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Rand Paul: GOP Infighting is a Good Thing

Washington (CNN) - Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky told a crowd of social conservatives Wednesday that fighting within the GOP is for the best.

Although Paul pointed out that the debate should not be “impolite” or “rude,” his comments go against what certain Republicans in office have said in the past: That party fighting and vocal disagreement only help Democrats and President Barack Obama.

“Where are we? People say 'don’t fight, you just have to go along to get along,'” Paul said. “We should fight. We should struggle for what we believe in and try to move the party forward.”

He added, “We have to decide are we going to go bold, are we going to go big, or are we going become Democrat-lite.”

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How to run a nation is something that should be debated. Anyone who thinks otherwise should move to north korea.

To those Republican "leaders"

To those Republican "leaders" that plead Republican infighting only helps the Democrats and Obama, I would ask "What's the difference between such "leaders" and the Democrats and Obama? It is because of that lack of difference that the infighting occurs. Such Republican leaders join the Democrat leaders and prevent third parties from developing. So we get the infighting.

Maybe a good team is coming

Maybe a good team is coming together. I just saw the Massie on Fox segment and he spoke clearly. Justin Amash is almost always straight on. The courage to speak fearlessly may be building. No one wants to be the lone voice in the group. Strength in numbers may be building for the Liberty side.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Hi telepathic!

Thanks for posting!

So, we've heard it directly from the horse's mouth.

"We should struggle for what we believe in and try to move the party forward.”

I'm a firm believer that you don't have to be part of the party to try to move the party in the direction we want it to go.

If this is a "representative" government, then we need to raise our voices so the representatives hear us and get to representing. It doesn't mean laying down and taking whatever Rand Paul decides he wants to do.

I've said this before, but even Frodo needed Gollum at the end to bite his finger off and make him destroy the ring. Power can be intoxicating. Even to a kind little hobbit like Frodo.


http://youtu.be/7_L5SCfmBoA

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

utterly wrong on all counts

"you don't have to be part of the party to try to move the party in the direction we want it to go"

Actually, you do. The GOP would never have started to come our way had it not been for Ron Paul campaigning within the GOP, and had it not been for the great many Paulites joining and becoming involved in the GOP as a result of those campaigns. Whereas, no participation --> no influence. This is OBVIOUS, and I'm not sure how you arrived at the opposite conclusion.

"If this is a "representative" government, then we need to raise our voices so the representatives hear us and get to representing."

That's exactly what we're doing by growing the libertarian wing of the GOP. Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Mike Lee, Justin Amash. I feel better represented than ever before. Don't you? And back to your first point: none of these people would ever have been elected had Paulites stayed out of the GOP as you advise.

"It doesn't mean laying down and taking whatever Rand Paul decides he wants to do."

Yea! Fight the power! Don't just lay down and *take* a budget that cuts $500 billion and eliminates four departments, a bill to audit the Fed, a bill to protect the 4th amendment, etc. /sarc

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I couldn't agree more with you, dear Michael!

I think Rand is little bit like Frodo walking in Mordor. And definitely there needs to be as many people outside the party to rock the Big Boat, that is, the Big Tent of GOP. There is need for the insiders and the outsiders and there is definitely need of all kinds of Gollums. As Rhino says WAHOR!

The Tent needs to become huge that anyone could make me, for example, ever to enter into it. I couldn't breathe in that Mordorian Tent with all those evil fumes rising from its Lake of Fire.

One of those outside voices of the True Liberty (the verb that you were suggesting in one post) is of course Bhagwan/Osho. I truly recommend you to watch the following interview with him. I am pretty sure you will enjoy it as much as I did when I saw it yesterday and it actually made me think of you in a sense that I thought that you should see this press interview for a Swiss Newspaper as you are nowadays interested of becoming breathing Liberty. This interview has so many great moments. Here is the link to it:
http://video.yandex.ru/users/ljubav/view/97/

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Michael Nystrom's picture

Needs a very big tent indeed

People on the outside clamoring to get in can help increase the size of the tent. Would the GOP tent ever be big enough to include someone like OSHO? Somehow I doubt it.

That is a very long interview. But I will try to make the time to watch it this week.

Thank you telepathic, and enjoy your weekend.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Well, perhaps the tent would have been big enough for Osho

if and only if Ron Paul R3VOLution would have happened already in the 80's. Osho loved the US Constitution as you see here from these following two quotes:

"I have always respected America as a country of democracy. I have always appreciated the respect for the individual, for freedom, freedom of expression. I have always loved the American Constitution. And now I feel it would have been better if I had not come here, because now I am feeling absolutely disappointed. That constitution is bogus. These words: individual, freedom, capitalism, freedom of expression, are all just words. Behind the screen it is the same politician, the same ugly face, the same mean mind – because in my opinion only the meanest people in the world are attracted towards politics; the meanest, the lowest, because they know they can only do something if they have power. You need power only to do something harmful; otherwise love is enough, compassion is enough. And for compassion you need not be a president of a country, for love you need not be a prime minister."
http://www.oshonews.com/2013/06/the-american-constitution/

Q: It is a rumor in the air that You are being arrested today or tomorrow. What is Your comment?
A: Aha! That's really groovy. That's the only experience I have missed in my life. And knowing that this is my last life, I would certainly want to be arrested. Make sure that I am handcuffed, because whenever I do anything, I do it totally.
Arresting me, an absolutely innocent person who has done no wrong, is the beginning of the end of American hypocrisy about democracy. It will be a great help to the whole world to understand that America is not what it pretends to be. It is not following its Constitution. It has the best Constitution in the world, but the worst politicians also.
The politicians of America are prostituting the Constitution. They should stop calling it "Constitution," they should start calling it "prostitution."
I have been for three and a half years in isolation, in silence, just remaining in my room, no contact with sannyasins, and still I am a criminal. If I am a criminal, then nobody on this earth is innocent.
It is perfectly good; if they have guts they should arrest me and show their real faces to the world, show that democracy is just fake. America and the Soviet Union do not differ in any way. Perhaps the Soviet Union is more straightforward; it says what it does, it is not phony.
The Soviet Union may be doing all kinds of wrong things—it is—but it calls itself the dictatorship of the proletariat. America calls itself a democracy—a government by the people, of the people, for the people. Arresting me, they will destroy their own image in the whole world.
I am perfectly happy. I don't want to miss this opportunity. But why tomorrow?—because tomorrow never comes. It is better today. Arrest me today.
And arrest me as a criminal, handcuffed, so the whole world can see that this government is not for the people, of the people, by the people. That this government is, behind a mask of democracy, as dictatorial, as fascist as it can be.
But they should remember…. I inquired of a few of my sannyasins: they are all wanting to be voluntarily arrested, they want to be with me. So they should come with five thousand handcuffs. It is not going to be an easy thing. And we know how to make history. We don't read history, we make history. Five thousand sannyasins will offer themselves voluntarily to be arrested. And that will make what I say is the beginning of the end of American hypocrisy.
We are for the American Constitution, but not for American dirty politicians. We will fight for the Constitution against the politicians. I have tremendous respect and love for the Constitution. It has all the great values that humanity needs.
http://www.oshoworld.com/biography/innercontent.asp?FileName...

Sounds pretty Ron Paulian to me these words of Osho.

Your doubt about if GOP tent would ever be big enough for Osho is perfectly right as there is all the possibility that Osho/Bhagwan was poised by Reagan Administration. See book titled "Was Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Poisoned By Ronald Reagan'S America?": http://oshoworldgalleria.com/was-bhagwan-shree-rajneesh-pois...

In the back cover of this book the great Tom Robbins comments it:
"If crucifixion were still in vogue, of course Bhagwan would’ve been nailed up. But, since we’re civilized, they had to force him into exile instead. I’m sure they would have much preferred to crucify him on the White House lawn." (Tom Robbins)

You also have a nice weekend Michael and if you listen the interview even if it is long one it has lot of ideas how to breath fresh air into any closed-minded tent be it political, religious, moral, or whaever tent.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Michael Nystrom's picture

Wow. Thank you so much!

Incredible.

It is so incredible to go back and revisit this, now. I mentioned before I was just a youngster - 6th grade or so - when Osho was being arrested and persecuted in Oregon, when he was the Bhagwan. The local news made him out to be a monster. For the longest time I thought of him as a perverted weirdo.

The first little crack came when I discovered a book that belonged to my wife, Samantha by OSHO. I read it and thought it was awesome. And I wondered who this OSHO was - I'd never heard of him. And then I learned it was the former Bhagwan.

And then, it was though my conversations with you, and the book you recommended. Love, Freedom and Aloneness. I began reading that in Taiwan last fall. I still haven't finished it. But it is such a lovely book.

I will make time to listen to that. Ideas on how to breath fresh air into any closed-minded are what I need.

Thank you so much for those quotes! Already I feel excited.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Here is one of the key holes to revisit Rajneeshpuram, Oregon!

The following documentary is pretty okay as a starter to revisit Rajneeshpuram, Oregon.

http://www.opb.org/television/programs/oregonexperience/segm...

I would say that one of the key issues of Rajneeshpuram was Property Rights. Rajneesh/Bhagwan disciples bought this huge piece of land in Oregon and they wanted to transform it into something completely new and they were not allowed to do that.

This documentary is definitely worth watching for anybody who wants to revisit what happened in Oregon in 80's, but at the same time it is definitely not the whole truth at all. What happened in Oregon at that time is highly complex.

And here is one of the best books about Osho/Bhagwan I have ever read and it of course has also chapters about the events concerning Oregon:
http://www.enlightenedbeings.com/pdf/life_of_osho.pdf

This book is written by Sam who was a disciple of Osho. The name "Sam" is pseudonym that an English anarchist Chris Gray used when he penned this book. Here is the link:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jul/08/obituary-chris-...

Osho transformed my view about spirituality as radically as Ron Paul changed it about politics and economics. Well maybe Osho's views changed me even more radically as spirituality goes deeper than politics and economics into the essence of human existence.

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--