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How the GOP Can Attract Young People: Rand Paul and Glenn Beck



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SteveMT's picture

Young people are not going to be attracted to either of these 2.

Both Beck and Rand have been compromised by their previous actions/misadventures. Young people are generally not into politics anyway unless there's a draft OR unless there's an uncompromising idealist around willing to wake them up one-by-one, college campus-by-college campus, city-by-city, and state-by-state. The day Rand realizes that is the day that he truly becomes a threat to the status quo and the day that he will say "thanks dad" for showing me the way.

How can the GOP attract more

How can the GOP attract more young people?

By staying far away from people like Glenn Beck.

Most people under 30 think of Glenn Beck as, "That guy on FOX who licked Bush's balls in his thirst for more war."

But I understand why Rand did the interview...he can't win without the old people vote.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

wolfe's picture

roflmao...

I really have nothing to say...

That just made me laugh on so many levels.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

How the GOP can attract the young? That's easy....

Hire Ron Paul as Chairman of the RNC and kick Priebus to the curb.

The Ron Paul track record of college tour attendance proves that to be the truth.

BTW, Beck's a jackass.

Did Beck really just look at

Did Beck really just look at the camera and say he started changing his mind on the GOP in 2005? Now that is a lie. He was an active GOP Neocon cheerleader for McCain in 2008 and an active anti Ron Paul voice all through 2008 and 2012.

Absolutely correct economics31...Beck is a liar who (if Rand...

...ever DID get by the rotted GOP machine and be nominated), would turn on him the minute Rand said we should end ALL foreign aid - even to Israel.

I mean, Rand WOULD say that wouldn't he???

And if he didn't, then I don't care about him anyway. That would mean he's just another establishment GOP hypocrite hack.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

RAND PAUL

IS OUR BEST BET FOR ANY TRANSITION FROM TYRANNY TO A LIBERTY MINDED COUNTRY. HE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY POLITICS AND HE IS HIS FATHERS SON.

YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, ARE NOT REALISTIC ABOUT OUR RETURN TO LIBERTY AND WHAT THE TRANSITION WILL TAKE. YOU HURT THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR MOVEMENT, WHICH IS A RETURN TO LIBERTY.

IT WON'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE.

Lol! All caps.I agree with

Lol! All caps.

I agree with you though. But stop yelling at everyone!

Haha, sorry

I got carried away this morning.

YOU make me feel bad I am coming here!

When I see someone expressing so much HATE and using such strong words to express his hate for, in this case, Glenn Beck, I feel just very sad. I see in you the source of evil that will never aid in helping the country I used to love so much survive and get back on its "good old tracks".

If you only want to rely on people with whom you can agree 100% on EVERYTHING....you are losing the game my friend. It will never happen. Glenn Beck is a good man who has a lot to offer in terms of helping your country move away from the evil track it is on right now. Embrace his help will help, hating it will lead to defeat!

Glenn Beck has shown himself as a deceiver

and hypocrite on more than one occassion. What Glenn Beck has done over the last decade is lie and express half truths in order to reinforce MSM and keep himself employed. If he was not a MSM darling most politicians would not even speak to him.

And calling a rat, a rat, is not hate. It's just calling the kettle black.

Great statement MRMIKE...I couldn't agree more...

Especially this statement you made...

"and calling a rat, a rat, is not hate. It's just calling the kettle black."

RIGHT!

THAT'S what I'm saying. Glenn Beck is not to be trusted and RAND is smearing the memory of his father by associating with that rat.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

A better way.

"Some of the best stuff from the Republicans and the Democrats and have a different way"..
Status Quo v2.1.

The one thing everyone, but 'everyone' agrees on:
'You can't have a 3rd party, it just won't work'.

Well you know what, if there was a 3rd party run with the 'right' candidate, in this current 'corrupt' political climate, and the status quo/media started their time honored tactics, there would be blow-back on a scale never imagined before.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I get the Beck cynicism, but

I mean if he backtracks once the elections start there is no way even the stupid conservatives who follow the blaze can take him seriously.

I mean, it says Rand Paul 2016. Beck is not an issue. Hes on board.
Some people just see Rand differently then they saw Ron, and honestly everyone thinks Rand is such a pragmatist, hes not compared to some of the leadership in DC. Hes just a pragmatist compared to his father, which is as much as we can ask for. just enough to get the job done and keep enlightening people on liberty.

anyone who is not on the Rand train, will be hit by that train...i hear Alex Jones needs reporters.

Glenn Beck??? ... I'll say this again...Beck is a lying, rat...

...Neo-Con, War-mongering, Arab-hating, establishment GOP, Ron Paul-hater who is not to be trusted.

Let us not forget that Beck was instrumental in derailing Dr. Paul's campaigns - both of them.

He's a backstabbing shyster who Rand shuld stayaway from in respect for his father.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I agree.

I agree.

Glenn Beck???

...THAT A-hole???

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I'm about done voting any longer.

But I will vote for Rand if he runs. He is most likely the best chance at even sane government reform any time soon at least in my lifetime.

At some point the economic system will experience a reset and there is no guarantee we don't end up with an even more criminal class than exists today. That's reality. While I would prefer a near anarchist society at this point with the least number of people having a monopoly on force, most people I know don't want true limited government and it's become a religious belief that government 'helps people' and so on. Good luck fighting that until people can experience first-hand government destroying their life and livelyhood.

For the sake of my 4 young children, i'll be voting for Rand if he runs for Pres. While many here rag on him, he is playing politics and he's very good at it. I truly believe his motives are genuine. The apple rarely falls far from the tree. I supported Ron, and i'll be supporting Rand.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

While I'm not "on board" with either Rand or Beck

I thought this little snippet of conversation was interesting.

I think the old argument that "it is too hard" for third parties is outdated. There hasn't been a third party candidate in the internet era.

We haven't taken all this technology out for a spin to see what it can really do for someone outside the system, and that is what this technology is for. It is called disruptive technology for a reason. It can be used to disrupt the two party system.

I'm not just sayin'. I'm thinkin'. The hard part is finding a credible candidate that could run on a third party ticket.

He's the man.

Murdoch leaked his "American Candidate" idea to Drudge in 2002

I remember reading this special report when Matt released this bomb in September of 2002. It lays out plans for one of the most innovative "third party" candidacies in history. The show was being designed to run neck-to-neck with the 2004 presidential elections. Its final winning candidate was to be put on the official ballot.

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2002/09/22/20020922...

American Idol was the hottest phenomenon on TV at the time having debuted four months earlier. If you remember it became the crown jewel of Rupert Murdoch's Fox Network.

A few years before, Murdoch had been entangled with the FCC over the legality of the Australian and his Australian-based corporation of owning Fox and his appetite for buying other key U.S. media acquisitions.

In the months and years after this news release was leaked on the Drudge Report (and never heard of again, as far as I know), Murdoch was able to purchase Direct TV, Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, MySpace and many more media "plums". By then, he seemed to encounter little government interference as he ripped through this buying spree in 2003 through 2006.

Ventura, aka "the mind".

Ventura, aka "the mind".

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He's definitely the closest.

He can take control, act like a boss and hold his own in any argument. He's got executive experience, and he knows how to win a guerrilla campaign. He appeals to the common man, and as "the mind" I think could appeal to more.

In a three way race, you only need 34% to win, and I'm sure he could get enough crossovers / independents / apathetic / dropouts / deadbeats / etc. to turn out and vote for him.

But he comes with his own baggage. And running a presidential campaign is a huge operation. You need talent, skill, organization in addition to the candidate.

It would have to be a perfect storm: Someone who can speak to and motivate people from across the spectrum.

I would love to see it. I would love to be involved in it. The first true internet based distributed presidential candidacy. I'm keeping my eyes peeled.

He's the man.

We elected Ventura in

We elected Ventura in Minnesota. It was a great feeling! In my opinion, he did what he said he was going to do. Whether what he did was the right thing is questionable. Perhaps with a few good advisors he could be a good leader.

I would be on boarded with Jesse but if he were to run he needs to get serious. Howard Stern as his running mate? C'mon.

Michael Nystrom's picture

If he chose Howard Stern as his running mate

I wouldn't waste any time with him. It would show he wasn't serious about winning.

The other way to do it would be to build a formidable third party machinery, and then use it to find a credible candidate. Someone who's both competent, and really wants to win.

He's the man.

Ventura is good at speaking

Ventura is good at speaking in simplistic memes that boil down the point; Memes are good for the average frustrated person that lacks the ability to think outside the box.

With Howard Stern I think you make a good point about people taking it serious, however I think it is double edged sword. 3rd party candidates have trouble getting attention, and with Stern, there is much more exposure to be had. Yes, it is a long shot without a perfect storm, but it seems like if there ever was one, it might be in 2016.

In 2016 there is no incumbent. Hillary Clinton's popularity is no where near the portrayal painted by the media. The best hope for the GOP in a national election was Chris Crispy Creme, but I doubt it after he has been convicted of being a mean bully by the media. One should never underestimate the superficial general public's willingness to shy a way from an obese man that might well drop dead in office. I like Rand Paul, but I don't love him, and despite the deepest wishes of many here at the DP, I do not think he is electable in a general election.

The only way Rand might get non-republicans to vote for him is going to be to piss off the average statist republican with talk of marijuana legalization, and defense cuts. Good luck to him, but I think the reinforcing positive views of Rand on the DP, might be leading some to think his chances are better than they are. Poor people thought Romney was going to take away their food stamps, and that is what they will think about Rand as well.

I don't think the GOP has a viable party platform at all anymore, at least not on a national level. It is looking like another President Clinton, absent a viable 3rd party alternative.

Would you suggest the LP?

Would you suggest the LP? They seem to garner more support, money, and organization than the other third parties. But who would be reputable? Wasn't GJ reputable? Yet he only got 2% of the vote. I still think it would be best to infiltrate the two party duopoly and vote in some more liberty candidates. Once we get a handle in the house and senate and get some bills passed in our way then maybe the 3rd party options will be viable. We have a lot of BS to wade through but it can be done...and we're doing it.

My pick

would be Gary Johnson. He attracts the youth. He is a likable guy with a sense of humor. Lines up well with Ron Paul, in fact he called himself in 2012 a Ron Paul revolutionary. Would be a good crossover candidate as well.

Man, that guy is busy

He's on Beck, meeting with Holder, visiting George P. Bush, suing the President, bashing the Clintons, endorsing McConnell, getting slandered by CNN..

lie like they are doing. beck

lie like they are doing. beck and rand can go jump off a cliff.

Ron Paul 2016

Insightful criticism, thanks so much

/sarc

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."