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Rand Paul on Sunday Fox News With Chris Wallace March 9, 2014



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Rand appears to be getting stronger with every passing week

Landmines and leading questions which might have caused him trouble even a year ago are now easily avoided, if not turned to his advantage.

This is great as we can bet some MAJOR attacks -- both from within and without Repub ranks -- are already being planned to take him out. This is all practice for Rand; and he needs practice to go against the big time slimes.

Notice how adroitly he sidestepped certain loaded questions and issues (e.g,. the behavior and character of other Republicans) and said things which were accepted as answers ... but were not ... and repeated one of his core messages.

Guys. Ron Paul couldn't get elected because he was too directly honest. Yes, that got OUR support -- but we are hardly typical Americans. Ron Paul was a gentleman, scholar, and statesman; never a very effective politician.

Rand Paul is actually practicing a much more delicate game: tell the truth but on your own terms. Stall or deflect, without lying, when you are being set up or tag-teamed.

We are running out of time as a Republic. We need someone to WIN and win big; not another person to be easily marginalized by dark forces who have NO ethics and no compunction about lying, stealing, subverting, or killing.

So I am really getting hopeful about Rand Paul. The deep ethics of his father but in a more sophisticated package.

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On another topic. What is it with the 41% Jeb Bush vs. 39% Rand Paul statistic? Jeb Bush isn't in the public limelight as far as I am aware. And the *BUSH* name is so associated now with dog feces after that last exposure (Obama couldnt' have won without BUSH) that it is almost the kiss of death. So how is Jeb Bush even in the running?

I, personally, would probably rather take my chances with Hillary and Bill than take a flyer on another of the accursed Bushwackers. Is there REALLY a secret fetish in the Republican ranks for another couple rounds with the corrupt and souless Bush family in the Presidency? Have we REALLY sunk THAT low?

Enquiring minds want to know. Well..I do, anyway.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

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Clear reality: like fathers, like sons.

Wallace: trash begets trash
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Rand: Liberty begets Liberty

What is wrong with Rand Paul?

He doesn't even mention the Victoria Nuland/Pyatt audiotapes, let alone the Eutonian Foreign Minister's audio tapes which are added support to this US COUP.

One very, very important point he could've made is that evidence is pointing to a US – led COUP. It was the US that started this, and he could've said that.

I'm so tired of these politicians, including Rand Paul that choose to "play games" with the MEDIA and other politicians, like as if it's going to get him anywhere in the first place.

He is not going to win the election, whether anybody wants him to or not. If Ron Paul couldn't win the election, then Rand Paul certainly can't. I also think he is going to have a much, much more difficult time raising money for the election process. I, for one, will not be donating this time.

Can't understand where you are coming from

"He doesn't even mention the Victoria Nuland/Pyatt audiotapes, let alone the Eutonian Foreign Minister's audio tapes which are added support to this US COUP."

How, exactly, would his pounding the table on this help him get elected to the *US* presidency? If the Estonian PM tape, in particular, is to be taken as truth (that is, not just the PM's opinion but actually PROVEN FACT...which it is not) that would make the RUSSIAN POSITION STRONGER and paint the *US* as the evil empire. Are you really so disconnected from common sense as to think rubbing the US nose in dog crap is going to be a winning strategy in US politics??

"He is not going to win the election, whether anybody wants him to or not. If Ron Paul couldn't win the election, then Rand Paul certainly can't."

I'd love to hear your rationale for this -- imo -- completely absurd and certainly completely unsupported statement. But make your case. I'd sincerely like to hear it. Make it a strong statement, backed by facts and logic, and I'll really be impressed.

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

Yuck

These are my top 3 most despised media talking heads.
David Gregory
Chris Wallace
Diane Sawyer

Whenever one of these 3 show up in a clip I just boil inside.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I love the mainstream media

How would i know what I'm supposed to think if it weren't for them?

But Maddow, Schultz,

But Maddow, Schultz, O'Reilly, Hannity, Burnett, Cooper, Sharpton, Matthews, Scarborough, Levin and Limbaugh are all okay?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Don't

hear what I'm not saying.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

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Let me know how well it works for you sir, as it worked for our family and others well!

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It is good to see Rand Paul sticking to his guns

Ron Paul went through a lot of attacks from this "commentator". Then again, this guy even gave Bill Clinton a hard time over Bin Laden when Clinton was there to talk about his global initiative. I mean he is just pushing some agenda. The questions are so loaded that it is ridiculous. I'll vote for Rand Paul. Hopefully they count all the votes.

Remember Iowa? So what's

Remember Iowa? So what's going to change this time!? I dont knowy'all, I really don't know.

The rogue nation is the U.S. not Russia.

Rand Paul has always struck me as someone who does not understand what is going on in the world or what role his country is playing in the continuing violence everywhere. In this he is very much a typical American and appeals to Americans on that score.

This strikes me as odd given his father's somewhat better understanding of foreign policy so it may be that he is simply playing politics. It is difficult to tell. However on the evidence so far I would venture to say that, so far as foreign policy is concerned, he would not be much different than Clinton or Bush or Obama in promoting the interests of the egregious American Empire.

A recent article on this subject, by Professor James Petras at Global Research, is worth reading:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-advancing-empire-putsc...

Why anyone who is truly awake would support him or any of his opponents at CPAC is beyond me. It seems to me that the Ron Paul Revolution is over, at least for the non-interventionist libertarian. It looks like we'll have to depend on other powers to bring down the American Empire.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Really?

You wrote:
"Why anyone who is truly awake would support him (Rand Paul) or any of his opponents at CPAC is beyond me. It seems to me that the Ron Paul Revolution is over, at least for the non-interventionist libertarian. It looks like we'll have to depend on other powers to bring down the American Empire."

The Ron Paul Revolution is not even close to over, it is just getting started. That was the whole point of 'awakening' people to what has been going on. Just the other night at the CPAC we heard that wonderfully familiar sound echoing "President Paul, President Paul" when Dr. Rand Paul was announced the winner, and it sounded great.
Also, it doesn't sound like you're a consistently principled "non-interventionist" yourself, if you support Putin's annexation of a region of a sovereign Ukraine, much in the way that Hitler annexed the Sudatenland of Czechoslovakia. I didn't support U.S. invasion of Iraq of Afghanistan, and I won't support another super power invading another weaker nation. Because I'm objective, and consistent in my principles.
As for your brilliant plan; "looks like we'll have to depend on other powers to bring down the American Empire"...
Do you actually think American patriots want to rely on "other powers", which I assume you must mean Russia (and others), to "bring down" America?
I want to RESTORE the AMERICAN REPUBLIC!
The "American Empire", as you refer to it, isn't American at all. It is a NWO globalist, elitist empire that is selling the American people, the Constitution, the U.S. dollar, and individual liberty and national sovereignty down the tubes.

If I wanted to rely on foreign interests to "bring down America" I'd vote for Ted Cruz or Obama or another ineligible puppet.

We need to concentrate on RESTORING the American Republic. That means confronting the REAL problem which is global elitism, and their plot for a New World Order, which all we're seeing right now is symptom of.

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Hitler?

You sound like Hillary Clinton. That is exactly the parallel she drew, with Hitler and the Sudetenland. This is not even close to the truth of the matter. I have responded to this view in another post below.

As I said "from a non-interventionist point of view" the Ron Paul Revolution is over. Who exactly in the political sphere with a hope of being elected is still carrying the flag for non-intervention? It seems to me that the focus of American libertarians has turned inwards which is not surprising given the serious problems your country is experiencing as it is being turned into a bankrupt police state. In other words the American Empire may well implode with some assistance from China and Russia on the economic front. This will happen sooner rather than later.

The "global elitists" you speak of are Anglo-American, the neo-liberal, neo-colonial powers. It is they who are attempting to set up a world government and their design was to bring Russia and China into that orbit. These two powers however are not at this time willing to go along with their plans.

As to Russia intervening in Ukraine, they have only responded to the government of Crimea's request to honour the result of a coming referendum if the people vote to re-join Russia in the Russian Federation. (Crimea was a part of Russia for three hundred years until 1954 when Kruschev bequeathed it to Ukraine which was at the time also part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is the birthplace of the Russian nation.)

In other words it would be the decision of the people of Crimea that is in response to the violent putsch in Kiev by the U.S./EU financed and managed opposition which includes neo-Nazis who were responsible for the killings and violence in the putsch and who have made inflammatory statements against Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukrainian and Russian are virtually identical languages both being descended from the East Slavic tongue along with Belarusian. The name Slav is derived from "Slovenim" meaning people who speak the same language.

The only ones who benefit from all the demagoguing that is going on in this regard are those whose agenda is to secure the wealth of Ukraine for themselves, not for the Ukrainian people. That is the banking corporate cabal based in the US/UK/EU. It is they who have been subverting law and order in Ukraine for a long time while Russia has stood aside, being itself in a parlous state after the fall of the Soviet Union. They did the same thing in Russia after the fall but Putin has brought that to an end and has taken steps to halt the actions of Western banks and corporations and prevent the break-up of Russia as contemplated by the doctrine of Zbigniew Brzezinski who is an influential advisor to Obama.

If you read this link entitled "America’s Advancing Empire: Putsch, Pillage and Duplicity" it will give you a reasonably accurate picture of the situation and the U.S. role in it.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-advancing-empire-putsc...

I do understand your desire to separate the actions of your government from the desires of the American people but the U.S.government does I believe still represent the thinking of most Americans on foreign policy. Even your own comments indicate that you still see Russia as "the enemy" and this is being exacerbated by the narrative promoted by the corporate media.

We mostly agree I believe on the nature of the forces at work in the world. We differ mainly in regard to emphasis and how it is being directed. My own belief is that the people we call the banking and corporate cabal are directed by satanic powers and that these powers are now in retreat having been overcome in the spiritual realm. This defeat has been manifesting in the world situation since 2007 after a spiritual battle in Babylon, New York, with the words "It is finished". Many battles were also fought in 2001 and the victories won at that time appear to be manifesting in 2014. So, it is very likely we should see some evidence of this in the financial markets and in the global economy as Babylon continues to fall.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Hillary Clinton? Please don't insult me like that...

So what if she was also capable of drawing the obvious parallel between the two situations... So have many other people. Hillary is such a globalist it's not even funny.

Certainly PUTIN is NOT "carrying the flag of non-intervention".

If you're wondering whether I think we (U.S.A.) should get involved over there militarily, the answer is NO.
That doesn't mean Americans cannot or should not interject their opinions and or their free-market choices to do business with those whom they choose.

Rand Paul sounds relatively non-interventionist on this particular situation. He's basically saying to Russia that this action doesn't make them look good, and it will hurt them politically in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's true, and those are natural consequences of a move like this. As it was when the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and drone Pakistan, Yemen, etc...

If you actually believe the "globalists" are only in the "western" governments you are delusional, and you are buying 100% into the Moscow-based propaganda.

One of the MAIN GOALS of the NEW WORLD ORDER as stated is to decrease the standing of the U.S.A., the constitution, the Dollar, and individual liberty. China and Russia are to be propped up on a higher stage, and will be the 'world-police'. The globalists have long been saying this will be a Chinese century, and America is in decline. It is not a natural decline, it is an orchestrated decline. This plot goes way back, and it really got started in 1913.

You should check out this thread, read the article from 1948 LIFE Magazine... Pretty much tells you that the World government plans are laid, and Russia will move to the right and USA will move to the left and we all meet in the "middle" at Corporatist Socialism, of course under the control of a World Government...

http://www.dailypaul.com/304145/the-chicago-plan-1948-life-m...

And here is another that tells us the same thing, but is more about the Cold War and Russia/USA relationship...

http://www.dailypaul.com/298266/weekend-watching-classic-g-e...

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The parallel may be "obvious" but it is superficial. Dig deeper.

A more appropriate parallel from that period in history, although not one I would personally subscribe to, is the division of Poland between Hitler and Stalin. This also fits better with your own conceptual framework of the two sides being in collusion towards the same end. This places the U.S./EU/NATO axis in the role of Hitler and Nazi Germany, who were the original aggressors, and the Russian Federation in the role of Stalin and the U.S.S.R. who went along to serve their own ends.

As I said, I do understand your thinking on this issue; I just do not agree with it. It is true that the other world powers, China and Russia in particular, have co-operated with the Anglo-American neo-imperialists to build the New World Order for many years, but this co-operation has ended. This decision was made finally, I believe, after Libya and the first widening of the gap was Syria when China and Russia exercised their UNSC veto. These two nations have been appointed by God to bring down the global banking and monetary system which is the foundation of Mystery Babylon. They are the "kings of the East" being brought forth for the final battle to defeat Babylon (Revelation 16/17). The kings of the East in the Old Testament were Persia and Media. Today they are China and Russia. It is interesting that in the year when Darius the Mede took control of the kingdom he was 62 years old. (Daniel 5:31) This year on October 7, 2014, Vladimir Putin turns 62 just two days before Rosh Hashanah this year.

Behind these events has been a major spiritual warfare campaign against Mystery Babylon that began in 1993 and ended in October 2006. The collapse of the globalists' designs began in 2007. This was also when cracks began to appear in the entente cordiale between the West and the East. If you are interested you can read about this campaign in "The Wars of the Lord" by Dr. Stephen Jones, a Christian teacher who was a leader in this campaign in which I also took part both when I knew about it and when I didn't. It may well open your eyes to a wider perspective.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/wars-of-t...

The Word of God has been my foundation for a long time and even more so in recent years. Ultimately the Truth can be found only in the words and actions of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Kingdom.

We are naturally fascinated by the deeds of darkness, especially if we are naturally intellectually curious. However it is wise to be cautious about becoming so involved in them that we lose sight of the Light. We should be aware of the actions of the adversary but we must be even more alert to the voice of our Commander in whose cause we serve. We are living in dangerous times in the world especially in the spiritual realm. There are deceiving spirits everywhere appealing to us on many levels. These we must learn to discern and defeat using the armour of God and the sword of the Spirit. We need have no fear. Our enemy is a defeated foe. We must simply learn this truth, understand and believe it. This is what sets us free.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I agree with much of your first paragraph...

But you're still confusing the U.S., and "the west" with the corrupt politicians, banksters and corporatists here and abroad that are selling the American people down the river to the globalist NWO that is using China and Russia as the brute force to destroy the U.S. so it can destroy individual liberty and free-markets.

Please, tell me what in Chinese or Russian history, especially in the last hundred years would lead me to believe their governments care about individual liberty? The Soviet Union allegedly fell not barely over 2 decades ago, which is nothing in the scope of history. So short in fact, that Putin, an actual "former" KGB himself, is now the Russian President. You think he thinks he Soviet Union is dead? Putin is quoted as saying he believes "the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century..".

You're also forgetting people in Ukraine likely had more to do with toppling the government there, which was extremely corrupt and crushing the economy, than the U.S. or E.U. or Russia did, and than the MSM from either "side" would ever admit. It is more evidence to me that this is a globally coordinated (NWO) effort to have military forces come in guarantee that the Ukraine region does not become a Free People's Republic, or become a functioning, sovereign nation with a thriving free-market and government accountable to it's people. That it remains under globalist control.

The rest of that "Mystery Babylon" stuff you're going on about...
???

I don't know what to say... America is mostly Christian, with strong Judeo-Christian values while China murders baby girls and Russia for much of the past 100+ years had an atheist government. So did China under Mao.
I'm not buying that G-d is talking about them, nor than "Mystery Babylon" as you put it, is America and the American people.

'Mystery Babylon' is most likely the New World Order and the ancient mystery religion... America, and true followers of G-d like millions of Christians and Jews and others in America are the enemy of that Satanic New World Order.

That's why they're trying to take our guns, and putting up FEMA camps, and militarizing the police, and DHS buying over a billion rounds of hp bullets, etc., etc... They are NOT on America, or Americans side, and America is infiltrated... Ron Paul represents America's values, NOT Bush & Clinton & Obama, who are self-admitted GLOBALIST NWO scum... they don't admit the scum part...

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Soft on Russia?

Didn't they say the same thing about Kennedy?

I have one simple question after seeing this interview...

Is there a bigger piece of shit in the media than Chris Wallace???

Don't forget when he said this to Ron Paul at one of the republican debates...

"So, Congressman Paul ... you're basically saying that we should take our marching orders from al Qaeda?" Fox host Chris Wallace asked. "If they want us off the Arabian Peninsula, we should leave?"

"No!" Paul replied sharply, pointing his pen at Wallace, and continuing to wave it throughout his response. "I'm saying we should take our marching orders from our Constitution. We should not go to war without a declaration. ... This is an aggressive invasion. We've committed the invasion of this war, and it's illegal under international law. That's where I take my marching orders, not from any enemy."

~~~WELL SAID DR. PAUL!

Video at this site in case you forgot about this exchange:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_host_accuses_Paul_of_takin...

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

CBS / NYT poll was obviously bogus or rigged

Look at this graphic lol Jeb Bush 41%? Bullshit.

Then CPAC 2014 poll, with actual voters. Jeb Bush didn't even get more than 1%, he isn't even named. He's lumped in with all the rest of "other," who also didn't get more than 1%.

I hate FOX "News," I can't stand NYT either. Liars.

Thank god these propanganda station(s) are falling apart

Most people know they can't trust MSM for truth.

NOSHEEPLE

I don't know about that. I believe most HERE don't trust the

MSM, but out in the heartland it's still believed by the FOX Vs CNN sheeple. Our numbers are growing though!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Very sad but true my friend

I see that in a lot of family and friends. It makes me sick.
The brainwashing is so complete to some folks, it will always have an audience.

NOSHEEPLE

Jeb told CPAC not to include

Jeb told CPAC not to include him, they listened. Look it up. He knew he would be creamed.

"@SenRandPaul: We will

"@SenRandPaul: We will isolate Russia if they continue to act like a rogue nation." 3/9/14 6:16 am

Wallace is just a blowhard on TV that only dumbass conservatives take seriously. It's Rand Paul, a US Senator who's lobbing threats at a nuclear power acting in its own sphere of influence. Who the fuck is worse?

By "acting in it's own sphere of influence" do you mean...

...annexing a region of foreign nation?

Russia under Putin is literally invading a foreign, sovereign nation with troops, helicopters, tanks, armored vehicles, etc... Using overt, & covert tactics, espionage, & subversive state-run media propaganda. They are literally only allowing pro-Russian media to be televised in occupied Crimea.

How is that not "acting like a rogue nation" as Rand put it?
Was it not wrong when U.S. invaded Iraq & Afghanistan? It was. And it is wrong for Putin to invade a foreign country unprovoked as well.

It is obvious to me that Obama administration, along with many private, governmental and corporate interests in the U.S., E.U., and Russia (globalists) are working together (New World Order).

Certain executive branch agencies of the U.S. government (as well as E.U.) spent billions of tax-payers' dollars to destabilize the Ukraine. Obama is a Marxist Manchurian-Candidate who told Medvedev to tell Putin he'd have more leeway after the fixed election. Putin "former" KGB. Looks like a deal was made, and some concessions by the western globalists were made to Russia, as payment. This has already been done in the U.S. with China, where they got 70% of GM after the bailout, and when Detroit collapsed anyway, the Chinese bought up tons of land on the cheap. I could go on for days connecting the dots and painting the picture. Long term this is all part of NWO plan to start WW3, or coerce all nations into a World Government as the solution to "The Bomb". The U.N., as an organization, would be the obvious benefactor. And Russia and China increase their standing while the U.S. takes a lesser role.

All part of the very well documented and now openly published plan.

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Russia has not "annexed" the Crimea.

While I understand your view that Russia is acting knowingly in concert with the EU and the US in this affair, in a Hegelian dialectic drama, I disagree with this way of looking at it. I have considered it myself but have concluded that on this occasion that Russia and China are outside the orbit of the Anglo-American sphere and have been a target of the cabal since the fall of the USSR. Indeed it is my opinion that Russia and China will be instrumental in bringing about the collapse of the Empire in the next three years, starting from 2014.

The Crimean people have decided to hold a referendum on whether to join the Russian Federation as an autonomous republic, exactly the same status they have in Ukraine. Not a shot has been fired and the only forces Russia has sent to Crimea are to strengthen its existing naval installations there which is permitted under the existing agreement.

The Western corporate media have suggested that Russia has "invaded" Crimea or has "annexed" Crimea but this is merely propaganda to demonise President Putin and Russia. The cabal are accusing Russia of their own crimes which is S.O.P. for them. They have on their own admission spent $5 billion paying preferred politicians and NGO's to organise protests and riots in order to bring Ukraine into the EU and NATO i.e. to annex it to that undemocratic fascist institution and its military arm. Just as they did with Russia immediately after the collapse of the USSR they seek to pillage the country and secure its wealth for the Western bankers and corporations who need it to shore up their balance sheets.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Not annex? Then what would you call it?

Propaganda does not come from one side only.
Russia is NOT the victim here. Stop with that non-sense.

This is the very definition of annexation no matter how you choose to look at it. Maybe I can choose to view 6 as 9? Would that be fine?

Please don't try and convince me that it's ok for Russia to be bad because the U.S. and the "west" are so bad too. So what, we're already trying to fix the problems here, last thing we need is Russia going and starting WW3. Which clearly Obama and the corrupt leadership here are totally in cahoots with. Afterall, this will keep these leaders in power during this time of world-wide awakening, and libertarian sentiment growing.

The "referendum" the people in Crimea just decided to have all together like one big happy family, just so happened to NOT come until there was a foreign Russian army occupying the streets and controlling all media communications.
I "choose" to view that as someone putting a gun to my head and saying "vote for me or else".

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I might calling it "Letting the Crimean People have SOMEchoice"

Many of the "little" (in international power) countries of Europe were created by conquering empires, who would draw the lines so the countries contained two or more populations who were strikingly different in culture and often traditional enemies, or who would move in some of their own people or groups from other conquests into a conquered land.)

With these groups forced to live under a common government, and too evenly balanced to be decicive, any political winner was virtually guaranteed to offend (and probably oppress) the losing faction(s) and create strife, which would tend to escalate into civil war. The result was that the people of the country could only reduce war and oppression by inviting the relatively-neutral conqueror to arbitrate and rule them.

The Romans did this. China did this. Britain did this. Russia - both Czarist and Soviet - did this. Essentially all the colonial powers of Europe did this. Perhaps every empire did this. Because it works. It creates dependent "countries" that serve as buffer states in war and an economic and political resource in peace.

Ukraine is such a country. It includes two major population goups concentrated in two regions with very different orientations. At the moment the pro-western group is larger and more powerful, which means that if it goes with the West with the "country" intact it will drag the pro-Russian group with it. While it would be nice if everybody could get out from under governments and go their own way, it's not likely to happen there any time soon (though, given Ukrane's history with Anarchist movements, it might happen eventually). But splitting it into two parts, roughly along the lines of the groups' political preferences, gives more of the people the ability to join their preferred multinational alliance.

Of course with Russia determining the split you can count on including as much resouce and population in "Crimea" as they can manage without risking the failure of the referendum.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

No, Russia is not "the victim".

The Ukrainian people are the victims since they have been used as pawns in a game played primarily between the Western bankers and corporations and the local Communist leaders who, after the fall of the Soviet Union, sought to line their own pockets, often in cahoots with the aforesaid bankers. The politicians in Ukraine since the country gained its independence have been uniformly corrupt and the West has taken advantage of this to advance its own agenda.

The reason Yanukovych refused to sign the agreement of association with the EU was primarily for economic reasons and to protect the local oligarchs from the depredations of the EU oligarchs who would seek to do to Ukraine what they have done to other countries, including Russia, until Putin came to power.

We have relatives in the West of Ukraine and they say that they know the U.S. is behind the problems they are having and they know the government is lying to them. I do suggest you read the link I have given to you in two previous posts. There is abundant evidence available to support the position I have taken. To characterise Russia as a predator as you have done is simply not true. I do understand your thinking on this but you are mistaken about the intentions of Russia. It is neither predator nor prey, although at one time it was the target for takeover by the Anglo-American elites. That time has now passed.

Russia is seeking to protect its own hegemony as would any other world power in its position but it is doing so in a lawful manner. They did not hold a gun to the head of the Crimean people, many of whom are Russian citizens and the majority of whom are Russian speakers. To characterise the situation as you have done is once again to blame the Crimean government for the crimes of the Kiev government which did indeed gain power through the barrel of a gun by which many were killed. No one in Crimea has been killed as a result of recent events. The U.S inspired and directed Kiev events are what started the most recent problems and it is far from over. My own view is that Russia is doing what it can to avoid further escalation but according to news we have had from West Ukraine the opposite is true of the government there and its backers in the U.S./EU/NATO axis.

If this view doesn't make sense to you then by all means refute it with factually based arguments. At no time have I advanced the notion that the evil actions of the American Empire would justify evil actions by the Russian Federation. If that were the case then I would have said so.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)