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Homosexuals are Destroying Marriage in America?

Last night, someone emailed and asked me to write about the gay marriage case in Virginia. This morning, a woman from Wisconsin asked if I would blog about the gay marriage case in her state. A few readers in Utah have also requested that I chime in on the gay marriage fight there.

And so I was going to do just that. I sat down to type a scathing rant about gay marriage. I sat down to tell the world that gay marriage is the greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage.

But then I remembered this:

$129 DIVORCE

That’s a sign I saw on the side of the road a little while back. Divorce for sale! Only 129 dollars! Get ‘em while they’re hot!

And then I remembered an article I read last week about the new phenomenon of “divorce parties.” Divorced is the new single, the divorce party planner tells us.

Read more of Matt's article here...

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/02/04/ive-been-divorced-fou...

As an aside, I know the government has no business in marriage. But maybe if people would start being loving responsible human beings, the government wouldn't be able to manufacture reasons to trample our liberties.



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I have evidence, what do you have but bigotry?

I have scientific evidence. There are a couple leading hypotheses out there, both involving hormone levels during pregnancy. That is why gay men have brains wired more like women.

Very few gay men think it is a choice. Many have very painful childhoods because of it. You are the one repeating the rantings of anti-science preachers. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

And...even if it was a choice, it is no business of yours. You are an anti-freedom, big brother, communist.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I could give you evidence--if you really wanted it.

Your philosophy is much more in line with communism than mine. Read "Tortured for Christ" by Richard Wurmbrand.

And IF you'd have read the whole article instead of just ranting and raving, you would have seen that it was attacking Christians and those against homosexual marriage for their hypocrisy. Based on that fact you might even have liked it. :)

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Yes, I want evidence

You obviously have no idea what communism is.

I was replying to you and your stereotypical bigotry, not the article.

I looked up Wurmbrand - interesting guy. But, has nothing to do with your bigotry.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

If sexual human behavior is not a choice then

what logic supports any human behavior being a choice?

Is a thief born a thief? A murderer born a murderer? If people are born thieves and murderers then what is wrong with them stealing or killing ... it is the way they were born? What about drug or alcohol addicts? Why punish them if they are born the way they are? If everyone is simply born this way or that then there can be no such thing as personal responsibility because it can not possibly exist.

If the majority of society had not deemed homosexual behavior as bad would such justifications attempting to use science even exist? I doubt it. The issue does not revolve around choice, it revolves around bad. Because it has been deemed a bad choice, people have sought to justify it in other ways for a long time.

If you believe you are a woman but look down and discover you have a penis ... blame nature. It is pretty hypocritical to blame someone just because they point out you have a penis. Science also asserts penises have a reproductive function ... to enter a vagina and ejaculate.

I am no authority to lecture anyone on morality because ... I am not righteous ... nor do I emotionally need to justify any unrighteousness with bullshit. I do not see what gays get all worked up about because some religious hypocrites decree homosexuality to be bad.

We are talking about hypocrites here. We are talking about a nation of religious hypocrites that loves bombing brown people. We are talking about a nation of religious hypocrites that condones divorce and breaking up God's holy union. We are talking about a nation of religious hypocrites that loves money. We are talking about a nation of religious hypocrites that does not believe in forgiveness. We are talking about a nation of religious hypocrites that worships the state before God. The degree of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

In my opinion gays ought to just tell the religious hypocrites to follow some of their own Jesus advice by pulling any planks out of their own eyes before worrying about any specks that may be in the eyes of gays. Or, let he who has no sin cast the first stone ... which according to religious hypocrites that believe all fall short of the glory because all are sinners ... means there is no man who can cast the first stone. By all means, throw some of their self righteous bullshit back in their hypocritical faces.

Well, that was a screed of monumental stupidity.....

"what logic supports any human behavior being a choice?" -- Um.....exactly. Behavior is a choice, even if brief. We are not talking about behavior, we are talking about the stimulus, not the actions.

"Is a thief born a thief? A murderer born a murderer? If people are born thieves and murderers then what is wrong with them stealing or killing ..." --- It is called morality. No one is "born" a criminal. If they commit a crime they have infringed on another person's liberty. Engaging in consensual sex is not infringing on liberty.

"What about drug or alcohol addicts? Why punish them if they are born the way they are?" --- First, there is no such thing and an alcohol addict. Secondly, there is no such thing as a person born with a drug addiction. Some drugs, crack or heroine for instance, are physiologically addictive after a couple hits. That is based on brain and body biochemicals.

"If the majority of society had not deemed homosexual behavior as bad would such justifications attempting to use science even exist?" --- Ahh... Democracy. Mob rule. The majority of people deem following Ron Paul as dangerous and wrong. The USA is the most religious nation on the Earth - it is no wonder the "majority" want to determine how everyone has sex.

"If you believe you are a woman but look down and discover you have a penis ... blame nature." ---- Wow. First, gay men do not think they are women. Second, if it is "natural" then why deny it?

Let's skip to the skinny. When I see a naked woman, I get aroused. It is not a choice. Something inside my mind shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of experience makes things in my mind change and certain body parts change. A gay man, who has a different hormonal development as an fetus, reacts differently. That is not a choice. Why should your communist society you love so dear interfere with how a person is?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

RE:

"We are not talking about behavior, we are talking about the stimulus, not the actions."

Say what? So it is stimulus that society has deemed bad? Get the frack out of here ... you can't even debate your own argument with consistency.

Yes, let's skip to the skinny ... when up to 40% of men see a naked woman, they do not get aroused. It is not a choice. Something inside their mind shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of impotence experience makes things in their mind change and certain body parts to possess erectile dysfunction. If only erectile dysfunction was like that you might have an argument.

Guess what? Impotent husbandry, anal sex, or other sexual behavior has been criminalized at certain places and times. Let's not cry some song and dance just for gay people as if they are the only special flowers who have ever endured any sexual poop from society.

With regard to homosexuality, what society deems bad is not whether my dick gets hard looking at some hot transvestite hooker walking down main street. $hit happens, thy eyes can deceive. The moral demarcation line society has drawn on what constitutes immoral homosexuality is not being aroused it is acting upon being aroused. Society is no Jesus saying if you desire to bend that that hooker over you have already sinned whether you bend them over or not.

Same goes with drugs, theft, murder, etc. Society does not say if you are more inclined to perform any of those behaviors because some stimuli or environment then it is ok. They are deemed bad across the board. If your mom was a drug addict doing cocaine during pregnancy ... tough shit. It is still bad to do cocaine. If you were born with an Adolph Hitler complex ... tough shit. It is still bad to murder a bunch of people.

In any event, you probably fail to recognize how fatal something like erectile dysfunction is to your argument, which can be derived physically or psychologically. If someone can start out in life with no erection problems, acquire one, get rid of one, etc. it clearly demonstrates a pattern of change in stimulus which is going to torpedo any absolutist stimulus argument.

Hell, even the darwinists can no longer claim DNA just controls everything because more and more evidence indicates a cell is a network operating in an environment which are both factors that can influence DNA in a feedback loop.

Obviously any sarcasm about relying upon science for argumentation but passing blame to nature in the event physical evidence does not match up with ones belief was lost upon you.

Regarding the last sentence in your comment ... it reeks of monumental stupidity.

Sorry

Didn't realize you had a learning disability.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

At least it has been demonstrated

your intellect poses no threat to common sense.

'No gay man "decides" to be gay.'

Impotent men unaroused by women "decide" to do something about erectile dysfunction.

Get back to me when you at least pose a threat to common sense ...

They can decide to restrain their behavior

just as a people can restrain themselves from engaging in bestiality or incest.

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Most gays you know....

Most gays you know live on credit to be hip and trendy?

Isn't that an individual thing? A choice individuals make despite age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation and so on and so forth?

Some libertarians I know put people in groups and point fingers at groups saying such and such group does this that or the other thing.

Oh the irony.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Ouch! Hurt So Good....

That aint all they're destroying--pootie and the blowfish

Lighten Up

I'm just talkin' sh*t

yes

America straying from God is the cause of the destruction of marriage.
Homosexuality is just another symptom of that.
But yes governments or societies recognizing the bond of 2 homosexuals in marriage does further degrade it's value, and function.

In my opinion government involvement in marriage at all is huge problem.

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

Wrong

America is more religious now than 100 years ago. We are the most religious nation on earth and almost exclusively Christian. While the numbers of "none's" and atheists has grown the last twenty years, it is still nowhere close to other industrialized nations.

And, you haven't answered the question. You said "recognizing the bond of 2 homosexuals in marriage does further degrade it's value" -- but no explanation. How is the value degraded? It is still two people who promise to share everything from money to raising children, and take care of each other no matter what. How is that less valuable than two heterosexuals making the same promise?

I agree, government involvement is a problem. But, it is only the government that is allowing your religious bigotry. If "marriage" could be a simple contract filed with the state (as it should be), then there would be no issue with "gay marriage" - because there would be no law to stop it. You should be praising government involvement. Otherwise.....dum! dum! dum!.....there would be married gay people everywhere!! Lovingly raising orphans and buying houses and paying property taxes, the scum! - the Four Horsemen would be galloping right towards us!!

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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"America is more religious now than 100 years ago."
You do not know your history.

I'm sorry after that all I could hear is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

A few ways homosexuality period damages society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPN8Io_Wh_k

50 reasons. The guys annoying but mostly right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy3he6_wxBA

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

Just garbage

First, you accuse me of not knowing history - why don't you provide some references that make the claim there were more religious people in the US 100 years ago than now. You won't find any, because it is preposterous.

Second, I like Benny Hill and all, but obviously you don't have a retort or any actual reasoning. As usual, you bigots and anti-freedom god suckers never do.

The first 50 facts you so lazily posted were not facts at all - just assertions and some random assumptions. The guy in the last video is not only annoying - he is casting such a number of logical fallacies I couldn't keep up. Most of his stuff is associating one thing about one person to an entire group of people - none of which are reflected in any of the gay people I know.

No, you are caught up in propaganda very similar to the Nazi's and the Jews. You really should not be on a liberty site.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

There are a lot of reasons marriages fail

Money.
Infidelity.
Incompatibility.

But I don't know of a single instance when the existence of a gay couple, married or not, has ever caused a hetero couple to divorce.

I think that's the wrong question

Marriage was already on the ropes due to general cultural rot. The right question, IMHO, is how badly this additional blow will go towards accomplishing the knockout?

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Who cares about marriage?

Marriage is just another tool to keep individuals tied down to yet another myth which makes them easier to manipulate. State sanctioned marriage is about as necessary as state sanctioned poop.

Yup!

They are destroying what the word and definition of "Marriage" is. All they had to do was make up a word to describe their "union" other than Marriage and it would have been a much smoother path.

Hollywood and a fabricated

Hollywood and a fabricated culture of sex obsession and raising boys to be perpetual adolescents with no respect for their partners or their own moral compass is destroying marriage.

And they wonder why young people aren't getting married?

Lets see, I need to go to the government to sign a contract then have a ceremony that costs tons of money and is really awkward because both me and my lover have broken families that don't want to be around each other just to have some guy I don't know that probably represents a faith I don't believe in perform a ritual reaffirming what I already believe in my heart only to uphold some institution that can only been seen as a dismal shadow of what it once was in the short period of human history when it was about love and not some business deal between land owners and their kids.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Nope, people jumping in the

Nope, people jumping in the sack thinking that's what it takes to form a relationship is what is killing marriage. They figure "hey, they're a good lay, so that must mean it's love and will work." What aspect of marriage that should be destroyed is the governmental aspect. Then groups of people would have no right to force churches to marry them or cake bakers to bake them cakes, since it would be a private, religious function, which has the right to discriminate.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.