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RT Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES
Gunmen from Kiev attempted to seize Crimea\'s Interior Ministry overnight
Crisis in Ukraine
Breaking: Ukraine Warships in Black Sea
*Ukraine Warships Deployed in Black Sea on Alert — Border Service Official
*Ukraine Border Forces: Will Do Everything to Prevent Seizure of Bases, Ships
*Military Attempting to Take Control of Border Naval Bases Said They Act on Orders From Moscow — Ukraine Border Official

Currently: Simultaneous Pro-Russian demonstrations ongoing in Donetsk, Kharkiv, Mariupol and Horlivka and Nikolaev
ITAR TASS reports of Russian flags hoisted over city administration bldgs in Kharkov and Donetsk, amid mass rallies.
7:05 EST -- Donetsk crowd was chanting "Russia, Russia"... rocks were starting to fly.. cameraman went offline said 'Dangerous'..
this was the link.. will moniter for resuming broadcast.. pretty crazee.
Donetsk Police join protesters. Police Chief says he now takes orders from the people.
►@5:00 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/44357293
Over 10,000 protest in Ukraine’s pro-Russia city of Donetsk

"Every military veteran in Crimea seems to have be hauling their old Soviet uniforms out of the cupboard."

►Anti-Maidan rally in Crimea: Hundreds protest in Simferopol

http://youtu.be/5hjwv0A19ck

2 'Presidents': Ukraine's acting president Yatsenyuk declares appointment of pro-Russia premier Aksyonov in Crimea region illegal

Senator John McCain: “We Are All Ukrainians Now”

►Infighting ALREADY within 'new' Kiev Government
Ukraine ultranationalist leader vows to hang new interior minister 'like a dog'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO69-hzYo_A&feature=youtu.be

►Russian S-400 AIR DEFENCE heading to UKRAINE? (time stamp in vid was 26-2-2014) uh-oh maybe already in place..

http://youtu.be/V68srzQs7PQ

Putin requests senators’ approval to send troops to Crimea
http://rt.com/news/russia-troops-ukraine-possible-359/

http://youtu.be/E2oxto6k53I

US Troop Deployment? (unconfirmed)
another forum (military watchers) saying that the American 3rd Infantry Division, 82nd Airborne Division, 101st Airborne Division and 10th Mountain Division are preparing to deploy, as well as the British 3rd Mechanised Division and 1st Armoured Division. A US Marine Expeditionary Unit has been diverted to the region as well.
But already Germany and the Netherlands have refused to allow their ports and airfields to be used, so the Americans and British might have to deploy through Poland and Turkey instead.

RT Updates: http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

DUMA wants Recall of Russian ambassador to USA

(unconfirmed/CNN discussing)Two US warships which had been deployed in the Black Sea to back up Russian security for the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi - the USS Taylor Frigate and the USS Mount Whitney Blue Ridge-class command ship - have moved over to the western side of the Black Sea opposite Crimea and facing the Russian navy base of Sevastopol.

►Russian Troops in Crimea

http://youtu.be/m2KK3CD0gKQ

Ukraine Acting President Puts Armed Forces On Full Combat Alert
Now Gives Russia a 'deadline' to leave.. March 2nd 8:00am
UPDATE: 8:00am now come and gone.. nothing.

►The Crimean capital, Simferopol, where thousands of people earlier took to the streets to oppose the self-proclaimed government in Kiev, is calm and functioning well.
Ukrainian armed forces dispatched to Crimea have started to switch sides on a massive scale, turning themselves over to the new Crimean government. As Interfax reports, many of the living quarters, as well as weapons and ammunition have been abandoned and taken over by the Crimean 'defense forces.'

►The cash-strapped, self-proclaimed government of Ukraine may carry out austerity measures demanded by the International Monetary Fund before it provides emergency loans. "The move would give more incentives to foreign governments to treat the Kiev regime as legitimate", professor of political economy Jeffrey Sommers told RT.
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"As for public discontent with the unavoidable economic hardship, Kiev will likely blame Russia for that", he added.

3 million rubles ($ 83,000) of support has been collected for Crimean citizens by people from Kaliningrad, Russia’s westernmost city.. The first 3 million rubles will be sent to Crimea on Monday.. A rally in support of Russians living in Ukraine has attracted some 15,000 people in St. Petersburg

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►UK Foreign Secretary William Hague is due to visit Kiev

►Far right groups patrolling Kiev

http://youtu.be/GkiSPMpTp_I

►Ukraine's navy tells Reuters it still has its full fleet of 10 ships in Sevastopol. The navy says they have not disarmed and remain loyal to Kiev. Earlier the Ukrainian coast guard told Reuters that it had withdrawn its vessels from Sevastopol.

►Nearly 40 people have been arrested in central St Petersburg during an unauthorized protest against the decision to send stabilizing military forces in Ukraine, the Interior Ministry in the city said. A similar protest took place in Moscow, where over 60 activists were arrested. (No 1st Amendment, right to assemble in Russia, eh?)

Kerry: The US warned Russia that it risks losing its place in the Group of Eight developed countries over the deployment of troops in Crimea.

John Kerry said that President Vladimir Putin “is not going have a Sochi G8, he may not even remain in the G8 if this continues.”

“He may find himself with asset freezes on Russian business. American business may pull back, there may be a further tumble of the ruble," Kerry said.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has threatened Russia with "very serious repercussions," saying it may face economic sanctions following its "incredible act of aggression." (Right.. )

►About 10 Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet ships voluntarily have left the naval base in Sevastopol, with several vessels now heading to Odessa, a source in the government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea told Interfax on Sunday. Several vessels have since returned to the base in Sevastopol “because of malfunctions.”

►Meanwhile, former Ukrainian troops were due to swear allegiance to the Crimean authorities in Sevastopol at 5pm local time (15:00 GMT). An unnamed official source earlier told RIA Novosti that “the majority of the Ukrainian armed forces deployed in Crimea” have passed to the side of the region. The transition was made “without a single shot fired,” with Kiev categorically denying the claims of Ukrainian soldiers switching sides en masse.

►Kiev has (now) dismissed the heads of administration in 18 of 24 regions of Ukraine. (ha! They've now appointed puppets to 'represent' people who are swearing allegiance to Russia in mass and have been hoisting their flag above their admin bldgs. What a comical farce this self-appointed Kiev coup is... what's NOT comical is they're going to get people KILLED.. with Kerry/NATO chanting that it's about 'Sovereignty'.)

NATO Meeting Results: Nato's North Atlantic Council met in a closed-door session earlier on Sunday. The Brussels bureau chief for the Financial Times, Peter Spiegel, tweets: "Have been told there was NO discussion of military planning or deployments at NATO council meeting."

China expresses understanding of Russia’s analysis on causes of crisis in Ukraine
MOSCOW, March 03. /ITAR-TASS/. China expressed understanding of Russia’s analysis on the causes of the crisis in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported.

Diplomacy Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and GERMAN Foreign Minister will hold a meeting in Geneva Today, Monday, on the situation in Ukraine

Russian Foreign Ministry Statement:

“Not bothering to make any effort to understand the complex processes occurring within Ukrainian society or make an objective assessment of the environment, which is furthering the degradation following the forceful seizure of power in Kiev by radical extremists, [Secretary of State John Kerry] operates with a ‘Cold War’ stamp, offering not to punish those who carried out the government overthrow, but the Russian Federation,” it read.
"And while glossing over this, the USA and its allies have closed their eyes to the excesses of the radical fighters on Maidan, their bullying of political opponents and ordinary citizens, as well as their anti-Semitism and militant Russophobia.”

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Russia issues Ultimatum in Crimea
Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 5 a.m. [12:00 a.m. Midnight EST] on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying.

while at the same time...

Ukrainian 1st Marine battalion base in Feodosiya (Crimean port) again refuses to take orders from Crimean PM nor surrender.

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MIDNIGHT DEADLINE CALLED OFF! Moscow called the Black Sea Fleet command and apparently they have now rescinded the Ultimatum. Good!

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Pentagon Suspends Military Ties With Russia
Pentagon announces all military-to-military engagements between US and Russia put on hold; includes all exercises, bilateral talks, port visits, planning conferences

U.S. Suspends Trade and Investment Talks With Russia
The U.S. said late Monday it will suspend talks with Russia aimed at boosting trade and investment.

►Russia threatens to abandon the US dollar as a reserve currency

►Crimean authorities will visit Moscow on Friday to hold talks
the Crimean delegation of 24 people, “will discuss many questions with the members of the State Duma, including medical provisions, humanitarian issues and financial assistance.”

►Confiscation
European Union governments have reached a preliminary agreement to freeze the assets of 18 Ukrainians at the request of the new self-proclaimed government in Kiev.

►Donetsk 'Opposing Rallies' Converge Today
Pro-Russian and Pro-Maiden/Kiev rallies will converge today in Donetsk.



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The Ukrainian naval fleet (what there is of it) is docked right

next to the Russian naval fleet at Sevastopal.

I took an organized boat ride tour around the Ukrainian fleet and in the next (very close) harbor was the Russian fleet.

I am so freakin confused

I am so freakin confused about what is going on over there. Can someone explain to me in simple terms?

thank you for your honesty--

I am confused, too.

I just know in my 'gut' that war is wrong, that the U.S. should not be involved, but I have a powerful hunch that *we* have been all along--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Paul Craig Roberts can help

Paul Craig Roberts can help get you up to speed...

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/12/washington-orches...

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/25/crisis-ukraine-pa...

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/26/ukrainian-neo-naz...

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/17/us-eu-paying-ukra...

As former Assistant US Treasury Secretary under Reagan, Dr. Roberts is also one of the top experts on US-Russian relations. Dr. Roberts predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union when the CIA and everyone else never saw it coming. (well, at least the CIA pretends it didn't know any better).

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

From an article I read a few days ago and others

Take this with a grain of salt, but here's what I got from it:
1. Tymoshenko and Yanukvych are both oligarchs, not supported by protestors,keep in mind.
2. Earlier in December, Yanukvych U-turned on his promise of signing an EU agreement in turn Ukraine will get 15 billion dollars and some EU membership talks. Oh, they also insist on the release of Tymoshenko(why? she's not particularly seen as a saint)
* HOWEVER. Putin sees this, sees Ukraine as a key in the Eurasian Union that he wants to establish, butts in and offers a "no-strings-attached" 15 Billion PLUS subsdized gas
3. Protestors sees Yanukvych(this is generalizing) as corrupt and a sell-out, begun protesting
4. Police pulls out and stops defending the president, Yanukvych flees and is now in Crimea. Tymonshenko's right hand man is in power after protestors take over the palace.
5. Crimea, which was given by Khrushchev in 1954 but is mostly Russia, has a Russia base, and Putin is now moving troops into it... Figures

So really the situation isn't crystal clear, but yeah... That's the story I got from this. I can't say the US or EU are funding neo-nazi(this is probably an over generalization), but Tymoshenko being in power is definitely in the interest of the EU rulers.

I can see Ukraine being split.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

I don't know, but...

I don't know, but... What I heard second hand from a family member who knows a Ukrainian there was that the real reason Ukrainians are upset is because Ukraine produces chemicals for EU countries, chemicals which are illegal to manufacture in the EU because they create a lot of pollution. The Ukrainians want the same protections to their air and stuff that the EU has, so the government allowing the pollution is supposedly the factor that is upsetting people, and which the Ukrainian guy said that the news agencies over there don't talk about because EU companies are the ones creating the pollution and having their chemicals made in Ukraine (where environmental laws are less strict) and they don't want to upset the EU. He also said that a lot of people have strong ties to Russia in that they work over there and travel back and forth regularly. So there is a pull from both east and west. There's other problems as well. There's not a lot of work. Some guy started a business, but the mob over there demanded protection money, and beat him for refusing, and basically thwarted his business. It's also very expensive to register vehicles there. But, this is just second (now third) hand information, so take it with a grain of salt.

at least 15 years ago I do know that . . .

the Ukraine was a country that ran on bribery.

There are other Eastern European nations that are saints in comparison--

This I know from personal experience.

But I won't say how.

Just saying it.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

wow--

chemicals are at the bottom of so many torrid things--

Thanks--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

the short and sweet

Russia is forcing a no-win situation for the West to fight a war to enforce a US/EU instigated coup, and the coup is pretty unpopular across most of the Ukraine evidenced by today's protests against the 'new' authorities that took power in Kiev.

The new Kiev 'leadership' is now issuing commands that no one is following including the Ukraine military and navy -- a breakdown in chain of command.

As well-- the 'envoys' Kiev sent to various pro-Russian cities were rejected and in some cases assaulted. The demonstration in Donetsk was massive.

This can be parsed a number of different ways.. but in the simplest terms.. Russia is responding to a call for help against an unpopular coup d'etat that promises MORE bloodshed. It is a GIANT F'up that's gone out of control. But of course... destabilization has been the standard operating procedure for quite a while now... and 'color' revolutions etc.

I think the West has screwed the pooch this time.

But let NO one 'spin' this as some kind of Russian 'attack'/invasion. They are responding to a populist cry for help. I would think their goal is to stabilize; confront the mercenaries; depose the 'coup'; re-install the elected President to face elections in May... if all goes well.

Had they been heavy handed

They could have been in Kiev in 3 hours to reinstall the rightful, democratically elected leader, and no one could have stopped them.

This is definitely not a heavy handed invasion, and probably has done alot to stop what might have been a bloody civil war.

The best solution would be a peaceful split, with the east Joining Russia, and west becoming the EU's bitch.

Strategically, Russia cannot give up its influence in the Crimea. Now do we see why the Russians don't want the missle defenses in Poland, seeing how Poland would be the route for western forces to support the Ukraine.

Definitely look at the gas and oil pipeline maps to help sort this out.

I'm sure I'm not the best person here to explain

So if anyone would like to add to this or correct mistakes, surely do so!

This is how I understand it:

Ukraine is roughly speaking politically divided between a pro-European Western half and a pro-Russian Eastern half. There's been a lot of discontent for a long time in Ukraine, mostly for economic reasons as their economy went from crappy to booming to crappy again in a short period of time. The straw that broke the camel's back was the government's refusal to increase transparency and economic opportunities with Europe by signing an economic and transparency deal with the EU. There's been protests for the last couple of months in Kiev on this issue.

The government eventually responded by more stringest protest rules, known colloquially as the dictatorship laws. Tensions were still heightening until the president fled to Russia, and from there has been saying how he's still the legitimate head of the government and he's going to come back.

Then these random uniformed gunmen showed up at an airport in Crimea. I think now its confirmed that they are Russian, but I'm not sure.

Russia is involved in many wars

Interesting that so many who knock the USA military and foreign policy, defend Russia. Here's a good timeline: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE_PROTESTS_T...

Compared to reagans invasion of granada

This is more strategically important to Russia, than Granada was to the USA. So its not really a surpising move, and does not indicate a really aggressive foreign policy. The move is much more defensive.

the Russian regime are obviously statist thugs, like most other powerful governments, but they are much less connected to the international banking cartels that run the US and the EU.

Last thing, Moving ukraine into the western sphere of influence destabilizes Russia, and decreases their ability to help Iran in the ongoing middle east conflicts. This is similar to the Russian incursion into Georgia. There is unrest in the caucuses that also threaten black sea ports. If they lose both, no more black sea port, no more easy access to the med, No more influence in syria and Iran.

Do you not think that the international banking cartel planned this in response to russia's support for syria. They also had a significant hand in war in Georgia. Question - what country did most of the training of the Georgian military ?

I think

I think it has for more to do with religion, because Russia and the EU have lost, and the Ukraine christians know that either way, Russia or the EU, they will be slaughtered as the genocides on Africa prevail.

great updates

If you check out the map, there is no way a limited military action could take back the Crimea. The Russian base at Sevastapol is strong, as is the Russian navy and air-force presents.

Another consideration is the bloody civil war in Ukraine that is probably less likely to occur because of Putin.

Thanks

Thanks