The Christian Right - Huge Potential for Support
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When James Dobson recently failed to give Rudy Giuliani the nod, Dobson left the door open to someone else. This includes, he said, even a third party candidate.
As we know, Dr. Paul is not a third party candidate, and he has ruled out any possibility of becoming one. But things change; and if Rudy, or someone else, gets the republican nomination next year, then I hope Ron Paul will reconsider his position. He will have come too far to abandon the field to the opposition.
At the present time there appears to be no unified Christian support for any candidate. This is something that could be made the focus of various church-going supporters and meet-up groups. Fellowship groups are also good for this, since "making things better" are a part of the discussions. That is something that Ron Paul would certainly seek to do.
I know there are individual pastors, and other clergy, who support Ron Paul, and this is terrific. Mention has been previously made of endangering a church's non-profit status if the pastor advocated a candidate from the pulpit, or in an "official" capacity. But most of the meet-up members are not pastors and they can visit local churches and talk with the pastor, the social outreach people and others.
I am hopeful that other posters will have better suggestions than mine; I am just starting this thread - butI hope it will lead to getting more awareness and support for Dr. Paul.
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Lesser Of Two Evils...NOT
Our mission should be to convince the R leaders that only Ron Paul will guarantee a landslide GOP victory (drawing votes from ALL Republicans, most independents and many disgruntled Democrats) and that offering a socialist front-runner will intentionally hand the presidency to Hitlery.
Conservative Rs and independents will refuse vote for their RINOs and neo-con candidates or the lesser of two evils.
KMoore
May our efforts in support of Doctor and Congressman Ron Paul's Campaign to be President of these United States of America be blessed with supernatural productivity and success
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I emailed focus on the
I emailed focus on the family about ron paul. Heres what i got.
Greetings from Focus on the Family, and thank you for taking the time to write. I consider it a privilege to respond on behalf of our ministry.
We are pleased you took a moment to share a few thoughts regarding the 2008 presidential election. While we appreciate your willingness to weigh in on the merits of Dr. Ron Paul’s platform, we should point out that Focus is prohibited by IRS guidelines from endorsing presidential candidates. Our sister 501(c)(4) organization, Focus on the Family Action, though allowed greater latitude in that area, has likewise chosen to refrain from so doing. Rather, we believe we’re called to speak out on the moral issues that Christians can’t afford to ignore and to recommend that believers vote for candidates whose convictions align with those principles, regardless of party affiliation. Along these lines, we invite you to take a look at the enclosed paper titled, “Non-Negotiable Issues: Focus on the Family’s Encouragement to Christian Voters.” It explains some of the factors we believe are key in determining a viable candidate. It’s also worth mentioning that if Dr. Dobson were to endorse a presidential candidate, he would do so as a private individual and not in his capacity as Chairman of the Board of Focus or Focus Action. To this point, Dr. Dobson has not backed anyone for the 2008 election.
Again, thanks for contacting us. Be assured that we will continue to closely monitor the presidential race, and, as the field narrows, we will provide as much information as possible about the views of those who come to the fore. Richest blessings!
Jessica Johnson
Focus on the FamilyRon Paul 08
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I read their document.
I read their document. http://www.family.org/sharedassets/correspondence/pdfs/Publi...
It does not quite jive 1 to 1 with Paul.. you might try to write them back and talk about the immoralities of war, Since the only other closest candidate is Huckabee and he is pro war.. Since the Iraq war is not a war of defense.. isn't it against the Christian doctrine for a just war?
How to win Christians to Cong. Paul
I would try this (I happen to be an evangelical Christian):
Forget the war in Iraq - most evangelicals support the war
BUT
If you can appeal to the fact that history teaches that when the constitutional order is derailed, it is people of faith - especially Christians - that are persecuted. We have had eight generations of religious liberty in America and that is unheard in the world today - a product of the Constitution and the Judeo-Christian moral ethic the nation was built upon.
We cannot restore the Judeo-Christian moral ethic by laws - we have to have a Holy Ghost revival for that (There may be I suppose some laws to pass to solve specific problems) but we can restore liberty. Liberty will bring about the climate for the proclamation of the Gospel. Tyranny will not. With the military tribunals, loss of habeas corpus, wiretapping and improved technology and globalism supported today - we are perilously close to tyranny - we cannot wait until it is obvious - technology won't allow it - and thus evangelical Christians must support Cong. Paul.
Finally, Cong. Paul sought to both stop most abortions (and deconstitutionalize the "right to choose") and protect states not wanting gay marriage from having that imposed on them: He introduced a bill to insulate DOMA from Federal court action. He also supports the Second Amendment.
Sandy Sanders
Sandy Sanders
www.varight.com
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Now take it to your church leader/s !
The government needs to stay out of the marriage business
Why is the government involved in marriage period. Why do I need the govermnent to sanction something between me, my wife and my God? In fact, I pay more taxes because my wife and I both earn. Don't let bush fool you into thinking the marriage tax penalty is gone. It still bites you with itemized deductions, AMT and IRA qualification.
Call James Dobson - very effective!
For James Dobson to be effectively reached and distressed enough for him to address the issue he must receive thousands of phone calls. His toll free phone number is (800) A-FAMILY (232-6459). The toll line is (719) 531-5181.
Tell him you want to make sure he knows about Ron Paul.
E-mail Dobson
How about this. Instead of saying Dobson "won't" support him. Why don't we all e-mail Dobson and try to change his mind.
http://family.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/family.cfg/php/enduser/as...
Here is the E-mail I sent them. Larry Burkett was a Financial Coundile that had a show on the moody bible institude when I was younger. Dobson knows who he is. That's why I mentioned the Federal Researve. I mentioned the Constitution PArty endorsement stuff before Libertarian. Read it. Critique it. But Please. Write your own message. Don't just copy mine. (I'm not a very good writer anyway. Use it for ideas though. I figure that with Dobson considering third party, that letting him know Ron Paul already has 3rd party support would help.
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Subject: Will you Endorse Ron Paul? He's the only true Christian Conservative in the GOP Race.
Ron Paul is a true Christian who lives his Christianity. He recently issued a statement of faith http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm in covenant news.
Not only that, he lives his faith. He's been happily married to only 1 woman in the last 50 years or so. As an OB/GYN who has delivered more then 4,000 babies, he's also very pro-life.
In congress he authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094. Included in this legislation, was wording to constitutionally limit federal courts appellate jurisdiction in this matter -- as article III of the constitution says the federal courts are able to be legally restrained by congress, so that Roe V Wade would be nullified by simple vote as long as president doesn't veto the legislation. You will stop seeing federal money going to Planned Parenthood with a Paul Presidency which still happens under the Bush Presidency. From his voting Record, Paul is actually much more Pro-Life the Bush.
Dobson's always talking about protecting the family. Well the income tax and the fact that we need to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet because the government taxes us so much means that 1 parent isn't able to stay home and take care of the kids. And so the government schools end up raising them instead and they fall through the cracks. Money problems are one of the main strains on marriage these days, and abolishing the income tax and cutting government spending down and replacing it with nothing, would go a long way to solve this problem.
This isn't that radical of a concept. The income tax only brings in maybe 30% of the federal revenues. In fact if the federal government budget were cut by the amount of money the federal income tax brings in, it would be as large as the it was at the end of the Clinton years. Yes. Government spending has grown that much. In my opinion as a conservative, that size of government that's still too big. Ron Paul agrees -- unlike every other contender for the Republican nomination.
Dr Congressman Paul also wants to deal with the inflation that Dr Larry Burkett used to talk about, by restraining the Federal Reserve and hopefully abolishing it eventually, and returning to some sort of commodity standard other then fiat or funny money.
Dr Congressman Paul is also very pro-home-schooling. In fact he'd like to see government out of education completely, and he's advocating abolishing the Dept of Education. As well he's introduced legislation in congress to help protect educational freedom.
Here's an actual Christian missionary in Columbia that writes about Ron Paul. http://achristianblogs.blogspot.com/search/label/Ron%20Paul
Dr Dobson has recently stated that if Gulliani, Romney, McCain, or Thompson gets the GOP nomination he won't endorse them and might endorse a third party, or would be seeking a dark horse candidate coming from the rear. But the Christian centric Constitution Party has already endorsed Ron Paul. An official Constitution Party statement recently stated that if Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, they will endorse him. The Presidential nominee for the Constitution Party last year, Michael Peourotka, has openly endorsed Ron Paul's run for the Republican Party Nomination already. http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=926
See also Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party VP
nominee last year. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/baldwin3.html
Ron Paul IS that Dark Horse. We have a real chance to get a strict Constitutionalist, and a Goldwater-Taft social and fiscal conservative actually IN the white-house in 2008. (In fact, Ron was only 1 of 5 republicans who endorsed Reagan for the 1976 nominee.) The fact is, Ron Paul has been raising as much money as John McCain, and has money money in the bank then him, and is pretty close to Fred Thompson in how much money he has on hand. And Ron Paul's $5 Million came from individuals with the average donation of $40. The money means he's a real contender. The fact the average donation is no small means he has widespread support. He's been rising in the polls also, and he has huge grassroots support (over 50,000 volunteers signed up on meet-up. ( http://ronpaul.meetup.com/ )
You're endorsement would really help to secure him the Republican Party nomination. If Paul wins the Republican nomination, the 3rd parties will campaign for the Republican candidate -- Ron Paul. And if Ron Paul wins the nomination, he'll win the White house.
Yes. Ron Paul is the only Republican Nominee who can beat Hillary. The Constitution party, by itself has been a spoiler in some states in many general elections for Republicans. So has the Libertarian party -- and they've endorsed Ron Paul too. They're willing to support a pro-life person because they believe abolishing the income tax and restoring liberty is more important. Past Presidential nominees and current people running for the Libertarian Nomination have openly endorsed Ron Paul. Both Michael Badnarik, and the late Aaron Ruso,
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/02/24/former-lp-preside...
both contenders for the LP Nomination last time (Badnarik WAS the nominee), and Steve Kubby, one of the main "frontrunners" in the LP Nomination this time around have all endorsed Ron Paul. Steven Kubby has said,
http://knappster.blogspot.com/2007/07/and-now-for-something-... and the general consensus in the LP is that, if Ron
Paul wins the Republican Nomination, they'll step down, endorse Ron Paul and maybe even actively campaign for Paul. There are several local county Constitution Parties and Libertarian Parties, and even 1 or 2 county level Green Parties who have openly endorsed Ron Paul already and aren't waiting to see if he wins the Republican party nomination.
Plus Ron Paul reaches out to the Reagan Democrats, where-as none of the others Republican candidates Reach out to them. But if the Republican Party endorses anybody else, they'll vote for Hillary.
With the 2 main spoiler parties for the Republican party actively endorsing and campaigning for the GOP nominee we will actually have a true conservative in the White House who lives his Family Values and will actively campaign to nullify or repeal Roe Vs Wade. And we know he'll do this because he been actively introducing legislation to do just that for the last 10 years he's been in Congress.
You will stop seeing federal money going to Planned Parenthood which still happens under the Bush presidency. Yes. Paul is known as Dr No in Congress, because he votes no on everything he believes is unconstitutional and lobbyists don't even go into his office because that know this about him. That he's a man of integrity. So he means what he says. We can turn Dr No into Dr Veto, and he'll Veto all those unConstitutional spending bills.
Thank you for your consideration.
Tracy Saboe
800 N Prairie Ave
Sioux Falls, SD 57104
605/330-8242
Chuck Baldwin columns
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/baldwin/ are generally quite positive to Dr. Paul, and negative on the RINO faction. They're useful tools for this sort of outreach.
JMR
In 88 some Pat Robertson People wanted to support ron
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DF133EF...
For the record, I just think these new evangelicals are trying to shit on Rudy. But, this is still worth a read.
Old School Repubs are NOT modern right-wingers
They are moderate, compassionate people who lead educated lives, stick to their family values and work their asses off to make life better for them and their families.
However, they have become quiet in the political arena. They have become the minority in the GOP. The neocons have slowly taken over. The neocons are socialist/fascist/blasphemes, not conservative or compassionate or Christian.
Old school repubs are hard to find actively participating in modern right-wing politics. The neocons have become the speaking voice for their party, which leaves them without a home- for 8 years, they have been stuck with the choice of voting for the lesser of two scandal-ridden evils.
The moderate, truly conservative Christians are not supporting the neocons, they simply stay out of the politics. They have become apathetic and numbed by FOX news, which is obviously biased toward the neocons- apparent to any rational thinking person.
The wonderful thing is, these people are slowly waking up as they hear Ron Paul. They regain their faith in politics to change the country back the way it was, or at least slow the decay. When they hear Ron Paul, they immediately gasp and say "I've never heard someone talk like this before! Who is this guy?"
These are the Ron Paul supporters all around you. They are the closet conservatives who keep a traditional set of values: moral character without pomp and pride, compassion for the less fortunate, slow-and-steady-wins-the-race type of people. They are the ones who disagree with the news and talk about it. They are not sheeple, just people who haven't had the chance to be represented in awhile and tend to be apathetic towards politics.
They WANT to hear the message of Ron Paul and we need to bring it to them. Just be brave! Tell everyone you run into- especially the ones who fit this description. When they hear his message, they will be attracted, but when they know how Ron Paul leads an exemplary life, they will feel akin to him and the campaign will continue to grow like wildfire. We are still in the exponential growth phase.
Government can't legislate morality
Government can't legislate sexual morality. Homosexuals are here, get used to it. Paul isn't for gay marriage. However, he is totally for almost all contracts between adults, including gays. The govt shouldn't be involved in any of it at all unless there's a contractual dispute. In fact, the govt should never even address sexual orientation, for or against.
Christians for Ron Paul
Well, I, for one, am an Christian and a die hard Ron Paul supporter. And so are all my friends (we're all about 30). If anyone knows of any Christians for Ron Paul groups in New York City where we are, please pass the info along. We'd be happy to be meet you and then later drink you under the table.
Unfortunately, most popular Christians, such as Dobson, are theological hacks. They can't make any distinction between the behavior demanded by God of a person and the behavior demanded of the state. Their vision of the state is the same as the humanist- an all emcompassing force for the imposition of orthopraxy. There are, if any Christians want to open the discussion, essentially four branches of goverment: the self, the family, the church, and the state- all are to be brought completely under the Lordship of Christ, but all have different roles to play, different tools by which to accomplish those means, and different jurisdictions. Tyranny can come in many forms when any one of the particular branches of government becomes aggressively dominant. When self government is dominant, you have antinomian anarchy. When it is the family, one has brutality in the home. If it is the Church, we have medieval, pre-reformation ecclesiastical absuse. And when it is the civil government, we have what we have today: a society wherein the civil government claims ultimate jurisdiction over the family, the church, and the private individual. Hard to believe there was once a time in this country where if you said the word "government", people would say, "what kind? Family, self, church, civil?" Now there is only the civil government, and what an authoritarian nightmare it will be for all citizens of this country, both Christian and non. The typical, conservative Republican's unbibilical handing over of excessive power to the civil authorities just so long as they impress upon the populace ostensibly "Christian" values is inherently unbibilical and will only lead to greater misery and lawlessness for all involved. One cannot acheive Christian ends via unChristian means and a godless philosophy of the role of civil government. If anyone out there knows of any way to help educate and inform our fellow Christians about what Christians (like, oh I dunno, the ones who founded this country) used to believe, let me know.
- J. Black, NY, NY
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt
One way to reach uncommitted Christian voters
Before I was aware that Ron Paul was in the race for president, I felt there was a desperate need to introduce uncommitted, apathetic voters to the libertarian solutions to the political/social problems the other two parties will never solve. I decided to reach these folks by appealing to their self-interest. With about a third of the US population nearing retirement age, I decided on creating a Web site that would be found by these people as they searched for retirement planning advice on the Web.
I chose the keyword "overlooked retirement dangers" and made the case that the biggest dangers to our peaceful enjoyment of our retirement are government-related and thus, can be directly solved by making a better choice of government representatives. When Ron Paul stepped into the picture, my prayers for a libertarian conservative candidate to correct all these retirement hazards (endless war, terrorism attacks, loss of our freedoms, hyperinflation, etc.) was answered.
I think my original premise is correct: there are large numbers of American voters who aren't aware of Ron Paul as being the answer to their discontent and that it is possible to reach them indirectly through their self-interest in protecting their family and loved ones in their retirement years. My problem is my lack of time and computer skills to make my site truly compelling and up-to-date, so that it is ready for prime time.
I would welcome any constructive suggestions or help (partnership?) before I begin to advertise the site and do PR. My aim is to educate and motivate apathetic voters to act in their self-interest and elect Ron Paul to lead this country. I agree that the conservative, caring Christian voters are a prime source of support for RP, but I'm not limiting my focus to them. We need all the primary votes we can get, but we need to reach them through the problem they know they have - and then offer them a simple, realistic solution: Ron Paul.
There are lots of great Web sites and blogs out there talking about Ron Paul. A lot of our focus is on "preaching to the choir," though. I'm suggesting a way to reach out to the small percentage who have given up and don't even know they're looking for a candidate, but they sense they've got problems. We have the answer to America's problems.
Would welcome feedback or technical help in developing my site to viral quality. Thanks.
www.defending-your-retirement.com/
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christians for ron paul meetup group
I have started a meetup group Christians for Ron Paul and I am trying to organize packages to send out the churches and christian leaders. If anyone is interested or has any ideas, please feel free to join the group. http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1052/
Jen
James Dobson
James Dobson was on Hannity and Colmbs tonight.
He kept saying he would not support anyone who was not pro life. Hannitty kept saying yea but then Hillary wins. Dobson said there may be a dark horse Candidate he could support. Hannity mentioned Huckabee and Dobson said he's one of them.
I hope Mr. Dobson gives Dr. Ron some points for the 4000 babies he has delivered and his solution to remove abortion from Federal court jurisdiction which would effectively overturn Roe v Wade overnight.
KMoore
May our efforts in support of Doctor and Congressman Ron Paul's Campaign to be President of these United States of America be blessed with supernatural productivity and success
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I agree Kevin
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But there's a snag: gay marriage, relationships, etc. I think for Dobson to support Ron Paul, Paul's position would have to be firmly anti-gay and anti-lesbian, and that is not something Ron Paul would do.
I think there are other candidates who are very anti-gay and Dobson would support them first.
Still, I like you "supernatural" term. Very good.
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In my personal opinion, as
In my personal opinion, as an evangelical, when someone says they will work to overturn RvW, and then they say most laws should not be federal but state. I see a huge potential in that. What the Christian right is able to do at that point is move state to state and get individual states to not support all other "immoral" type behavior. The south is locked in against most of that, Idaho & Utah are locked. N.M., Arizona, Texas & Skoggie.... About 32 states would not go for abortion, and non-traditional marriages. No more NEA and public funding crap.... HuckaBooBoo is not going to go against that stuff I can assure you. I will never NEVER trust anyone again who wears thier religion on thier sleeve. This P.O.C. in office tried that same crap and won the right. NEVER again. I know were R.P. stands, he doesnt address it because his record speeks for itself. Dr. D isnt going to announce his pick until the right time. He will pick R.P. I am a betting man because this is a no brainer... He probably buys into the "we need to protect the nation of israel" also. No, we dont... We need to support Israel- the people- not the nation..
Tim
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1040/
http://www.rxforliberty.com/10/
Cedar Park, Texas
5 Aug 2007
I'm a Christian and believe
I'm a Christian and believe that homosexuality is a sin. That being said, I also think that lying, adultery, stealing, lusting, etc. are all sins. As a Christian I was taught that everyone sins and that in Gods eyes, all sins are deplorable, but by the grace of Jesus we can be forgiven. My point here is that if other Christians hate gays, then they are hypocrites.
So what does Dobson want a candidate to believe on the gay issue?
Not allow gay marriage and stop the gay agenda. Right?
Well I disagree with Dr Paul on whether homosexuality is a sin but I completely agree with how it should be handled. I believe that marriage is a religious matter (covenant between two individuals and god) and should not be defined, regulated, or tampered with by the government in any way. It’s up to the church who can get married. If there is a G&L church that marries gays, oh well, I can’t stop that, but I also know that my God does not honor that covenant. As far as the gay agenda advancing gay rights, Dr. Paul doesn’t agree with this because all humans have the same rights. Not because their gay, female, or a minority. So I think if we encourage Dobson and others to realize these points they can fully support Dr. Paul.
Does Ron PAUL
Does Ron Paul think homosexuality is a sin?... I'm sure he does.. He is a Christian.. Dr. Paul says.. it is not up to the government to sanction the lifestyle or support it it is none of the Federal governments business what people do in thier personal lives as long as they are not hurting other people or there property. there should be NO EXTRA RIGHTS for any American period! So did DR. Paul say that homosexuality is not a sin??
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Ron Paul said..
Ron Paul said the homosexuality = sin issue is too complicated for him to say definitively one way or the other, and he's right. If you study the Greek texts in the New Testament where most modern translations show the Apostle Paul addressing homosexual behavior, it is open to interpretation whether he was referring to temple prostitutes, or all homosexuals.
CAMERON
read in the old testament... many intances where it talks about men and women laying down with their own kind.. ofcourse it is a sin.. but HEY! were here for the restoration of the constitution... I cannot and do not support the federal or state government to tell people not to be homosexuals!... they will stand before God 1 day,,, he is the judge// not me or the government! what people do in their personal lives is between God and the person.. God gave us all free will, and the bible to guide us to make the right choices. I think in Gods eyes there is no difference between the homsexual sin and the sin of fornication ,have sex with a person of the opposite sex before marriage! LETS JUST GET OUR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM BACK! Let God himself deal with each individual! SIN is Gods business not ours!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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The Old Testament says lots of things...
Look, if you're going to pull the Old Testament card then you had better be eating kosher and offering sacrifices to God. If you're not, then you're selectively choosing what to follow.
And don't pull that "But Jesus was the New Law and removed the Old Law" crap, because if you buy that then it voids the 10 Commandments.
The point is the Bible says lots of things. Who knows what it's supposed to mean. Ask God when you die.
I completely agree
I completely agree with SIERRAHPBT
What the hell is a sin? Gays
What the hell is a sin? Gays are born gay, and maybe someday in the future we will be able to alter genes to make everyone straight, and we can inflate the world more, and end the "gay agenda". RIIiiiighttttt...... if anything gays are a godsend, a great tool for population controll.
Ron Paul 08
Ron Paul 08
The homosexual conspiracy
The Homosexual agenda is one pushed upon us by the CFR. In fact, there aren't really any "gays" at all -because it's all a government conspiracy.
San Francisco was an inside job!
Yes, I'm kidding.
LOL
LOL TO FUNNY!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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If you're not a Christian,
If you're not a Christian, then you may not believe that homosexuality is a sin. I am and I believe in the word of God that defines homosexuality as a sin. I don't believe they are born gay, I believe it is a perversion from the devil. Just like little kids lying and stealing is an unconscious sin because they do not know better.
But most importantly, DON'T GET UPSET, because I'm not trying to force my beliefs on you. But at the same time the gays SHOULD NOT try to force their agenda on me.
werdd
Sorry dude.. but gays are not born.. it is a chosen lifestyle.. I was not born a smoker, so if i want to smoke I CHOOSE TO DO SO. same thing in a straight relationship. that man or women chooses to have sex and the person who they will do it with .. read your bible.. God says it is a sin for both lifestyles done outside of marriage!.
but I want to say.. this is a small issue.. we are here to get Ron Paul elected to restore the Constitution and our liberty and Freedom.. Your opinion of wether gays or born that way or not is cool with me.. thats what makes this campaign so great! there are so many people with different thoughts and ideas but were all in it for 1 thing.. to take our freedom back and get the that MONSTER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES.. THEY WORK FOR US .. WE DON'T WORK FOR THEM and hopefully in about a year it will change! RON PAUL IN 08!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Kinda long, but Paul
Kinda long, but Paul explains most of his Christian beiliefs in this interview:
http://theamericanview.com/dictator/media/898/aview_20070825...
He basically said he doesn't see it as a complicated issuse. But I agree, this is between them and God.