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How serious are you about liberty?

If I posed the question - Are you willing to fight for liberty? - most would respond without pause - "Yes" - with the knowledge that death is a probable consequence - aka the ultimate sacrifice. This would suggest seriousness regarding freedom.

However, what if I asked a question where an affirmative answer did not include the immediate possibility of death? What if I asked the question - Are you willing to quit paying taxes?

Fear is the food of tyrants.

As I watch the world turn, I have noticed that people are more apt to take up arms and kill people - many times fellow countrymen - much quicker than they are to withdraw their participation in the finance of their oppressors. To me, this is backwards.

The first step of any movement to resist a state should be to quit financing it. Do you hold that violent resistance should be resorted to first?

Are you willing to quit paying your taxes?

How serious are you about liberty, really?

Or, do you still have faith in the political process?


Recommended reading:

The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude by Etienne De La Boetie (Audio Book)

No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner (Audio Book)

Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard (Short Read)

Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau (Short Read)

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If there were a mass movement

If there were a mass movement to stop paying, we'd be getting somewhere.

Less tax money doesn't restrict the govt. They can create all the new money they want. The point is to take wealth from citizens so citizens can't use it. They're terrified of any significant economic activity in the hands of lots of small to medium businesses, or as a consequence significant personal power and freedom among many people, because they would lose control of people who start becoming free. So they take away as much wealth as they can that's left over after citizens pay basic living expenses, ensuring that the economy will never rise out of their control.

So not paying taxes doesn't restrict the control freaks one bit, but it does help citizens move towards becoming free.

The wealth and average standard of living that could be created (and kept) today by halting all income taxes would be off the charts, blowing away anything that was done in the past couple centuries. At some point that is bound to happen, as soon as people stop giving away all their wealth. Maybe not in our lifetime. They would have to wipe out all technology and knowledge to really put an effective damper on it long-term. Barring that, they are just plugging leaks to keep it contained, and the more time goes on, the harder a time they are going to have at keeping it under control. Look at how much of our wealth they can spend on the military and other things, and destroy through inflation, every year. Trillions. And yet we still aren't robbed blind. We are still able to generate more wealth. Just think how much wealth we would have if we could actually keep it. I think people generally have an idea that we would be better off, but I don't think most people really understand the sheer immensity of the hyperbolic growth in wealth.

You have stumbled onto fact

You have stumbled onto fact #1. People are full of sh1t.

Master Pretzel Twister

It is not feasible to stop paying taxes

Taxes are extracted by force. The biggest taxes are extracted before you ever see them. Handing over your wallet to a thug with a gun is not participating, it is being prudent with your life so you can fight another day.

On the other hand, I challenge people to do something even harder: stop taking benefits from the government. No Social Security. No Unemployment Insurance. No subsidized health insurance. No Public Education. No Federal Student Loans. No military career. No government job. No business dealings with the government.

This is much, much harder, but it is more admirable and more effective in sending the liberty message. Plus, it is a big boost to your pride to know that you are not part of the problem. You are not adding to the oppression of your neighbors and kin. You are standing on your own two feet, fending off the whippings from the establishment, yet standing tall as an independent, moral, individual human being.

The moral authority gained by divorcing yourself from any government benefits speaks louder than any speech or futile tilting at tax windmills. It says: I am free.

I think

When people say they would fight for liberty, they think of themselves being physically surrounded by compatriots in arms. Not paying taxes leaves one more isolated against the machine. Just a few jackboots can show up and do whatever they want.

Safety in numbers kind of thing.

"Quite an experience to live

"Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave." BladeRunner (Roy Batty)

Tell me dear sir ...

How do I stop paying something that is TAKEN from me, by color of law then by force, before I even see it?

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

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Are you telling us

that you yourself do not pay taxes?