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This is the evidence of what consistent pressure of showing up at GOP events, entering the delegate cycle, and becoming central

This is the evidence of what consistent pressure of showing up at GOP events, entering the delegate cycle, and becoming central committee members has done to the party.

The CPAC straw poll analysis shows foundational moves in attitude.

http://youtu.be/5bg5Re4VZ0s

This is a game of attrition. The old guard is going away. We need to consistently and calmly continue being engaged. Another 5 to 10 years of this type of principled and philosophically motivated actions will change the party to one of sound currency, non aggressive FP, and protection of individual rights. But, it will only work as long as it is continually pressured from us, because the other side is also doing the same thing. It's a story as old as time of good vs evil.




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Pure overwhelming force was responsible for this win.

The young people at CPAC did this, not the GOP power brokers. These same people hated that Ron Paul won the straw poll twice, and they hate the fact that Rand has now also won it twice. If Ron Paul's history repeats itself, Rand and we should be ready for the big take down attempts that are coming his way after November. Be ready for the troll attacks.

I think winning is possible,

I think winning is possible, but it takes genuine effort, work and patience to flush the old guard out. It's possible that Rand will have to run multiple times in order to accomplish the task and that this run he will be similarly disenfranchised as Ron was.

Mind you, I also think that the system is broken and even if Rand wins this system will continue to be broken (it needs to be replaced), but for the first time in a long time winning is possible. It's possible, because the powers that be have overplayed their hands and the abuse of their power is starting to create pressure in places where there was no pressure before. Ron has also basically allowed for this once in a lifetime opportunity, by building the organization through DECADES of work and passing it along to his son, who seems to be more politically savvy.
The political process is mostly a process of 4-8 years for most people and because people view the political process with such a short time frame, they tend to fail. People actually forget that this unique moment that was created was not created suddenly, but actually took work far exceeding this timeframe and also because the stars seem to align in a favourable manner. RP's ideas only became popular after witnessing the total failure of the old ideas. Events seem to validate much of what RP has been saying.

I believe one of the reasons Rand is making headway where his father didn't, was because I think some of the old power is also starting to realize that change is necessary. There is a definite danger that they will never regain the presidency. Because while I do believe that Republicans and Democrats collude to shutout competition, they DO still compete with each other. Sure they can cheat and force a nominee on us, but if that nominee loses in a presidential election, it's meaningless. They need a nominee that can actually win and people are starting to realize that the old ideas will not allow them to do that. The total defeat of Romney has made this starkly clear. Notice that the attacks on Rand have been very weak compared to the attacks on Ron Paul.

I will not claim that Rand can win this time around, but he has a chance where none existed before. The old guard has actually lost control in some places and it's harder to game the system in those areas. Rand can become the nominee. More worrisome however is the presidential election. They can still disenfranchise him there through the electronic voting booths.

But it's worth noting that one shouldn't put all one's eggs in one basket. You always need a backup plan. I think it's worth the time and effort to put in the time in voting and trying to take control of the Republican party, but one should use other means as well to advance the cause.

Tell me again

how we're losing? How people are wasting their time? :)

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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exactly

it's hard to believe this is real life

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I know right?!

I freakin love it. Eat your hearts out quitters!

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Yes! glad some others still

Yes! glad some others still care.
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In it to win it, til blood runs in the streets.

Glad to also know we are not alone. This is proof, we are winning, we will win.

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Good Lord willin' and the

Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise....
We are in fact, winning local races, I know I keep saying that. But it just has not sunk in with some folks yet.

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+1 Not sunk in, or intentionally obfuscated

I don't want to believe the latter, but it's a distinct possibility.

Thank you guys for being the voice of reason, i really mean that!

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You too, it gets lonely

You too, it gets lonely sometimes. But we ain't the only ones. Good night.

I mean morning, stupid time change.

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The Middle. The Neighbors. Other sitcom families.

Watch either of these TV shows? The Hecks on The Middle. The Weavers on The Neighbors. This is who to close your eyes and think about when you're wondering who the most important people in America are. Non-passionate voters.

You cite the importance of working the machinery of elections, very true. It is also true that non-interventionism is gaining new converts among non-passionate voters. Average Joe's who have no clue what the 4th amendment is but like the idea this 'Rand' guy is fighting to make their cell phones private.

Without both approaches, a liberty candidate cannot win.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

or anyone else

for that matter.

Rand is right over the target for both crowds.

It will never happen...

...when the tyrants are allowed to kidnap and assault people with impunity. It will never happen when the tyrants are allowed to count the votes in secret and to ignore the votes that don't go their way. Chairmen don't have to relinquish their seat if they get voted out and can have duly elected chairmen assaulted and arrested if they actually try to take the position that they won. Party candidate and delegate selection processes do not fall under election law protections, which is why we always have a choice between two people that nobody wants to vote for. Fox News is already showing Jeb Bush as the favorite for the GOP nomination even though I have never met any Republican who has even mentioned Jeb as someone that they would consider. It reminds me of Romney 2.0. Jeb, like Romney is unelectable, even against Hillary.

We are winning over the minds of people. At CPAC, Palin's war mongering rally cries were met with jeers. It was my favorite part of the conference. I just don't see how people that work all day, every day can have the same resolve to fight this battle in the party against corrupt career polititians.

I guess I'm not alone

Well, then we better

roll up our sleeves and get creative. Cheering a solid victory for a change of attitude, then proclaiming hopelessness is not a very realistic position. What if the change you see in joe sixpack, is knocking on your own door? You'd have to give up your certainty of defeat. You would have to believe that Liberty is more powerful than tyranny, and that ideas can defeat bankers and industrialists.

That may have come across wrong

I am optimistic that we will either fix it or it will collapse under its own weight. I am optimistic about the awakening of the masses. I am not all that optimistic that those that count the votes will relinquish their powers and I think it will take physical force, if we want an accurate count and transfer of power to the winners, to counter the physical force that will be used against us. If we are not willing to force fair elections then why bother participating. We would be better off calling the whole federal government illegitimate and starving it to collapse.

I guess I'm not alone

I agree. people that give up

I agree. people that give up on the older folks or the party give up in general... the reality is there is NO 3rd party right now nor will there be in the near future to join that would win...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I used to think that too, then I got wiser

Ron Paul won CPAC too.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

yeah, or perhaps

It's not that Rand is changing the Party, but that the Party is changing Rand. Just compare his statement on Ukraine with that of his dad. Or what Rand said on Fox News this morning:

I see my foreign policy in the same line as what came out of probably the first George Bush... I see it coming out of mainstream of the Republican position.
(http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/rand-paul-my-fo...)

New World Order anyone?

You know how the anti-war left went completely silent after Obama got into office? Watch the same thing happen with the Rand enthusiasts, if Rand wins and starts a war of his own.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Huh? You do realize what he

Huh? You do realize what he was talking about, right?


http://youtu.be/F9SOVzMV2bc

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

that's the second Bush

he was talking about the first Bush

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

No, he as talking Bush when

No, he as talking Bush when he wsa running as a candidate, like Ron has been doing for YEARS!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

The quote directly says "first George bush"

See above

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Yeah, that's right, H.W.

I don't know what he was thinking. I thought he was positioning himself within the spectrum of opinion within the Republican Party, but who knows? My interpretation makes sense in the context that Mike Wallace's son was trying to paint Ron Paul's son with the same brush he used against Rand's father. It takes a steely, focused resolve to battle professional attacks on Sunday morning talk shows. He did very well. He's very skilled. I'm willing to give Rand the benefit of the doubt, until I see him actually violate Constitutional precepts.

Not my experience

I didn't join the GOP in 07/08 when there was a lot of pressure. I just couldn't ever be a Republican. In 2011, when Ron announced his second run, I knew that he was not going to leave the GOP, so I joined. I was the only Ron Paul Republican on my county committee. Now there are four.

Let me put it this way. When Ron ran in 08, there was no one seated on most committees to do anything but wave signs in the streets. By 2012, that had changed. The old guard was headed out and are heading out while the Ron Paul.. now Rand Paul Republicans have stepped up. "We are the future".

There is still a BIG fight in the GOP (CENSURE PREIBUS!). DP is very kind to me by comparison to some of the GOP old guard who loathe Ron Paul, because when they act to hurt you, they do it on a very personal "close to home" level. DP helps keep me in shape.

So Ron paul cjhanged the GOP when he invited us in to become his delegates, and many of us remained because we worked so hard to get that seat. The whole tamale has been one big fight with the GOP, media.. but Rand is doing well because we are hanging in there.

actually, Granger

You are a perfect example. You went Israel crazy after joining the GOP.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

But

It wasn't the GOP that changed my perspective.

My perspective now is more like Israel is a hub with many spokes, and the USA, it's parties, businesses, expanded government are like a wheel with spokes attached to, of, for, with Israel and they each have THEIR reason, so they don't all agree. Someone who has an interest profiting off Israeli tech in the weapons industry does not have the same interest as someone who has an interest in profitting off alternative energy, or media, or many spokes.

That is why someone can support Israel but not support AIPAC and or the ADL, or they can support JDL but not Hagee, or support Orthodox Jews but not Askenazi...

For myself, it's when I saw Israel coming up with solutions for alternative energy and the investment programs they have.. leading up to my seeing how Israel thrives while the rest of the world goes into declaine. I think we have a lot to learn from Israel, but if others prefer to be "anti-Israel".. it's theri loss, and they're happy, so I'm happy.

It's funny that

anti-Rand people are so butt-hurt that he's not his father. They don't shrug, they attack. What's up with that? Are they more invested in Rand than supporters?

why do you interpret my shrug as an attack?

hmmmm?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

If you were shrugging

you wouldn't be here posting.

Why dont you spend your energy attacking Ted Cruz?

Its because you like to seem like you are better than us. you get a kick out of thinking you are more pure. pathetic