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"Your Reason for Hating Rand Paul Sucks"

By Bonnie Kristian | March 10, 2014

Ron Paul is retired from Congress and the liberty movement he inspired is bigger than ever. Instead of one candidate all libertarians like, they now have dozens of candidates asking for their support.

And these candidates aren’t perfect. While Rep. Justin Amash has been dubbed the “new Ron Paul,” most politicians claiming the liberty label really aren’t consistently pro-liberty.

Take GOP Senator Ted Cruz. A constitutionalist who drew wide support from top liberty movement organizations, he’s perhaps the best-known advocate of free-market healthcare. Cruz is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, opposes the TSA and NDAA, and wants to let young people opt out of Social Security.

But Cruz also wants to keep fighting the failed war on drugs, ran on a platform of growing our already wasteful and bloated military, and took at best a tepid response to the NSA revelations.

So do libertarians vote for him or not?

Or, on the Democratic side, there’s Senator Ron Wyden. He’s a staunch opponent of civil liberties abuses from the PATRIOT Act, the NSA, and internet regulations like SOPA and PIPA—all important issues. He even voted against the bank bailout and criticized the stimulus.

But Wyden also supports gun control, backed U.S. intervention in Libya, and voted against the Balanced Budget Amendment.

So is he pro-liberty or anti-liberty?

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Mitch McConnell?

Why did Rand endorse Mitch? Jesse Benton. Jesse Benton is the campaign manager for Mitch. Political favors is no different for rand. I STAND WITH MATT BEVIN!

This whole damn battle

This whole damn battle started with him endorsing Mitt. Don't you get it?! Rhetoric is RHETORIC!

the same reason ron endosed lamar smith over sheriff mack

Why did Ron endorse lamar smith over sheriff mack? it's called politics.

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How about

each person does their own research.

How about we don't identify ourselves with a party (this includes libertarians).

How about people just vote for who they want and not who some article tells them to.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I'll never forget the Romney endorsement, sorry not sorry

Rand Paul is more useful in the Senate. We need more people in the Congress to filibuster and serve as liberty advocates. We all know that the presidency is controlled. I don't want to miss my lessons from the Obama supporters who were utterly disappointed when they voted for Hope and Change. I don't want to be disappointed when I think I'm voting for liberty and restoration.

In retrospect, I am beginning to realize that the Ron Paul move to be president was most likely in preparation for Rand. I didn't see it back when I was a campaigner for Paul in 2012. I didn't want to see it. But in following what has happened so far, the way Rand tries to walk the line between conservative and libertarian, and the attention he's been getting, it just seems more and more likely to me that the whole thing was probably set up for him. It's politics, what do you expect? But as my title says, I'll never forget the Romney endorsement. If Rand's campaign is more organized and well-funded than Ron's, and if he gets more debate time and exposure, then all of us Ron Paul supporters enraged about the unfairness in the previous years should take a long, hard look at what kind of strings would be attached to a Rand presidency.

If there was one thing I learned from Ron Paul, it was consistency. And I would hope that that means consistency in criticism.

"Reformers perceive the crisis others do not detect." -DNW

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This title sucks

And that is the truth.

He's the man.

Why don't you just edit the title?

Just wondering

~My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I’ve finished two bags of M&Ms and a box of Junior Mints. I feel better already.

I would agree the title sucks +1

but the content is important. I think it's important for those of us who still believe we can use the political process to evaluate how and when we vote and support, and the repercussions of said votes. I think the discussion is important regardless of opinions. :)

Edit:

For myself the first issue i always go to is the second amendment. It gives a good barometer in my opinion of how the person understands rights and self ownership. However, it's a given that it isn't perfect. There are plenty of people who support the 2A and have no idea of about natural rights, they simply support the 2A for political means.

I would be very interested in hearing other peoples barometer. Please share! :D

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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thanks

you're reading my mind

Michael Nystrom's picture

Why strangerr!!!

Fancy seeing you around these parts.

Nice to have the backup.

You're always in my thoughts, friend, and I hope all in your neck of the woods is well.

As for me, I'm about to go saw some logs.

ZZZZzzzzzzzz....

Good night friend.

He's the man.

This is a video of the real rand paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5odNzKVbk

There is a cheeseball.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

This Youtuber sure has it out for Rand. Watch him fail.


http://youtu.be/2of6gHG-4us

To Clarify - Watch the youtuber fail, not Rand.

i stand with Rand

i like his father better.

I would love to have this writer over for dinner

And offer her a glass of water that is 95% free of my feces.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

lol, I like the way you

lol, I like the way you phrased that.

Big

bump, I am sticking with Rand till the end. I will not be swayed, I will let him do his job.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Why not use a trust but verify approach to Rand?

Rand has watched his father be ignored, ridiculed, lied about, and worse by the GOP establishment and media. Why on earth would he be a turncoat? Could Rand be the ultimate evil bad guy who stabs his dad in the back, setting back every effort made by all of us? Sure. And Obama could be a liberty lover in hiding, waiting for his last months in office to undo everything thing his puppeteers have made him do. I see both as highly unlikely.

Even Ron would be proud of libertarians desire to distrust Rand or even himself. "America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government." he said. It is healthy to keep an eye on Rand and hold his feet to the fire. It is healthy to verify what he says and does. However, we have to trust someone. If Ron Paul's own son can't be trusted by his own supporters then it seems that at least some of the issue is emotional.

Rand is not Ron. He does things different. He plays the game a bit. However, he is the doing more to advance the message of liberty to the masses than anyone on the planet at this time. He may not be doing it the way you would. He may not be doing it the way Ron did, but he will take the message further than Ron did. If libertarians took half of the time they spent on bashing other libertarians and used that time to help and encourage libertarians promoting liberty we might win an election.

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90% of the so-called Rand

90% of the so-called Rand bashing here is exactly that: trust but verify. Rand's article today on Russia was HORRIBLE. I'm not saying we should go full EPJournal haterade on Rand, but lets stick to principle.

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Strawman

"Your Reason for Hating Rand Paul Sucks".

I don't think anyone needs to write an article about this unless they want to emphasize division. Besides everyone knows that if you tell a libertarian to vote for someone, it probably is not going to happen.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Oh...you mean like this

Oh...you mean like this handsome piece of work?

http://www.dailypaul.com/313935/rand-2016-campaign-subway-po...

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There's always pro-gitmo Gary Johnson

See how far that gets them.

Rand on Gitmo 2009

For Immediate Release
November 19, 2009

BOWLING GREEN, KENTUCKY – Leading United States Senate candidate Rand Paul today criticized the Obama administration’s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center and try terrorism suspects in United States Civil Courts.

"Foreign terrorists do not deserve the protections of our Constitution," said Dr. Paul. "These thugs should stand before military tribunals and be kept off American soil. I will always fight to keep Kentucky safe and that starts with cracking down on our enemies."

Some "Libertarians" are full

Some "Libertarians" are full of shit if you ask me. Liberals trying to infiltrate just as they did the GOP.

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Dogma, Doctrine, Opinion

That is the issue for the libertarian crowd. Who is to say what issue is what. An audit of the fed might be doctrine to some, but opinion to others, while a libertarian foreign policy could be doctrine to some but negotiable to others.

It is interesting to me how people are trying to draw a line. Not you DJP, but in general I see people saying you if you don't support his political ventures you must hate him. And then of course there are the people that do actually think low enough of him that they might hate him. But I feel mediocre on him. It's not him I dislike so much as it is the political process. It is ok to give him credit where it is due, but not appreciate the political games that are played, and also to call him out when he does something that deserves to be pointed out as anti liberty.

I think the Rand bashing and hate can be just as fanatical as the Rand worshiping.

And I also think Rand will serve better in the senate.

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― Dr. Seuss

I dont hate boss jr

I dislike Ted Cruz

Good Jawa! I like your

Brilliant Strategy

Must be tough going if beltway Liberty consultants find it necessary to admonish the rest of the Liberty Movement.

Boy that will convince Liberty peeps, tell them their principles Suck, Bravo seriously brilliant strategy. LMAO Must be from the "School of Jesse Benton Campaign Management"

It appears the real brilliant stratigy is the liberty movement

What's so brilliant is it disenfranchises anyone who joined Ron Paul in the GOP. It doesn't care if it bullies, condemns, and refuses to make any compromise, because winning isn't the goal anymore than taking a selfy at the grand canyon has anything to do with the Grand canyon. IOW, the Liberty Movement is like a tide pool, where no one goes anywhere until the tide comes in, and then some will leave the pool for candidates and issues, ("principles" of the movement be damned), becuse the real principle of the movement is to not move.

Don't participate because that's going to show each other that winning ain't everything, not when the meanest are too busy profitting off going nowhere, just rattling on about how bad everything and everyone is, picking victims to celebrate and bashing winners no matter who they are.

Brilliant, really.

I don't think you understand

I don't think you understand the game. Every time you can put three or more insulting adjectives in front of someone's name, or you're the first in a thread to call someone out as scum, you get to tally yourself another point on your personal scorecard. Those people who are out doing whatever it is they do in the GOP, or talking to groups, or assisting other liberty causes or whatever will soon enough take a gander at your scorecard and realize how stupid they have been. They don't have any points! The point totals don't lie. So you might consider rethinking what you're doing and focus a bit more on getting a more respectable point total. It's the only thing you'll have going for you when you die.

Personal score card

Right.. those people who are politically involved have no points according to the ones who refuse to get politically involved.. ok.

Your right, I don't understand. How do you get to take a gander at their personal score card.. and what about the politically active? Do they have personal score cards or do they abandon those when they get politically active?