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Police open fire on unarmed people inside a residence - San Diego

This is really just too much... While serving a warrant, detective shoots people through a window because she thought a guy was reaching for a gun. No guns were found.

"As the officer looked inside the residence, the officer saw a 35-year-old man inside the room stand up and retrieve what appeared to be a weapon, officials said. Fearing he was going to use it, the officer fired several rounds according to investigators.

The man inside the room was shot in the hip area and was transported to a nearby hospital.

A second shooting victim, a 56-year-old woman, walked out of the home with a gunshot wound to the leg.

There were six people inside the home at the time of the shooting. None of the occupants was carrying a weapon, officials said.

No officers were injured."


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Broke the window?

"A member of the San Diego police narcotics unit repeatedly knocked on the front window of the home while the team was executing the search warrant. As the officer knocked, the window broke, police said."

Knocking hard enough with what? It wasn't his hand if he broke the window and yet wasn't injured.

"No officers were injured."

The door knocker

Oh, wait, cops don't do that anymore for "safety" reasons.

It Started With the Drug War

For you youngsters, it started with the drug war.

The "war" mentality was not common until war was declared on us. Before that, with certain local exceptions for minorities, the police were on the side of society.

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State-sponsored domestic terrorists strike again....

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What would the Founders do?

ChristianAnarchist's picture

And on it goes... It's

And on it goes... It's really a shame to see what the goons have become. They even give the name "goons" a bad reputation...

Beware the cult of "government"...

More Paid Leave

The officer under investigation is, of course, on paid leave. Shoot 2 people, get paid not to work.

Feel free to down vote me

but paid leave is the right thing to do. Now, you may ask yourself, what the hell is this guy smoking and where can I buy an ounce but paid leave is the right thing to do.

You give the officer the benefit of the doubt. You make sure he/she is innocent until proven guilty (we can debate on stupid juries later), and you make sure everything is done to the letter of the law that requires proof before punishment. You make absolutely sure that we don't skip a single step in the legal process or cut one single corner. Then, when these beasts are locked up they can't complain that they were treated unfairly. They have no ground to stand upon to say "but they didn't do it right". We have everything in our favor to say, "see, we treated you like you were innocent until evidence of your guilt was brought forth."

This is how it should be done because then the guilty have no recourse other than to enjoy the punishment which they so richly earned.

Step two is to find people for juries who aren't so brainwashed as to believe cops are innocent even when the video clearly shows them doing evil things.

You can place me firmly in the

outraged that they get paid leave category. What you're saying may be right if they indeed did have to face a jury, but when was the last time a cop in San Diego did that? The whole "internal investigation" noise is nothing but a sham and the paid leave just gives the cops incentive to do this type of thing. In the end, after exhaustive "internal investigation," they will all have been found to have been carrying out "proper police policy," and that will be that. Welcome back to the force and on to the next victim.

The problem is

if you start their punishment before they are found guilty of a crime then you are no better than they are. If the department is corrupt then we take them to court, personally, and punish them that way. Ruin their lives how they had planned to ruin yours. However, it is wrong of us to become the monster we fight simply because some ... er, lots ... of the guilty get off scott free. What next? Lock them up before trial? Execute them before trial? Aren't we fighting against this very thing?

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The problem is...

there is NEVER any punishment!

Whatever they are doing...it ISN'T working!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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TwelveOhOne's picture

Didn't vote you down, but:

These beasts need to be on a tighter leash than The People.

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Oh, no argument what so ever here

But we can't, in good concience, rail about guilty until proven innocent and then turn around and scream "ALL COPS ARE ALL GUILTY ALL THE TIME!" It makes us look like hypocrites. We must assume they are innocent until a jury finds them guilty and that means paid leave. If you place them on unpaid leave then you have started their punishment before their trial by removing their income from them. We must all remember that we are better than that, we support the constitution, we support the rule of law, we support justice, and that means giving even the most vile of police monster their day in court BEFORE we begin their well deserved punishment.

TwelveOhOne's picture

If someone is paid at an hourly rate,

then if they are subject to pre-trail incarceration, their punishment has also already started before their trial.

So if it happens to The People, then we should not make public servants into some protected class. Which it seems is what you're alluding to, much as I wish it wasn't the case.

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Ah, now you are changing the argument

They cannot be placed on admin leave and incarcerated at the same time ... well, one would hope. If they have been incarcerated then I 100% agree with you.

The problem with this problem is always going to be where do you crowbar a start at? You know, who watches the watcher. However, as I said, do it strictly by the book so these animals have no recourse but to serve their justly deserved sentence; I'd hate to see them released on a technicallity because you know they'll leverage anything they can get.

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Changing the argument?

No, I'm following it through to its logical conclusion.

We've been doing it "by the book" for years, see Einstein for how that works out.

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...it's now become the goal.

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy