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State Senator in New York Proposes Requiring Parents To Take Parenting Classes From Government

The State mandated parental reeducation camps classes, proposed by Democrat Senator Ruben Diaz, would be prerequisite to your child advancing to the next grade. Under the bill, employers would also be required to provide a paid day of leave in order for parents to attend the government instruction.


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deacon's picture

NICE

The gov wants to show the people how to do it wrong the first time
This will save us all time,No more muddling through,and maybe get something right
SHOOT FOR THE BOTTOM..SHOOT FOR THE BOTTOM!!!
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setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

So our children are communal property?

These people have no understanding of the difference between rights and privilege. Having children is a right and not a privilege. I imagine these same people feel we all have a right to seek an abortion without special license but I doubt they see any flaws in their own logic...

I own a fishing license because it then allows for me to take fish I do not own and do not have rights to, from water I do not own and also do not have rights to. Clearly the people being interviewed in this video don't understand the difference between rights and privilege.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Children are not FISH.

Thank you for finding such a succinct way to explain the invalidity of the comment in that video about fishing licenses that supposedly would justify such a mandatory program as this.

It's a PERFECT, PITHY ARGUMENT for New Yorkers to include in calls and e-mails to their Assemblymen, State Senators, and the governor.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

THROW THE BUM OUT---

I cannot believe we have such control freaks in our government.

I have mixed feelings

That the children won't pass 6th grade without their parents first finishing participating in this course, is retarded and wrong. That should be illegal.

But @ 1:52, when the lady interviewed says "there's some really bad parents [out there]," that is totally 100% true. Some parents are literally complete failures at raising children.

If the government is going to inject itself into parenting, it shouldn't be the forcing of parents to participate in "its" idea of parenting. The government should be as unobtrusive as possible, such as pamphlets with some parenting tips, suggestions, etc. Or some kind of voluntary courses with presentations of different parenting ideas, tips, suggestions. In my opinion, that isn't a bad thing. But the way the government is presently going about it, by force, definitely is wrong.

So then don't say you have mixed feelings about *the bill*.

The bill that is at issue here *is* mandatory.

I know there are those here who would be flat against the idea of even some sort of voluntary course or information. Like you, I'm not. But there, I myself do have mixed emotions. I mean, are they going to let *me* write the parenting tips, me being the perfect parent! (Joke) Well, while that *was* a joke, part of my reservations here does regard *who* would be doing the writing. If it would be the same irresponsible, misguided EdPhD's who provide (so-called) teacher education, I can assure you it wouldn't reflect how I, for one, think children should be raised.

And as this is likely to end up a "public-private partnership" (PPP), even IF (imho) there was good information to parents, is it going to be part of some package with...
~ cents-off coupons for fast food places serving some sort of processed meat product from, perhaps, animals fed GMO feed, given antibiotics to mask filthy living conditions, and who were slaughtered in tortuous ways or breakfast cereal made with genetically-modified corn sprayed with copious amounts of toxic pesticides and herbicides and high-fructose-corn syrup?
~ advertisements for tv shows, movies, and computer games?

I don't know the answer. But I do share your concern.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Yes, I am opposed to the bill.

I think that it is retarded and should be illegal.

Wait. First They Steal Your Kids, Then They Steal The Parents?

First, state "schooling" IS MANDATORY. If you do not "enroll" your child in this program, they will fine you and even jail you.

So your kid is basically being forced into a camp 5 days of the week. And neither you or your child have any say so on whether that occurs or not. "Free country?"

Second, after they kidnap your child, they require EXTORTION PAYMENTS of the parents, in the form of "parent classes." The fine of non-compliance? A threat of poor treatment in the kidnapping camp where they hold your child 5 days of the week.

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I do not feel we are "as a whole.... educated."

In fact, I feel like we are all pretty stupid for letting this depth of invasion occur on a daily basis to us and our kids.

I usually would not bother contacting any NY politician but

This is actually ridiculous even by New York standards. I have mailed out a note to the state senator representing my district to ask where he stands on this. I don't think the people in my part of the city are going to tolerate this. If you look at the the districts of the sponsor of the bill plus the two co-sponsors, you will see right away how they are never going to get voted out of office for their stand on this … Diaz has a large district covering most of the poorest parts of the Bronx, and the other two represent Washington Heights and an impoverished neighborhood in Brooklyn. Basically, areas with the crappiest schools in the city, etc. These politicians and their constituents probably truly believe this would be a good thing, based upon their myopic view that they can only see life from the perspective of their messed up communities.

This kind of reminds me of the jerk from New Jersey back in the 1980s in Congress (maybe it was Lautenberg?) who argued against lifting the national 55MPH speed limit. Not saying the education law is fair even for the Bronx though. I mean really, they are going to punish the kids of irresponsible parents by holding them back based upon their parent's actions?

I hope *all other New Yorkers* will contact their rep's, too.

FYI, here's CONTACT INFORMATION for the NYS Assembly, NYS Senate, and Governor Cuomo:

http://www.dailypaul.com/312968/state-senator-in-new-york-pr...

You make a good point about the areas which the sponsoring/co-sponsoring Assemblymen represent. The situation re urban schools in certain impoverished areas is a travesty - from the immediate consequences to long-term impact of SERIOUSLY POOR education. But, instead of dealing with the root cause, all they're going to ever do is look for Band-Aids to stop the gushing blood... and look like they're being heroic. They'd otherwise need to admit WHO is responsible for the state of today's education, in decline since the 60's: our education system is now within the purview of THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

“The people that are truly offended by [this bill]

are probably the ones that need it the most.”

Wow, way to end the segment with one of the best examples of Democracy (tyranny of the majority) I've heard in a while.

Maybe a bill needs to be introduced that requires government officials to take 4 classes on the Constitution before they can hold office, preferably instructed by Andrew Napolitano, Tom Woods, Mike Church and Michael Badnarik.

What?!!

Only 4?!!! I'd say at least 3 months worth and even then they'd have to pass a written test (in English) on the Constitution...
And unlike the way they pass laws, they can't pass the test before they find out what the Constitution actually says.

The Constitution is actually pretty easy to understand

in a few hours when taught properly. If you're studying longer than that you're probably looking for lope-holes to circumvent. E.g. Our current president that claims to be a constitutional law professor.

A lot here seem to despise Michele Bachmann

While I don't share all her views, she felt strongly about Congress knowing the Constitution, too.

I love the idea of courses on the CONSTITUTION being part of the "orientation program" for new Congressmen and Senators. Really, let's see what the program currently entails and *get* someone to introduce such a bill!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I think you read Michael Badnarik as Michele Bachmann

He might be offended.

Thats the perfect list of scholars too

Start the petition!

Hell: make it a Constitutional Amendment. And in the same Amendment we hold them accountable to what they learn.

Gives new teeth to the Oath of Office they openly mock now.

While we're at it, another Amendment to teach the same course to every kid in the country before they can move on in grade AND in the same Amendment absolutely limit Federal involvement in education to just that, and only that.

ps: and the course *has* to be written by Badnarik, Napolitano, Church and Woods. That's part of the deal, non negotiable.

... well if you slid Edwin Vierra in there also I would not have a problem with that honestly ...

All the control freaks need

All the control freaks need their own planet to live on to battle it out with each other.

Because gov't knows much

Because gov't knows much better than parents what is good for children. Just look at the success of their public schools. Just look at the success of foster care, where kids are 6x more likely to be abused, molested, raped, or die than they are in their family home.

Let's require politicians take a governing class from parents

What BS! And why many parents would gladly hand the state this power over them and their children is beyond me.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Cyril's picture

LMAO ! Good one !

LMAO ! Good one !

Hmm... I'm thinking... What would be an appropriate, terse response?

Let's see...

...

Ah ah! Woohoo! Ah ah! I've found one! Yup! :^)

...

" SUCK IT ! "

...

(with *smooches*)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Gee - it's been a while since I wrote any legislation...

Nobody seems to hate me, and my name is never mentioned on the news.

I THINK I'LL WRITE A BILL!

It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. Also there's pandas.

"Anyone who thinks you can't create something out of nothing never dated a drama queen."

-me

Cyril's picture

Sorry, Chris, I hate to break it to you but...

Sorry, Chris, I hate to break it to you but... I'm afraid that your chances to get anywhere close to that ballpark of despicability of theirs are... really, really low, if not downright zero.

You should have started training in offices several decades ago, man!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I was trying to write in the voice of this senator critter...

nothing I write could be as awful as this bill - except maybe this http://www.dailypaul.com/311514/iphone-taser-app-raises-ques...

It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. Also there's pandas.

"Anyone who thinks you can't create something out of nothing never dated a drama queen."

-me

We have the same proposal in Louisiana

That's why my wife I would not let our children attend government schools. The sheeple think this is a good idea. It's almost as good as the TSA and the Patriot Act!

Deo Vindice

Whether New York or Louisiana, I doubt parents of

children in private schools or homeschooled would be exempt.

I think it's wise on your part not to have your children in public school. (I think it's most important during children's younger, more impressionable years.)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

It Never Ends

..Does it?
check this one out:
http://www.dailypaul.com/312846/fallsburg-ny-teachers-doing-...
Probably the "instructors" they have in mind.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Can you imagine

Criminal Gov. Edwin Edwards giving a parenting class?

You get the government you deserve

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A signature used to be here!

I Hope New York State Government Passes This Law

Yes, I do. I want to see how far the State can push New Yorkers. What is the state going to do, break into homes and lock up the parents or take away the children?

If this statute is enacted it will be a watershed event, one that will finally test the will of the people. Let's encourage these sociopaths in Albany to do it. Go ahead legislature, go ahead governor, sign the bill.

New Yorkers need to finally wake up and realize how insane socialism is in the Empire State. I dare them to do it. The politicos don't believe what is happening in Venezuela or in the Ukraine can happen in America.

We need them to go this far so the people can prick the boil of despotism and free the waters of liberty.

In Upstate, I would agree

In Upstate, I would agree that this nonsense would in fact be the tipping point. As it stands, those in the more rural sections of NY have just about taken all that they are going take. When it happens, I would expect there to be a cascading effect, with enough left over for which to rehydrate the tree.