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I would like your input on my initiative measure

I have set up a website http://ndoath.com

I think that if I can get this measure on the ballot here and maybe other states could do the same.

That this could be one great big thing that could save our state if not our country.

I want to keep it simple so as not to get bogged down with controversy. Or give ammo for those to oppose it.

But this is to put all our elected officials and governments city, county, state, and country. back in our "We the People" control.

For if they do not follow there oath there would be a penalty.

This as you notice would also replace the missing 13th Amendment to the Constitution for the united States of America. at least in the states that can get something like this passed.

What are your opinions. and comments.
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Come on, seriously?

You want to be able to remove public officials from office for not following their oaths and then make the penalty include 10 000 pieces of silver and the potential for execution. WTF? This is self defeating and will be used more for witch hunts than just getting oath breakers removed. Secondly, no clause for conscientious objectors or representatives that don't want to swear an oath at all? What if the constitution changes for the worst and you have an individual who is willing to stand against those changes? I think you've put as much thought into this law as people in washington do in theirs. Go back to the drawing board.

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If you want to be a servant of the people then you have to listen to them and follow what they have. It has nothing to do with conscientious objectors or reps that don't want to swear an oath at all. If you do not then don't take the job. Very simple.

If you want to change things then change the Constitution by a vote of the people.

Just because most people do not know the full history and believe what others are telling them. Do you realize that the amendments to the constitution after the 12 are not included in the original constitution. For our government has not been in session since it adjourned in 186?. The congress of the US is a corporate body not a constitutional body. There was a 13 that was ratified but is not there any more. Do you realize that there are 9 constitutions using united states in them? The one that every one uses now most was Feb. 21 1871 under the Corp. United States done under England which is the district of Columbia. Go look at the markers surrounding the border if you do not believe me.

We are all kings and Queens in this country under the original Constitution. Now if you believe other wise your a slave and they tell you what to do and you jump and pay taxes and pay traffic fines because you believe that is the law. Your wrong!

The congress and the senate can not make laws on us without our vote they are delegates. Servants.

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May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim

So if you understand the

So if you understand the jurisdictional issues you just described, why are you interested in adding another "law" into their already bloated book of laws? They don't represent you or me since at least the civil war. Plus there is already Title 42 section 1983 action that can be taken against a public official who violates their oath of office. I understand your desire to hold them accountable but they are not accountable to you and I so we cannot be the ones to hold them accountable.

It is also not necessarily their duty to "listen to the people", even when the organic constitution was still in effect. This country was never a democracy. How can one person represent the will of 20,000 people who don't agree? It is their duty, however, to protect our natural rights and to support and defend the constitution. Alas, they failed miserably on both counts.

I wouldn't doubt what your saying here

but that wasn't quite my point. My point was that if you want to garner support for your law, the punishment for breaking the law should match the crime. And having execution on the table will remove support for it and -if it was put in use-probably get a bunch of scape goats killed.

ok

you may be right that people may be scared. But I had that would be if there actions had kill some one else. For the most part would be covered in other laws. Maybe I am wishing for to much there.

Thanks
May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim

Creditors call the shots.

US Congress has incurred a $17 trillion dollar debt that pays billions annually in interest.

Congress want to borrow more so they kowtow to creditors.

We the people get stuck with the bill.

In 1835, Jackson retired the United States foreign debts.

Americans went from four people owing a copper cent to one person owing 2 US silver dollars by 1855, to over 60 US Silver dollars by 1865.

Today each Censused American owes about 50 ounces of gold.

A free nation is born when debt free.

Free includes debt-free!

only if you let them step on you and you do not know the true

law. Like I said before if you exercise your true right you are a King or Queen and they can not take anything of yours. You have to understand who you are and not what you are led to believe.

Thanks
May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim

What if the federal and state

What if the federal and state constitutions conflict? Does it prohibit religious oaths?
I will read it again. It is an interesting question; should there be a penalty for violating the constitution, as an elected person?

State Constitutions can not conflict with one another

All the state constitutions have in them that the Supreme law is the Constitution for the united States of America.

Now the Corp state of constitution may be conflicting. But that is another whole topic.

Thanks
May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim

What if the state

What if the state constitution is nullifying something Federal?

the state can over ride federal law but not the constition

In the constitution states have more power infact the the greatest power is the county corner then the sheriff. the sheriff can stop all federal from entering the county can stop all state from entering the county. The Corner is the highest authority of the We The People. He is the only one to pronounce some one dead. He is the Chief police commissioner.

Thanks
May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim

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Not to nitpick...

But I would start by spelling poll correctly...

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thanks missed it

and changed it

Thanks
May GOD Bless each and everyone.
I pray that God may see that Ron Paul will not be hurt or wounded, that he may become our next full two term President of the united States of America!
Tim