too much aspirin, you name it. Let's not forget to include them in the brew. Nobody is going to drive, eat, work, eat, sleep or screw without being on something... Crazy f*cks thinking they've found a pattern because two states legalized MJ.

There is however a whole other enchilada out there. I can't remember (sure) what its called or the formula for fabricating it from the pot, but let's just say that its kinda like: cocaine in of itself is not harmful, but adulterate it into crack and slabam(!), you got something else altogether.

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Duh

THC can be found in a drug test for weeks after use. Are they testing for ACTIVE metabolites or inactive as well? Makes a big difference because the joint you may have smoked a week ago does not impair your driving today. Funny but they forgot to mention that part. They will spin it as they see fit as usual.

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"Currently, one of nine

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,"

This does NOT mean they are under the influence of it.
This does NOT mean these drivers were impaired, or that that impaired contributed to the accident!

Most likely they are beginning to test more people of THC, so they are now finding it more!

Ding! Ding! Ding! EXACTLY!

"Most likely they are beginning to test more people of THC, so they are now finding it more!"

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The only REAL statistic that's tripled

is how worried the Feds are about states nullifying federal laws -- the drug laws in particular, since that's the big cash cow for corrupt government. Hm, "corrupt government" -- did I just repeat myself?

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DOUBLED at best, even by their own standards!

No, I don't believe it. Even the information given by Columbia in the Yahoo article makes one skeptical of the claim that the stat has tripled. Certainly I don't think I'm alone in immediately thinking that the stat they are attempting to shine the light on, may appear as such because testing for marijuana toxicity has tripled in the last decade. Any worthy article headlined as such would address that notion. It would also cite as newsworthy, simply the fact that auto accident fatalities that involve marijuana have increased AT ALL, as fatal car crashes overall have decreased more than 20% in the last decade. Just showing that marijuana related fatal crashes have not followed the general trend would be newsworthy. There is nothing revealed that makes the study's numbers mean anything remarkable even if the testing was consistent (not increased). For example they reveal nothing in how they cross-tested or isolated their 4% from their 16% finding or their 12% from their 28% finding. Even if it was all impeccably done, their alarmist claim of "Tripled" is STILL UNTRUE! Using their own stats on easily available data shows that "Fatal Car Crashes Involving Pot Use Have" DOUBLED at best. I don't even believe that to actually be true, but it shows that they LIE! If they are willing to lie merely to increase their claim from "doubled" to "tripled", then at what other points in their "study" are they idiotically irresponsible, trashing the concept of science, and bending the truth toward a particular agenda?

addendum: Say that in the year 2019 car crash fatalities continue to drop as they have - to around 20,000 [66% of what they were in 2009]. Let's imagine marijuana use continues to increase. Say that ALL people involved in those crashes tested positive in 2019 for marijuana toxicity. That would roughly show an 8 fold increase in percentage of those marijuana related, a 5 fold increase of "marijuana related" deaths, yet still a substantial decrease in deaths overall. Sure, this is absurdly hypothetical, but I present it to show how elusive such statistics (true or untrue) actually are in providing insight toward this or that.

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Correlation =/= Causation

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by "tripled":

they mean they started checking for THC during autopsies, where they normally only checked for alcohol.

tripled from 1 to 3

tripled from 1 to 3

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half of the 400 billion a year drug war goes up in smoke

if pot is legal. Lots of proheebs are worried about their jobs. I don't see it ever being completely legal. Most likely people will be dumb enough to vote for a tax and regulate scheme that's makes things worse like in Washington state. Personally I won't vote for anything unless it completely strikes cannabis from the code.

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I believe it

as much as I believe the study constantly cited that proves cannabis causes brain damage.

Laboratory monkeys were forced to inhale cannabis smoke for several minutes, and all of them sustained brain damage. What the study neglected to mention is that zero oxygen was included in the cannabis smoke.

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Considering alcohol is still legal

I don't see why this makes any difference

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By fatal

the mean extremely slow driving that annoys someone behind them till they bump them from behind?

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No, I don't believe it.

The "Columbia University's 'Mailman' School of Public Health"?

What's next? The Milkman School of Sex Ed?

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"Currently, one of nine

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia.

I want to know what else they tested positive for in those fatal car crashes.

Also, what nationality?

We've had more immigrants that aren't familiar with our road laws and safety in the last decade.

That could be a huge contributing factor if not the only significant factor.

I don't think people realize

That there is a good chance the guy cutting your lawn is probably high. Or a big percentage of the people involved in constructing your home are high and possibly beer buzzed. I worked for a lawn maintenance company when I was younger and most of the guys smoked in the morning and again at lunch time.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

Can't be true....

because we are told pot smokers are lazy and wouldn't dare work a job exposing themselves to high heat or low tempatures much less hard physical labor like constructing a home.

I have friends who were able to have some of the highest

Game scores in the country, while they were under the influence of marijuana. That includes driving games that require more coordination than driving on a normal road.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

Driving after using cannabis

is the same as driving after not having used cannabis...

First time users are the exception, but for most everyone else who has self-control, driving ability after inhaling the vapors of a cannabis flower is no different than driving ability after inhaling chemtrail-polluted air.

Alcohol & Script drugs,,, What????

At 1 hour 1 min 10 sec. time marker on here

talks about Columbia University and it's findings and how fake they are!!!
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Great video with excellent commentators! Thanks for posting.

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