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Why California splitting into 6 separate states is a terrible idea!

Do you really want 12 more progressive pieces of garbage in the Senate??
This is the democrats plan to retake the Senate in 2016!

Texas should split into 10 states if that happens!



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I agree with you

People already have local representation. LOL

City government, County government, State government, Fed government, World government just what we need more government gee what a great idea, not.

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I believe

North orange county is a GREAT place to draw the line. Most definitely would be a "conservative" state.

Who's paying for the

Who's paying for the promotion of it? Where does that money come from?

.. an AWESOME idea!

Pushing things to a more local level is imparitive to accountable government .. if there ever could be that ideal.

In fact, having CA become six states could better fit a future USA that morphs into four to twelve republics possibly, peacefully. (somewhat like the USSR splitup.

In fact, what we see in the Ukraine might have been avoided IF it had split into two republics ten years ago ... just saying.

you'd have several conservative areas.

You'd have from the Oregon Border all the way down to YubaCity/Marysville/Roseville be fairly conservative/libertarian. that's what I consider northern ca. I live in Chico and this town is relatively conservative, there are many libs taking over the local city councils and what not, but the majority of people outside of the city in the county are farmers, workers, inventors, home-builders and almost everyone here buys guns when they get an extra $500 bucks. I know people who live in next to nothing and have their own gardens, pigs, cows on some rural property and have 5000-10000 rounds of AMMO, six month food stores, etc. Lots of preppers.

Redding is highly conservative/redneck and has a population of over 100k. The outlying areas are also very conservative. Another 100k people in Shasta county outside of the main city of redding.

RedBluff/Corning/Cottonwood/Vina/los molinos is heavily conservative, another 50-80k people.

Chico still has a majority of people who are conservative and the city has about $80-100k people

Oroville is conservative and has around 60k people. The outlying mountainous areas include Paradise (30k), Magalia (10k) and the remaining mountain communities have the local environmental health departments so scared of residents they won't even go out to final well permits and leave those with unpermitted structures alone in fear of getting shot or wandering onto a pot garden.

The remaining unincorporated areas of butte county have over 100k people which is around 70% conservative.

So you'd most likely have a state of jefferson with around 300-400k people or so with lots of water, arable land, gold, silver etc. There are many local tea parties, especially in the redding area and some people I know up there already joined state militia's.

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Let me tell you why I believe

Let me tell you why I believe this is a great idea . Because currently most Californians have little access or oversight of state government. Our capital, Sacramento is like an island in the middle of nowhere. If you had an inkling to become involved in state politics or take some peripheral action it requires traveling many hours. Moreover, the state funds county programs but has little oversight and control over such programs such as IHHS and CPS. The counties get tons of money, do what they want, show little to no efficacy toward their mandates and then just ask for more money to be shoveled over. The state is so far removed from the counties and municipalities it has no idea what needs and concerns residents have. The legislature is impotent in reigning in the many bureaus, if it even had the inclination to do so. Breaking up the power structure and bringing control closer to residents would be a positive step.

I think the only 2

I think the only 2 progressive states would be LA and San Fran. the rest of the States would be Conservative I think.

Two Points

1. Decentralization of power is always a good thing.

2. Why do you assume that the 6 new states would all have the same politics as the present state of California? The fact that many parts of California object to the majority's leftism is precisely the motive behind secession.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I lived in San Diego, I never

I lived in San Diego, I never knew any place to be conservative in the state...

In San Diego also

Although I live in Northern San Diego County. Look at the congressional districts in the area. Pretty conservative around the outskirts of the city. Although it seems border cities often lean right.

I live in San Diego now.

I live in San Diego now. We just elected a Repub mayor.
I also lived in several rural Ca cities/towns.
Think cowboys and rodeos, and they hate Obama.
At least 2 of the proposed states would be solid Red.
At least 2 would be solid Blue.
The other 2 would be Purple.
I very much will be campaigning for this measure if it makes the ballot.
Although I'd prefer a succession and you know you would too :P

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I upvoted even though I don't agree with you as I am glad to see

this conversation. :)

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Northern CA ie State of Jefferson

is very conservative, so is the the Sierra foothills. You guys don't know jack about CA. This will start a brushfire that will sweep the FEDs, out of the west and restore our republic. "Whiskey is for Drinking, Water is for Fighting!" Mark Twain

Water a Major Export

Water is a major export. In fact, the conservative proposed states almost all have water (think the Sierras).

Another export is probably marijuana. Their tax rates are lower, too.

Some of them have gold. Lumber. Agriculture, too.

They tend to have smaller populations, and with "Top Two" have lost any hope of regaining clout in Sacramento.

It would be interesting to shed the bulk of the current state's massive regulations, unions, and other burdens.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

The senators would actually

The senators would actually probably go 6 and 6. Northern California is very conservative. The liberal parts would, however, probably get more congresspeople because they have all the population, but that's nothing new.

If Northern California is

If Northern California is very conservative, then why is the Democratic State Headquarters located in Sacramento, CA?

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because it's the capital

because it's the capital

Plan to split California into six states gains ground

Front page of the Drudge Report, second story down.

http://news.yahoo.com/plan-split-california-six-states-gains...

Los Angeles (United States) (AFP) - A plan to divide California into six separate US states is closer to making it on to a November ballot, with organizers gaining approval to collect signatures.

The seemingly far-fetched initiative, sponsored by Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper, claims "political representation of California's diverse population and economies has rendered the state nearly ungovernable."

---------- Full article linked above.

'Nearly ungovernable?'

Democrats have a Supermajority in California. The State Assembly is dominated by democrats.

Maybe that's why the State of CA is, 'nearly ungovernable.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/us/politics/for-california...

Tim Draper is supposedly an, 'ardent republican,' but if you read this article from 2008...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10079225-38.html

He supported Obama.

Apparently 6 years of, "change," has led Draper to his latest 6 State initiative.

Does he not understand and realize how splitting California into 6 new States will only amplify America's problems by giving democrats more State representation?

Tim Draper is a smart man, but he's politically inept.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/12/tim-drapers-sil...

What would the new 6 States look like in the, "former," People's Republic of California?

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2013/12/20/2...

Communism X 6 = 10 new communists in the Senate, more electoral votes for democrats, and many more communist State representatives in the House.

Joe McCarthy was right. Communists have infiltrated our government to its very core, and the proof is in America's 2014 government pudding.

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emptyeternity is exactly

emptyeternity is exactly right.

The end result is MORE "progressive," representation in Congress.

If CA splits into 6 States, democrats automatically gain more representation in the House and Senate by default.

For each new state comes 2 new Senators, and a varying amount of new State Representatives based on population.

It is of my opinion that IF the State of California splits in 6 separate (but equal...pun intended) States, democrats will have a, "Supermajority," in Congress.

One also has to consider the ELECTORAL VOTES from these new potential States.

The idea may seem a bit crazy, but Obama and his entire administration is stuck on crazy, so such a thing would not surprise me.

The issue is, "gaining steam," in California. Gee, I wonder why?

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um..

Democrat Congressmen unlikely to increase as the population and ratios remain the same.
Senators would go from 2 Dem to 6 Dem and 6 Repub.
Senate is a net gain.

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

"According to the proposal,

counties would have a grace period after the division to vote to join another neighboring California state." So if enough counties jump ship to the same new state, you could have the ridiculous situation where 5 'states' (5 former counties) are saddled with 5/6 of the current California debt.

incorrect. the debt is

incorrect. the debt is evenly divided by population. it doesn't matter how you slice it, each person in CA would have the same share of hte state debt load.

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If divided at all

It should be divided in half.

south + coast, and rural +

south + coast, and rural + north.

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What a great point to be

What a great point to be made!

Reminds me of the, "former," Soviet Union and all of their satellite states.

Instead of 1 vote at the UN, the Russians now have many.

Excellent post, emptyeternity.

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Russians?

WTF kind of ignorance is that.

Ever heard of Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijani, Uzbeks....need I go on?

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Thanks for mentioning these

Thanks for mentioning these Soviet satellite states!!, please don't take what I said as being ignorant. It is a strategy being used by Russia.

I think it is ignorant to think that the Soviets don't have a very heavy influence upon those states above.

They broke away from mother Russia. Sure they did.

Just like the United States broke away from England.

Right.

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as I understand it

most of the state is conservative, but los angelies and sanfransisco and a couple of the other big cities that are marked off to be in the same new smaller state have the population to vote communist views on everything.

I wish this was true, but

I wish this was true, but it's not.

Democrats have a, "Supermajority," in California.

Over 2/3rds of the state is represented by democrats.

The California Democratic Party is based in Sacramento.

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That would be due to gerrymandering

That would be due to gerrymandering, not actual population, yet.

"You only live free if your willing to die free."