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Glenn Greenwald Exposes Government-Trained and -Paid Trolls on the Internet

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

By Glenn Greenwald | 24 Feb 2014 | The Intercept

One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations”.

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.

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I think Daily Paul has too many of these shills.

It seems ever since post election season in 2008 this site has been awash with to many of them.

SteveMT's picture

With registration currently closed, we have a fixed membership.

That fixes the number of trolls as well as real members. They are outnumbered 100:1, IMO. Be patient. With time, this problem should fix itself as 1-by-1 they are exposed and dealt with.

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So, in your estimation,

has Granger been exposed yet?

Troll, disinfo, or deluded, it would be nice if she would post her Israel-first opinions and logical fallacies on other sites. But that's my opinion; I'm asking for yours.

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Yes. It's pretty clear to me, but that's just me.

People start to lose their credibility after awhile and after all of the down votes. I engage her periodically to see if there is anything that we can agree on, like I have done below. Lately there is not much common ground. I respect her opinions, although they are a lot different than mine. I don't believe that she has changed anyone's mind from what I've been seeing. However, neither have we changed her beliefs through all of our discussions. It's a totally polarized situation. She is one of the founding members of DP at #408. As of eight weeks ago, there are now just over 60,000 DP member account numbers. In other words, she has been here a longtime, which tells me that she has been exposed to nearly every thought ever expressed here. I don't know what that means. I'm just stating an apparent fact.

What's "exposed" look like?

I'm not an Israel firster; however, I am a zionist and I absolutely believe Israel has a legal case to exist and a moral one.

My awakening to Israel happened shortly after the convention, it was a number of things.. and at that convention, I sat next to Ben Shapiro's parent's in law who were Israeli, and talked about Israel as I never heard of Israel. The father in law was a rocket scientist and the mother in law was stunning woman, both were vegan, orthodox, as Ben is Orthodox, so it was very interesting evening that left me wanting to know more. As I said, it was a number of issues that came into play and focus.

I know exactly how most here feel about Israel. That's how I felt. So DP is a reminder for me of what I felt, what I thought. I'm not trying to convert anyone. I'm just telling it like I see it.

Of being a zionist makes me a troll.. well then, I'm a troll whose been here longer than msot LOL.

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With all due respect,

I was not asking your opinion.

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With all due respect

When you singled me out and named me, your comment deserved a personal response.

Who are the "targets"? Thats

Who are the "targets"? Thats what I really want to know.. Who is the government targeting like this? Ron paul? Kim Dot Com? Is it used on politicians or business leaders, actors, or journalists? Who decides whos the target? and why? That a government can pick people to discredit is amazing.. If it comes to light that it was used on republicans and super pacs during the last election, what then? Will we really ever know?

YOU are.

They want to influence your opinion, and perception to match theirs. It is kinda hard to bother with Ron Paulers since we are pretty specific about wanting liberty, but they will try to influence your views on other things. Take a look at that granger poster always up on israel posts.

Any normal poster that is pro-israel wouldn't go the the lengths they do to defend it. They would simply say they disagree, post one long post, and move on. That poster however posts like they are getting paid to bitch and bitch even though everyone pretty much disagrees.

Let us say hypothetically, I was pro-choice while everyone on here was pro-life. Would I bother going on lengthy debates EVERY time it is brought up? Hell no. I would only do it if I was getting paid, had a organization feeding me data, and my job was to make you damn pro-choice. Just so I could get that one gullible bastard to believe the crap I write.

Indeed you are right, but...

I see where your going with this and I understand and agree.. I was not talking about the part that talks about injecting all sorts of false material onto the internet or manipulating online discourse and activism. I was talking about altering facebook pages, and honey traps.
I dont think thats what they are referring to when they say "targets". Do they hack the facebook page of everyone who replies negatively to their post? Am I the only one who thinks when they talk about "discrediting a target" they are not talking about every person on the daily paul, they are talking about specific people. They dont hack hundreds of facebooks and alter images or set up honeytraps for entire groups of people. These tactics target individuals. I would guess individuals who are talking about things they dont want talked about, or individuals who people listen to. If I had to guess one specific incident that they were involved in. I would guess the rape charge Julian Assange is facing would be some of their work. Seems to deploy all of the tactics described throughout the article.

Well then, they are not

Since your post winds up being about me and my pro-Israel posts.. I see a lot of misinformation, propeganda and lies about Israel, that I once bought. Now I don't and I don't mind saying so. I'm going to tell it like I see it.

I am not "bitching". I'm very much at peace, which I believe truth brings. And it appears those who don't know the truth make top post after top post about Israel, which I stopped doing months ago. I merely respond.

If you were pro-choice and everyone was pro-life, I think it's important to exercise your own beliefs. What a great place to challenge why you are pro-chpoice, rather than crawl under a rock in the name of peace or being "normal".

Believe what you want. I am, and I don't believe the targets are the above poster or even you, but rather those who are intending on harming others, real or imagined.

Is he exposing himself?

and his new honey trap?

This is not new info

This is old info being used to set up a fake Susstein - approved limited hangout, moderated by Greenwald.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

It is SO EGREGIOUS to think they use OUR TAX DOLLARS

to use against us, against Freedom of Speech, all for their own manipulative "agendas".

I mean, I CANNOT BELIEVE the number of FED employees they hired, the time they spend at taxpayer's expense IN DETAIL teaching this nonsense!!

Reminds me of NORML-LP meetings in the 70s

The same meme never dies, it just goes round and round.

My whole life has been one event to the next with someone asking, "Who's the narc?" Now it's "troll". Might as well be "Who's the douser?" or "whose the wedgedriver?".

I've watched them come and go because I was never here to teach, but always here to learn. One of the most startling things I LEARNED on DP is censorship (in a variety of forms) is abundant because it comes from many places, like the war on drugs comes from many places.

DP saw the censorship "LIVE", Ron Paul's scores evaporating before our eyes. We watched all kinds of shenannigans from MSM, the parties, the third parties, the special interest groups that come and go. Alas bitcoin, we hardly knew yah.

My recent discovery of Israel as the UN Agenda does not want people to see it, has a few DP collectives upset. I didn't know why at first, mostly because I didn't hang on on some themed threads, for example, 911. Truthers have a right to exist and express their ideas and if I don't like it, there's plenty of other threads on DP for me to enjoy, which has been the case for years.

When I brought up Israel, the first round of attacks came from this group, and being people have a feeling to need to belong, attacking Granger was a way to belong, somewhere, as long as it is anti-Israel.

Ironically, I see Israel as a beacon of freedom, and the UN Agenda what surrounds Israel, anything but freedom. Which brings me to Greenwald, because neither he nor Snowden have revealed anything to me, or those who enjoyed conspiracy theory for it's intellectual entertainment, will they tell us 911 was an inside job? Maybe they can tell us how NSA screwed up 911?

Censorship and propeganda are not truth and justice.

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Refutation of your "collective"

I'm not a part of a collective. I recall that you had an agreement with Michael in which you stated you would stop talking about Israel.

You didn't. You continue, to this day. Makes me wonder about agreements, and such.

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That would be incorrect

When I discovered Israel, I was amazed at the outstanding achievements this tiny county perpetuated into a thriving state despite circumstances that I now see have been propeganda from the UN Agenda commie/islamic/useful well meaning idiot, who thinks they KNOW the truth, but actually, far FAR from the truth and what's worse, this global attack, on the only self sustaining state that trades will everyone, needs to defend itself from those mentioned above, who are in power, on many levels.

I was shocked at the response I received on DP at first because I thought DP was more open minded, after all those who "think out of the box" are regularly featured, yet, they are muddled with conspiracy and MSM, including propegandists. I defended my right to say what I believe to be the truth, not expecting anyone to see it my way. The attacks here I changed my name to I_LOVE_ISRAEL.

Nystrom and myself exchanged emails at the same time, so that put us out of sync, and Mystrom would up making a top post, "Bring what topic you like here.", I changed my name back to The Granger.

Israel is regularly discussed on DP with venom. I don't respond much, because I don't agree and those who have their minds made up. That's OK. I did too. I understand how and why they feel as they do about Israel. They never saw, and don't care to see, what I saw, what I see. Why is my world full of hope and theirs is not? Seek and ye shall find. I seek solutions, and I found a gold mines in Israel. They find propeganda against Israel.

What can not be discussed is Islam. This is also global and MSM. Attacking Israel means (I am following the UN Agenda (consciously or not). To stand for Israel means (I believe people have the right to self determination).

But I'm sure you have your own ideas, which you are free to post here. BTW, the posters who made contributions to me and then resented that, I sent Nystrom a check.. not DP, but to Nystrom, with you as one in mind. I don't want you to think that I think you ever supported me. You supported Nystrom.

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Granger, You are confusing power with intellect.

They are very different. Being smart and inventing things have nothing to do with acquiring wisdom and seeking peace. The simplest of people can have a lot of wisdom such as the Native Americans, and very technologically advanced civilizations may have very little wisdom like Western Man.

Seeking power and winning wars have nothing to do with intellect. The so-called "barbarians" conquered the Roman Empire. We were defeated in Vietnam by people growing rice. We are being defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq by the same kind of "simple-minded people."

What you are missing is the masking of Israeli aggression because America is the lapdog of Israeli. They are the puppet-masters, and we are the puppets. We are the attack dogs, the "Dick Cheney" for Israeli aggression. While Israel plays the part of the diplomat and their "woe is me" game, we are the ones destabilizing governments, throwing money around, and droning people out of existence.

Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 200 hundred years. Yet, they are the bad guys. Poor little Israel. We have to help them again, and go get those "bad Muslim countries" that want to blow them off the face of the earth like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, etc.

I don't think so

Wars come in many shapes and forms, and the best are the ones people don't know that they are in. It has more to do with luck or fate than intellect or wisdom, or power concerning either.

America is not a lap dog of Israel. America went left when Israel said, "screw this UN Agenda bull, we can do better!". And they are doing better, while the rest of us are subjected to this matrix, blob like alien consuming freedom and spilling blood even in Iran.

Some want to call it a clash of civilizations, and it is happening globally. What makes Iran "bad guys" is Iran executes homosexuals, practices female castration, stands for child marriage, sees women as property.. and thus are the tribal differences where Iran has it's own problems as did every nation you mentioned.. the problem is WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Unless you happen to like WESTERN CIVILIZATION, as I do, and which Israel thrives.. many other places in the world are at war, and much of it is Muslim Vs Muslim, however, the UN Agenda, which the USA sold out to, that's where are freedom went, that's why we don't get the truth, but what is to "move us", or control us.

Press TV is Iran.. why do we get that? UN Agenda. is Iran tha bad guy? No. So let me ask you this:

Do you think Fukashima is a joke? Do you believe the world should be building more nuclear plants, especially in Uran where there are earthquakes?

To make a comparison to Israel, where they've had nukes for decades and still never deployed one. Still attacks in defense (I know this is not what Press TV (Iran) or RT (Russia) TV tells us.. but they are not telling the truth. Being "anti-USA", is being anto-Israel, because both continue to offer solutions on a global level.

Bush said he went to war to "keep the war over there".

The war is already happening and we get small reports. There are genocides happing in Africa, suicide bombers are active in all the places you mnetioned, churches are burning..

Has it occured to you that "Iran" hasn't attacked because Iran is NOT FREE, the people are repressed/opporessed? I'm not saying we should change that. I'm not saying we want to go to war. I don't believe we should trade with Iran, and I don't think they needed nukes. I think most Americans have become dhimmis, and that's neither wise nor intelligent, but suicidal.

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Fukushima is definitely not a joke

Reading a book on it now. Do you know of the Mossad involvement?

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I.m sure there is

When you figure Israel is 8 million people, the majority have been trained in the military, and many remain within the military working on security in their towns (Mushavs) and of course intel., then take the fact that Israel produces high tech.. none of us would be on a comupter if not for the chips and applications that passed through Israel military to civilian life.. it would be hard to imagine that anyone who was an Israeli would not be Moussad or trust Moussad, in a way Americans can envy, because Americans do not trust the CIA. ALL Western civilization depends on Israel one form or another, and this galls Islam and industrial communists who want a NWO free from Israel influence.

I count the Israel influence as a great blessing, but then I count blessings, and think maybe those who do not count blessings would rather count sins? Why just the sins of Israel?

Especially women, western women who enjoy having an education, wearing what they choose, marrying who they want, when they want, not being circumsized.. being able to drive a car.. CHOICE.. you can wear a burka, be married at 16, have a circumcision by CHOICE.

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"America is not a lap dog of Israel."

When we stop our $4B/year military aid to Israel, I will believe your comment.

“There is no such thing as a good war or a bad peace.”
- Benjamin Franklin

$130 Billion? Is that all?

My aricle says Israel aid remains untouched in 2014 US budget proposal

Under 2014 budget proposal submitted by U.S. President Barack Obama to Congress on Wednesday, Israel would receive $3.4 billion in total military aid, including $220 million for the Iron Dome anti-rocket system.

Hmmm great investments!

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From your own link

Under 2014 budget proposal submitted by U.S. President Barack Obama to Congress on Wednesday, Israel would receive $3.4 billion in total military aid, including $220 million for the Iron Dome anti-rocket system.
PLUS...Obama's 2014 proposal also allocates $96 million for joint U.S.-Israel research and development projects, including the David's Sling and Arrow missile defense systems.
PLUS...In 2013, funding for Iron Dome was not included in the president's original budget proposal, but $210 million was added later on by Congress.
SOOO,that iron dome either costs 220 million,210 million,or430 million?
And to balance the accounts?....

The proposed budget hopes to tame galloping deficits by raising taxes on the wealthy and trimming benefit programs. The proposal includes $1.8 trillion in new deficit cuts over the next decade as the U.S. tries to reduce its debt.
Raising taxes on the wealthy,and trimming benefit programs,these are programs
for americans(hopefully),and maybe,just maybe they have paid into that system
Such as social security?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

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Psychopaths giving other psychopaths murdering money

is never a great investment.

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This is what I mean.. I count my blessings, while you curse yours.

I appreciate western civilization. Many take it for granted.

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You seem to be saying that this country

that you're not supposed to be talking about is the basis of western civilization.

Why do you persist? Really, why? There are plenty of wonders in Brazil and Argentina and many other of the hundreds of countries and unclaimed islands on the planet. Why do you persist in saying that this other one, that you are neither a resident nor citizen of, is the greatest one on the planet?

Something is wrong.

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not the basis

the catalyst.

Why do so many people complain about such a small place if there was not outstanding things going on there?

There are plenty of wonders in the world.. one of them is Israel's abili ty to thrive despite a world against it.