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Now THIS is inhumane!

And we wonder why America is in trouble. The doctor in this video looks so normal. I bet she'd be nice to you if you said "Hi" in Wal-mart, but inside, she's a cold-blooded killer. It's just like what the Nazis did--now you can comprehend how it could happen here.


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Birth control works both ways.

This is one of the reasons why birth control is condemned by the Catholic Church- the primary opponent of abortion and birth control.

It only expels the

It only expels the fertilization before implantation and cell division has occurred. At that time, it is a one felled organism. During this stage, most miscarriages also occur.

I admit I had to look that up.

What I found said that before implantation the embryo is called a blastocyst and consists of 70-100 cells.

http://courses.washington.edu/conj/bess/implantation/implant...

So it is a blastocyst before

So it is a blastocyst before it implants but an embryo after it implants. But it starts as a zygote which is the moment before it divides into multiple cells. I wonder at which point "the pill" would expel the fertilized egg. This is very interesting to me.

Yes!

I thought it was called an embryo as soon as the egg was fertilized. Good call. None the less, most people on the pro-life side seem to believe that life begins at fertilization.

I do.

Better to err on the safe side than risk killing a human individual.

I think it is called a zygote

I think it is called a zygote before it is implanted.

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In all fairness, I feel compelled to warn you, though,

In all fairness, I feel compelled to warn you, though, because:

although I never intended my 2nd question to be a tricky one, I remarked, after asking it dozens of times to various people, and to you here again, I have never heard any direct answer to it - to date.

Just thought you should know so you can allocate enough time for proper reflection about the answer - either way.

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Questions for you

Are you grateful to be alive and able to ask these clever questions?

I am no doctor or biologist, maybe one will answer you.

Now I have a 2nd question, more serious, my turn:

why, instead of doing family planning for materialistic reasons in 95% of the cases (and don't serve ME the b.s. that it wouldn't be true) ...

... yes, WHY NOT encouraging whichever policies or private initiatives and entreprises that enable people TO KEEP their wealth to let the babies be born and then raised, be they expected or not?

Ah yes, granted, I had to raise the bar in morality and reason.

Sorry about that.

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What the fuck?

I ask if people who buy and sell birth control pills are murderers and your response is, "I don't know, I'm not a doctor." That is a pathetic answer. It's like when Romney told everyone he didn't know how to interpret the constitution, and it was for lawyers to decide. It just means you don't care enough about the topic to research it and come up with your own opinion. Now let me answer your questions.

#1: Yes, I am happy to be alive. Although, considering that suicide is the number one cause of unnatural death in the US, I'm not sure what your point is. I am happy to be alive, so I should start calling pro-choice people murderers? Give me a break.

#2: It's not the government's job to encourage policies, private initiatives, or enterprises. And you can't force a woman to responsibly develop a baby. That's why abortion is legal. When you start calling people murderers for disagreeing when life begins (Even though you admit you have no fucking clue when life begins and you suggest I should ask a doctor)people ignore everything else you have to say because you seem insane to the average American. And you seem insane because what you're saying is insane.

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Sorry, but your answer to my question doesn't qualify

By the way, I'm sorry, but your answer to my question doesn't qualify.

Nowhere I mentioned using "force". Nowhere I mentioned using "government".

My question started with "Why not..."

I was hoping to hear about compelling reasons for not considering the alternative I proposed to your - cherished, observably - use of abortion.

The emphasis was thus on the principles, rather than on the "how" or the "what".

Did you ever look up this noun - "principles"?

I believe that'd be a good start.

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I think you should seek for psychological counselling.

I think you should seek for psychological counselling. Or psychiatric, I don't know.

I ignored your question about murderers, because I am not competent even less qualified to judge who is a murderer or who is not on the sole basis of what they sell - assuming people remain free to choose to buy it or not.

Nowhere I mentioned the government - "policies" is a general term and can be as easily defined and implemented by and for voluntary communities of people - of any size.

You are correct I do not know where life begins exactly. But you seem to have final knowledge about this, in the universe.

Good luck with your problems.

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Very disturbing

this is the country we live in. It makes me ashamed to live here.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I'm not particularly a fan of

I'm not particularly a fan of abortion, but I think we are straying somewhat. Ghostbuster might be overly vocal in support of abortion, but from what I remember of abortion, one of the reasons it passed was that laws were indeed incapable of preventing the abortions. There are quite some horror stories about how women went through illegal failed abortions as a result of anti abortion laws (often with death as the outcome) and it's these horror stories that eventually led to abortion being legal. Reasoning being that if you can't prevent it, atleast regulate it in order to control it.

Does this mean that abortions are OK? No, but it seems to me that people are getting too swept up in emotions, with little thought in what is actually practical and WORKS. In other words, SOLUTION BASED thinking.

The question to ask is what policy can best keep abortions (and the death of the mothers) to a minimum? It's certainly possible that current abortion laws are not efficient in that regard, but let's discuss that if that's actually the case.

Thanks for the downvotes

Thanks for the downvotes fellas. Glad that we could communicate in this manner. :)

Part of the problem is that the government is double-minded

where it comes to abortion. The 'conservatives' fought for the educational activities of 'crisis pregnancy centers' to be federally funded only after Planned (un)Parenthood had already begun indoctrinating on college and high school campuses. So regardless of the position you take, you will be paying in tax dollars to support your opponent.

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Well. talk about being rational

GhostBuster, you seem to have a few issues to deal with. And I don't mean just comparing live born babies with guns, seat-belts, drugs, or accidents, they are 'human beings' you know, just like you, with a right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, but in their case that is taken away from them.
Maybe just be thankful that your mother didn't share your views.

Take the time, watch the video, no it's not a 'shock' video, it's actually an interview with a nurse, and her condemnation of Obama, who obviously seems to share your sentiments..maybe for the same reasons.

Oh, and to answer your question, "how to stop abortions"; safe sex and responsibility might be a good start no, and responsibility for what action you take after you ignore the first two. Issuing birth and death certificates at the same time?..yes it's murder.
And the federal gov'ment has no place in it, let alone funding and promoting it.

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Stop acting like being pro-life makes you better than everyone

Being pro-choice doesn't make you a child hater, or a murderer, or a Nazi. It means that you don't want to throw people in jail for performing abortions. Even if abortion was illegal everywhere, it wouldn't stop abortions. They would continue. Don't call us murderers just because we don't want to throw people in jail for doing something your laws won't even be able to stop. Quit pretending you can stop abortion, you can't. It's impossible. And please stop calling us Nazis and murderers simply because we don't want to throw doctors and women in jail.

Is this personal to you? You sound as if you are suffering from

a guilty conscience.

I know that laws will not stop abortion. A woman can take herbs, or shoot herself in the stomach, etc. if she wants to kill her baby bad enough. If a woman wants to abort her baby she should be prepared to deal with the risks--this is the true libertarian position. Maybe if she has to think about the consequences (death or injury) from self-aborting, she would rethink her actions. God will hold her accountable for murder if she goes through with it though.

The murderers themselves (abortionists) should be outlawed. If they are found killing for hire, they should be executed by the law(after a jury finding them guilty of course).

(And by the way, abortion still isn't safe --the back alley has just moved into a clinic building. Mothers die and are severely injured every year by abortion.)

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

He purposely misread you, OBVIOUSLY!

"(M)urderers... should be executed by the law(after a jury finding them guilty of course). I read you clearly enough, but Ghostbuster wants to make it sound like you're advocating some kind of vigilante stance. What a weak post below, eh?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

It is personal

When you call pro-choice people murderers, you're making it personal. You're calling for the execution of doctors who perform a service. That's real pro-life. To me, telling women that outlawing abortion will make them less likely to intentionally give themselves a miscarriage because they could die is crazy statement. It's why some people only vote democrat. They just don't want to associate themselves with a party that tolerates the concept of throwing doctors in prison and telling women they must accept the consequences of intentional miscarriage if they want to abort their children. Calling doctors and women murderers for being pro-choice sounds absolutely insane to the average American. Most people will just tune out everything else you say to them. Which is unfortunate if you guys are trying to spread the message of liberty about other issues. What I find particularly amusing about the pro-life crowd is that they can't even agree amongst themselves as to when life begins. They just know they want to throw some doctors and women in prison. Hell, you guys have even talked about executing pro-choice doctors. That's so pro-life of you.

You know...we cannot prevent

You know...we cannot prevent murders of adults either. Maybe we should legalize all murder because we cannot prevent it.

Yeah well, hitmen are "providing a service" too. That doesn't

make them not guilty of murder.

There can be no 'message of liberty' when people don't even value the life of innocent human beings.

I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings to be associated with a murderer, but if you can defend this so-called doctor, that's exactly what you are.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Not exactly, but he's likely a contributer to its continuation

As an abortionist's lawyer wouldn't be a murderer, but a receiver of blood-money, eh?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Why care about your Nazi grief? Pro-life is better than death

When Nazi camps were liberated the neighboring towns people and captured Nazi camp enforcers, had to tour, on camera, the carnage that was found there. They didn't look so powerful and proud as they had been just days before their fall.

I suspect you would look and sound similar to those fallen Nazis, if you had to face the massive piles of infant bodies heaped up, wreaking the stench of an even greater number of innocent deaths than Hitler ever got away with.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

How about

"Nazi'ish" Will that do?

Too kind"ish"

I don't usually stomp on dissenting posts this hard, but do you think I've overstated anything when I cited Nazi prison camp exterminations to the judgement of those neighbors who made it possible, and the officers and guards who carried out their legal, but unlawful, policies.

Ghostbuster needs to tell us why his position is different than that of the Nazis, before he can tell us what NOT to call it.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

God, the abortion vs holocaust comparison is so obnoxious

There is no rational argument as to Jews being less than a person. People can make rational arguments about when life begins, even if you disagree with them. That's why the comparison of holocaust victims to aborted fetuses is considered ridiculous and offensive to most people.

Everyone can agree where death begins

Whether it was holocaust victims of all ages and races then, or the abortion/infanticide of all races of people now; dead body parts all look and smell the same.

I believe that if Planned Barrenhood supporters got to see, and breathe in deeply enough, the aftermath of the ritual sacrifices to their philosophy, the way that the Nazis, and their supporting neighbors, did after the liberation of the camps; there might be a few less obnoxious and pathetic defenders of government-sponsored deaths of the innocent.

The Nazi's neighbors were conscripted to help bury the dead in mass graves near each camp. At least with smaller bodies, the physical lifting of choicers would be lighter, per body; even if the shear mass of bodies far outweighs Hitler's efforts.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Everyone agrees when death begins?

If people can't agree when life begins, how can they agree when death begins. You make no sense.