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When Death Happens - Alan Watts


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How does this video come to

How does this video come to be linked to Alan Watts. That is not Alan Watts speaking. What is identifying this video?

You know it's BS when he said not to be drugged up...

...on your deathbed because you might "miss something."

Yeah, sure.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I appreciate the effort, but with all due respect...this is B.S.

LIFE is what matters - I mean living it to the fullest we can while we're here. This guy sounds obsessed with death.

I'm not devout but I'm a Christian so the greatest story is that life is eternal. Christ rose from the dead - back to life.

And thank you, but I hope I'm drugged up to the hilt when dying time comes.

You can't convince me that death is a pleasent experience on the level with other experiences involved with living.

This guy is whacked out.

I may be the only one to disagree with this video, but I'm happy to take on that role and call B.S. on it.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I know what it's like to be dead.

I was dead before 1947. It was exactly like the couple of times I went under total anesthesia. With all due respect to Mr. Watts, (how much that is, I cannot say), I would much prefer to go on living.

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Joη's picture

good advice

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"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

I have watched people give up

There comes a point where life is more of a pain than a pleasure. My wife's aunt, at 94, turned to us one day and said "I'm 94...isn't that terrible." We of course said, no, no, that's wonderful. She quietly said "All my friends are gone."

She lived long enough to see her 64 year old profoundly disabled son take to his bed and decide he wanted to die. Thirty days later, she was gone, too. There was nothing else for her to do.

I see it coming with my own mother.

Perhaps that is the way it's supposed to be.

Government spends about half of all the money spent on healthcare, and far more than half of that is spent on the last 6 months of an elderly person's life. If there were no government elderly insurance programs, would people be more realistic about when it is time to go? Would we have a healthier approach to our own lives and deaths?

Sir,

Did you invent obamacare?

Huh?

Care to explain your comment?

Complete Lives System.

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We are born, we live, we die

That's nature. Extreme measures can extend life a bit, and you are welcome to those measures, as long as you or someone else voluntarily pays for them.

But you will lose the fight eventually. Is it so wrong to admit to yourself that the fight is no longer worth it...in terms of discomfort and treasure?

Government provided healthcare forces your neighbor to pay to keep you hooked up to a lung machine, pumped full of painkillers, wracked with bed sores so you can watch two more episodes of Dancing With The Stars. Obamacare says you're entitled to live long enough to watch one, and you have to buy the insurance to cover it. If you were left to your own devices, you might choose to skip the whole show as a waste of a good life and blow every dime you've got on one good last party before expiring with a Mai Tai and a hooker.

from 1961 interview

Allen Ginsberg: What is death?

William Burroughs: A gimmick. It’s the time-birth-death gimmick. Can’t go on much longer, too many people are wising up.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Awesome

People are wising up. LOL.

I guess they're not wising up fast enough!

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

he had a lot of interesting things to say about death

that without being able to dream a person would die in two weeks.

that an artist must face it square in the face to be any good.

that he never doubted the possibility of an afterlife.

you might be interested in his last book, a bedside memoir of his final years, written mostly in notes: Last Words: The Final Journals

i recall in that short book he mentioned reading & liking a book on dying by the guy who wrote A Road Less Traveled.

Robert Frost

The Road not taken.

Depressing progressive message.

Watts essentially says each of us is just an insignificant and tiny piece of the collective... Therefore you must be thankful for the time allowed by the collective and quietly die when told.

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Life and death... it's just the cycle Nature came up with...

Life and death... it's just the cycle Nature came up with...

Woes to those who have deemed some human lives to be greater or more valuable than other human lives and decided to reject Nature's pick...

or those (often the same) who want to manage human lives and to be the planners of the recycling thru death.

They do the work of Evil.

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I disagree with watts on this one

I think Death is a horrible malady for humanity, but I do agree that nature require some death to renew itself.

Watts makes it sound like death is a choice when it's not. That may change though in the next 30 years as technological advance "kills" death.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

Is my sentence not too long? :D

"Watts makes it sound like death is a choice"

I don't hear him saying that at all. I hear him saying to fight or defy death, to dread or be scared of death, also to accept death or even enjoy or at least be grateful for it, to be indifferent or ignore it, that these are among our choices, that death is inevitable, but that we choose our attitude going forward toward it, and that our attitude regarding death has a tremendous influence on our quality of life.

Has thinking of death as a horrible malady increased your quality of life?

Alan Watts is a great speaker

but he doesn't really say anything when he speaks. It's just a bunch of words that have ambiguous meaning, kind of like Obama.
I've watched a number of these videos and they're all "good" and scenic and majestic and so on and so forth, but they make absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL. Am I missing something?

It took him 4 minutes

basically to say we come from nothing and go back to nothing, that we (our genes) live on through our children, and this is the way of nature. Any Atheist could have said the same in fewer words.

I felt the same

what did I just hear?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Not to go on a rant, but an

Not to go on a rant, but an interesting thing just happened to me after seeing this video.

I showed my girlfriend (who loves to fight) the video and explained how usually tragedyandhope does this kind of thing; and it is awesome (did he really do this or was it someone new?).

Anyway, she asked me about what I thought about it; I told her that I appreciated his objectivity and that I really liked a lot of what he said.

This is where it gets interesting.

I tell her that I like him, but that I never hear any theology from him. I asked her what he said about that. I went on saying that I thought a world without theology, without any consequence for right and wrong, would be pretty "shitty."

She got ultra mad! Now she won't even talk to me. She says that I disparaged her religion. I didn't even realize that I was doing such a thing. It really shocked me that she got so mad and clammed up instead of just explaining it to me. I never meant to disparage or condemn her, I just told her (strongly) how I thought the world needed theology.

Now, I read that he was a Christian Priest before. Why couldn't she have just told me that?

Anyway, let me know what you think.

what I think...

I heard Watts entirely speaking theology. It was all about right, wrong, and consequences. It flowed as a sermon to my ears. I don't know, but perhaps your girlfriend's reaction was one of disappointment in your not hearing it as such.

Thanks Robb, yeah it was just

Thanks Robb, yeah it was just that I hadn't ever heard him speak on that. Anyway, I do know now that he has many speeches about theology. I was trying to ask her what she knew about his theology because I hadn't heard anything at the time.

The reason I didn't know was because in this video he was speaking about death, and about how death's role was to make Nature happy. It seemed to portray a world which was a little vacuous of "right and wrong."

Bottom line is that it was just my opinion that tripped her off. Michael was right.

Is she...

A Muslim?

I think a person

who loves to fight would be a difficult person to have a conversation.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

I agree

And from what you said, I don't think you disparaged her religion. It sounds like you just shared your opinion.

But it is telling that you said she "loves to fight." I've known people like that in my years, and in my experience, people who love to fight actively seek out reasons to do so.

I know you probably didn't come here for relationship advice, but be careful with this one. Just observe the different kinds of 'fights' she gets and try to figure out why.

I have a dear friend with a girlfriend who also 'loves to fight.' He's been with her for the last 15 years or so and frankly, he's killing her. He's said as much to me. He can't reform her (after 15 years, that should be obvious!), but for whatever reason, he can't leave her, either.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts